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MrSquished

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Yeah, about that San Bernardino couple. Ohh, and the NJ people. Ohhh, and about Orlando, and Boston. Sure, 2nd generation, but also patterns in radicalization.

the dude from San Bernardino was American born. Not sure who you mean by NJ people. The Orlando Pulse shooter was American born. The Boston bombers emigrated here before muslim terrorism was a major thing, shortly after 9/11 before many could react but during the Bush administration. There is no immigrant screening lapse that would have failed to capture any of those fuckers.

The fact is that what I quoted, that Trump didn't want 'Unvetted Muslim immigration' is nothing more than a platitude, both candidates wanted the same thing IN THAT REGARD.s Just Trump sounded tougher about it because he talked like a 3rd grader and that sounded fresh to a bunch of morons.
 

LegendKiller

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the dude from San Bernardino was American born. Not sure who you mean by NJ people. The Orlando Pulse shooter was American born. The Boston bombers emigrated here before muslim terrorism was a major thing, shortly after 9/11 before many could react but during the Bush administration. There is no immigrant screening lapse that would have failed to capture any of those fuckers.

The fact is that what I quoted, that Trump didn't want 'Unvetted Muslim immigration' is nothing more than a platitude, both candidates wanted the same thing IN THAT REGARD.s Just Trump sounded tougher about it because he talked like a 3rd grader and that sounded fresh to a bunch of morons.

And what about the wives? What about the multiple trips to the ME? What about the dudes father? What about the somalis in minneapolis? How about the steak knife guy in St. Cloud?

Our own people admitted that they can't vet these people. Nor do libtards want us even surveilling them. So pretty much you guys just want us to be Europe, dumb, deaf, and blind to the risks of unfiltered immigration.

Let me ask you, how many are you housing in your house right this second?
 

senseamp

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Trump doesn't seem to have the consent of a large contingent of the governed, and I don't think he ever will.
It's different than with Bush, where most people may have disagreed with him on issues, or even thought he was an idiot, but generally considered him a decent man, and moved on after the elections.
Not so with Trump. Many people are just not going to move past the bigotry and hate that he brought out.
 

Double Trouble

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Trump doesn't seem to have the consent of a large contingent of the governed, and I don't think he ever will.
It's different than with Bush, where most people may have disagreed with him on issues, or even thought he was an idiot, but generally considered him a decent man, and moved on after the elections.
Not so with Trump. Many people are just not going to move past the bigotry and hate that he brought out.

Does it matter if many people don't move past it? That doesn't matter. I hope he does the right things and that the country goes in the right direction, but there are always going to be those who will be opposed to whoever is in power at the time. That's just how it goes. I'm sure there are plenty of republicans who couldn't get over Obama becoming president, but tough shit, the world goes on whether we like it or not.
 

agent00f

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And what about the wives? What about the multiple trips to the ME? What about the dudes father? What about the somalis in minneapolis? How about the steak knife guy in St. Cloud?

Our own people admitted that they can't vet these people. Nor do libtards want us even surveilling them. So pretty much you guys just want us to be Europe, dumb, deaf, and blind to the risks of unfiltered immigration.

Let me ask you, how many are you housing in your house right this second?

You & friends sure do hate brown people for someone who's not racist.
 

agent00f

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So basically, obummer was wonderful with great ideas you approve of, therefore people on the right calling for his failure was uncalled for. Trump is reprehensible (deplorable? ) in your opinion, and thus protesting, riots and looting etc before he has even taken office are all just mere justified 1st amendment protected "protest". I call BS. You're just imposing your view of who is 'good' or 'bad' to justify behavior. Either it's OK or it's not, it doesn't depend on what you think of the ideas of the candidate.

I found obummer and his minion's ideas just as reprehensible as people think Trump to be, yet I was not out in the street rioting, looting and doing the usual lefty stuff.

Following brexit, the most notable change was somewhere around 50% rise in racially motivated attacks, generally on those "foreigners" their nationalists were busy vilifying during their campaign.

I'd imagine something similar happening in the US given the similar demographics and nature of the vote, except right wing media will spin it as you already instinctly have of uppity minorities attacking the good honest white folk of america.
 

Commodus

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Are you really so inapt at using the internet that you couldn't do the most basic research yourself?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoveOn.org

Contributors to MoveOn.org during the 2004 election cycle included financier George Soros who gave US$1.46 million to MoveOn.org Voter Fund;

So what if the website hosting the article is a bit fishy, you can confirm the facts with a trivial bit of effort.

I know Soros is involved with MoveOn, thanks. I mean the basic premise: that these protests are primarily funded by MoveOn, and that they're "professional protestors" rather than people who simply believed in the cause and showed up. It'd certainly be a bit rich to believe a Russian story that there's a sinister plot when Russia is notorious for conducting its own attempts to manipulate elections... say, hacking the DNC, talking to Trump or working with pro-Russia factions in the Ukraine.

And that site isn't "a bit fishy." It's complete bunk. I would expect greater objectivity on left-wing actions from Fox News.
 

Ackmed

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More riots later night, not going to call them protests. More destruction of property, more arrests. So we've got Trump supporters being assaulted, attacks on people for being white, property destroyed, felonies committed. But I'm sure it's all Trumps fault. Sure seems like they're acting just like Hillary accused Trump supporters of being, deplorable. That being said, idiots on the other side acting a fool too.
 

Puffnstuff

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All Trump can say about the protests is that they aren't fair. This is a prelude to how he thinks. The Constitution is only convenient if it benefits him at the moment, otherwise it's rigged/unfair/irrelevant or whatever term you wish to use to justify ignoring it. I cannot believe that the religious right stood behind this guy who blatantly defies everything that they are supposed to hold dear. They are gigantic hypocrites for it and should go crawl back under their rocks and coddle with their gun collections.
 

NostaSeronx

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Sure seems like they're acting just like Hillary accused Trump supporters of being, deplorable.
Only half of them.

In context;
"In too many places still, LGBT Americans are singled out for harassment and violence. You can get married on Saturday, post your pictures on Sunday and get fired on Monday. That's why we've got to continue the forward march of progress."

"And we cannot do it alone. I cannot do it alone. I'm not like Donald Trump, who says, 'I alone can fix it.' I've never quite figured out what it is he alone can fix. But that's not what you'll hear from me. I think we have to do this together. So, together we're gonna pass the Equality Act to guarantee full equality. We're going to put comprehensive quality affordable healthcare within reach for more people, including for mental health and addiction. We're going to take on youth homelessness, and as my wonderful, extraordinary, great daughter said, we are going to end the cruel and dangerous practice of conversion therapy. We're going to keep working toward an AIDS-free generation, a goal that I set as secretary of state, and with your help we're going to pass comprehensive gun laws. ..."

"I know there are only 60 days left to make our case -- and don't get complacent, don't see the latest outrageous, offensive, inappropriate comment and think, well, he's done this time. We are living in a volatile political environment. You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic -- you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people -- now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks -- they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America."

"But the other basket -- and I know this because I see friends from all over America here -- I see friends from Florida and Georgia and South Carolina and Texas -- as well as, you know, New York and California -- but that other basket of people are people who feel that the government has let them down, the economy has let them down, nobody cares about them, nobody worries about what happens to their lives and their futures, and they're just desperate for change. It doesn't really even matter where it comes from. They don't buy everything he says, but he seems to hold out some hope that their lives will be different. They won't wake up and see their jobs disappear, lose a kid to heroin, feel like they're in a dead-end. Those are people we have to understand and empathize with as well."

The next day;
"Last night I was ‘grossly generalistic,’ and that's never a good idea. I regret saying ‘half’ -- that was wrong. But let's be clear, what's really ‘deplorable’ is that Donald Trump hired a major advocate for the so-called ‘alt-right’ movement to run his campaign and that David Duke and other white supremacists see him as a champion of their values. It's deplorable that Trump has built his campaign largely on prejudice and paranoia and given a national platform to hateful views and voices, including by retweeting fringe bigots with a few dozen followers and spreading their message to 11 million people. It's deplorable that he's attacked a federal judge for his ‘Mexican heritage,’ bullied a Gold Star family because of their Muslim faith, and promoted the lie that our first black president is not a true American. So I won't stop calling out bigotry and racist rhetoric in this campaign. I also meant what I said last night about empathy, and the very real challenges we face as a country where so many people have been left out and left behind. As I said, many of Trump's supporters are hard-working Americans who just don’t feel like the economy or our political system are working for them. I'm determined to bring our country together and make our economy work for everyone, not just those at the top. Because we really are ‘stronger together.’ "
 

boomerang

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All Trump can say about the protests is that they aren't fair. This is a prelude to how he thinks. The Constitution is only convenient if it benefits him at the moment, otherwise it's rigged/unfair/irrelevant or whatever term you wish to use to justify ignoring it. I cannot believe that the religious right stood behind this guy who blatantly defies everything that they are supposed to hold dear. They are gigantic hypocrites for it and should go crawl back under their rocks and coddle with their gun collections.
Which stage do you feel you're in?

The 5 stages of grief and loss are: 1. Denial and isolation; 2. Anger; 3. Bargaining; 4. Depression; 5. Acceptance.
 
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1prophet

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You & friends sure do hate brown people for someone who's not racist.

And you sure are a deluded pretend liberal just as dumb if not more so than the idiots that believed Obama inherited a "Muslim gene" from his father making him a Muslim, religion is a belief not a race and there are plenty of lily white Muslims out there,

it's amazing that you great pretenders have no problem criticizing the religious right of the west but have no problem wanting to bring in the religious right of the middle east en mass whose well funded religion is incompatible with gay rights, women's rights. free speech and all the other hard fought freedoms that the west had to fight for against its own religious zealots in order to have the very freedoms you take for granted today.
 
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agent00f

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And you sure are a deluded pretend liberal just as dumb if not more so than the idiots that believed Obama inherited a "Muslim gene" from his father making him a Muslim, religion is a belief not a race and there are plenty of lily white Muslims out there,

it's amazing that you great pretenders have no problem criticizing the religious right of the west but have no problem wanting to bring in the religious right of the middle east en mass whose well funded religion is incompatible with gay rights, women's rights. free speech and all the other hard fought freedoms that the west had to fight for against its own religious zealots in order to have the very freedoms you take for granted today.

"It's not racist to call obama a kenyan muslim because muslim is not a race even though we dumbshits sure use it like one"
 

fskimospy

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"It's not racist to call obama a kenyan muslim because muslim is not a race even though we dumbshits sure use it like one"

It's amazing to me how people think that's a good argument. I've seen other people say that Trump wasn't being racist against the judge in the Trump University case because being Mexican is a nationality and not a race.

It's like they think saying and doing all the same shitty, irrational things is okay because they are dodged the magic race designation.
 

boomerang

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More riots later night, not going to call them protests. More destruction of property, more arrests. So we've got Trump supporters being assaulted, attacks on people for being white, property destroyed, felonies committed. But I'm sure it's all Trumps fault. Sure seems like they're acting just like Hillary accused Trump supporters of being, deplorable. That being said, idiots on the other side acting a fool too.
I'm wondering if a point will be reached that will prompt Obama to publicly denounce these actions. Is he condoning them by not speaking out? I would say yes.
 
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NostaSeronx

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That isn't politically correct or accurate what so ever;
Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii which has been a state since 1907. He originated from an American citizen's womb who was born in Wichita, Kansas. His belief is a standard American trope: Protestant Christian. It is literally, the christian faith majority in America being 46.5% of the citizenship being protestant.

The whole father thing does not fly in the good ole United States of America;
U.S. adults are far more likely to say mothers rather than fathers took primary responsibility for their religious upbringing, wives are seen as somewhat more religious than husbands. While most married people say they and their spouse are about equally religious, those who say one partner is more religious than the other mostly say it is the wife – not the husband – who is most religious in their marriage. <-- Pew

It’s not just that mom does most of the family’s religious labor. She also gets results. As adults, people raised in interfaith families are more likely to adopt their mother’s religion than their father’s; almost half of those adults now identify with their mother’s religion, while 28 percent identify with their father’s, and the rest with neither. Among those who say their mother was primarily responsible for their religious upbringing within an interfaith family, even more (59 percent) say they now identify with their mother’s religion. <-- Article

In an interview, Barack Obama referred to his mother as "the dominant figure in my formative years ... The values she taught me continue to be my touchstone when it comes to how I go about the world of politics." <-- Obama
So, validated right now. Also, muslims are very diverse just as Christian faiths.



So, when you say a broad stroke of Muslims... Not all Islamic religions are like the others. Which is what basically caused the Iraqi conflict that started up in the early 1900s. That would eventually spiral out of control into involving western powers. Lack of understanding of groups, lead to uneducated finger guessing; "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe." If all else fails, blanket blame the whole religion.

By the time Obama Sr. met Obama's mother:
Obama (Sr.) later became an atheist, believing that religion was mere superstition.
Whoa, Muslim gene!
 
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Starbuck1975

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For those who bet on Portland as the first city to lose control, come and claim your prize

Oakland I am disappoint
 

FerrelGeek

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Only time will tell what Trump the president does vs Trump the candidate. We are living the Chinese curse, my good man - interesting times.

But I think you are like many who really don't get the hearts and minds of the people who voted for Trump. Yes, there are some small-minded bigots in there, but many voted for him as the only option to give the political elites on the left the middle finger. Based on some of the polls I've seen (well, as if any of the polls are worth jack sh*t now) ~70% of the people questioned don't think our country is headed in the right direction. People voted for Trump, not out of a love for the guy, but as a desperate measure that there was a chance to slow things down as to where they see things going: greater .gov control, no future for their kids, an unworkable open borders policy, a sham of a health-care system, increased division in society. I can also tell you that there are many who voted for Trump that are some of the kindest non racist people you'd ever want to meet. Hillary represented everything they hated about where they perceived the country heading. Many believed that they genuinely had no alternative but to vote for him, knowing full well his flaws.

A very nice reply to my post, btw. Thank you.

They don't like the man himself. I'm sure you'd agree that Trump is pretty much a rich, privileged spoiled brat himself, wouldn't you? I personally wouldn't want that kind of guy as president, although I must admit that as a snake oil salesman he's the best there ever was. I mean, he literally scammed his way into the presidency. These folks who are protesting can see that plain as day. Who he is as a person didn't win him the presidency, his skill as Scammer in Chief did, and I really don't think those folks who voted for him are going to hold him to his word about anything and everything he ran on. What he will do is take care of himself and the class of society he got brought up in first, and like the true trickle down jerb creator he is, he's going to, mark my words, keep that philosophy intact and rolling.

I certainly hold the DNC responsible for not giving Trump his due as the epic con man he is. I mean, I was just as surprised as anyone else that he won, and I'll bet the most surprised person on the face of this increasingly insane nation of ours is Trump himself, right?
 
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fskimospy

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Even a cursory look at floated cabinet picks so far shows pretty obviously that the 'sticking it to the elites' thing was yet another lie.
 

Svnla

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You & friends sure do hate brown people for someone who's not racist.

Well, look here who is talking now. Mr. "ALL white folks are murderous". Hate for one group = hate for any other group. Hate is hate. No excuse.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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All Trump can say about the protests is that they aren't fair. This is a prelude to how he thinks. The Constitution is only convenient if it benefits him at the moment, otherwise it's rigged/unfair/irrelevant or whatever term you wish to use to justify ignoring it. I cannot believe that the religious right stood behind this guy who blatantly defies everything that they are supposed to hold dear. They are gigantic hypocrites for it and should go crawl back under their rocks and coddle with their gun collections.

The Constitution has been treated by all parties like this.

But Trump aside this has nothing to do with Constitutional rights.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/

That isn't going to help his opposition. Folks need to protest lawfully.
 

momeNt

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Even a cursory look at floated cabinet picks so far shows pretty obviously that the 'sticking it to the elites' thing was yet another lie.

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That's the liberal media echo chamber you're in!

Obviously I'm more than willing to be proven wrong, but I'll believe the media has their finger on the pulse when I see it. Can't trust them now when floated cabinet picks are likely just floated out there to just cause more discontent.
 
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