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LegendKiller

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Again, who cares? That CA, which is pretty much Mexico, voted overwhelmingly against Trump is not a surprise. Fuck them.

eVerify, expand ICE, deploy 50,000 troops on the border, tax all remittances going to Mexico by 20%, cut all federal funding to police in sanctuary cities and cut off all student loans to schools funding illegals and deport any criminal caught. This will end quickly. CA will probably turn red within a year or two.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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It would be nice if Obama or Clinton stepped forward and explained to the protestors how elections work. Great opportunity for a Sanders protege to step forward and demonstrate some real leadership in channeling this emotion into something productive for the midterms and beyond.

Obama at least did and I recall so did Sanders, and for good reason, at least personally. The mark of a skilled politician is to fight the practical battles, with the right public facing position. Privately I'm pretty sure they agree this is some bullshit and would be in the streets if not for their positions. But there's no tangible personal benefit from doing so, and looking "presidential" is certainly advantageous at least for obama's legacy.
 

agent00f

Lifer
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Again, who cares? That CA, which is pretty much Mexico, voted overwhelmingly against Trump is not a surprise. Fuck them.

I now agree with this general sentiment. The democrats if they were smart and practical should take the same attitude towards the red areas. The best way to do so is cut back military spending, aka red state welfare, much as possible. Loss of weapons factories/bases/employer of last resort would devastate much of the republican base. There are also many other less obvious aspects like automating trucking, which would devastate many small flyover towns. Similarly, electrification/modernization or whatever is necessary to ruin domestic auto will put the rust belt in its place.

The democrats have tried the carrot approach, and lost at the game theory of realpolitik. It's time for the stick, and some scars deep enough to learn a lesson from.
 
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Ackmed

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More riots, more destruction of property, more attacks on people. Two arrested for attempted murder at a "protest" (aka riot). I haven't seen Obama or Hillary plead for peace, unless I missed it? What I have read, was Hillary telling her supporters to "keep fighting". Not denouncing the violence and saying something that sure can be construed as keep doing what they're doing, violent riots. Pretty pathetic that these protesters think this is how people will listen to them, to throw a tantrum and incite violence. I understand that the violent type are the small percentage overall of protesters, however the acts of a few always outweigh the many in cases like this.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
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I now agree with this general sentiment. The democrats if they were smart and practical should take the same attitude towards the red areas. The best way to do so is cut back military spending, aka red state welfare, much as possible. Loss of weapons factories/bases/employer of last resort would devastate much of the republican base. There are also many other less obvious aspects like automating trucking, which would devastate many small flyover towns. Similarly, electrification/modernization or whatever is necessary to ruin domestic auto will put the rust belt in its place.

The democrats have tried the carrot approach, and lost at the game theory of realpolitik. It's time for the stick, and some scars deep enough to learn a lesson from.

Yeah, choosing illegals over Americans. Great job!
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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More riots, more destruction of property, more attacks on people. Two arrested for attempted murder at a "protest" (aka riot). I haven't seen Obama or Hillary plead for peace, unless I missed it? What I have read, was Hillary telling her supporters to "keep fighting". Not denouncing the violence and saying something that sure can be construed as keep doing what they're doing, violent riots. Pretty pathetic that these protesters think this is how people will listen to them, to throw a tantrum and incite violence. I understand that the violent type are the small percentage overall of protesters, however the acts of a few always outweigh the many in cases like this.

Why would he? It's his people doing it. It's his people funding it. I hope they keep it up, it further alienates the left from the middle, much like this utterly moronic plan to skew the DNC further to the left. Idiots.
 

fskimospy

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Why would he? It's his people doing it. It's his people funding it. I hope they keep it up, it further alienates the left from the middle, much like this utterly moronic plan to skew the DNC further to the left. Idiots.

To be clear you believe the president or 'his people' are inciting and funding violence against Donald Trump?

 

Blue_Max

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There's the "tolerant" progressives, protesting the evil rape raping raper Trump... by threatening to rape his wife, the First Lady.

Aren't you a *wonderful* bunch of people, ironically claiming to be the good (even Godly) ones!
 

fskimospy

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Dude, why should we believe you at all? You're wrong about *EVERYTHING*. You have no ability to analyze reality. GFY.

Believe what? I asked you a simple question, is that what you're saying? Should be easy to answer.

Oh and I guess 'everything' doesn't encompass interest rate predictions, huh. Isn't that part of your job too? Lol.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
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Believe what? I asked you a simple question, is that what you're saying? Should be easy to answer.

Oh and I guess 'everything' doesn't encompass interest rate predictions, huh. Isn't that part of your job too? Lol.

I've been right about them completely. QE has kept them down. Always will.

But hey, what'd 538 say?
 

fskimospy

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I've been right about them completely. QE has kept them down. Always will.

But hey, what'd 538 say?

So now you're doing the thing where even though your prediction was demonstrably wrong you're going to declare that you were right anyway? That's pathetic. I was adult enough to admit that my prediction was wrong but apparently you still have some growing up to do.

All that aside you claimed Obama or 'his people' are funding violence against Donald Trump. This is an extraordinary claim that if true would likely constitute criminal activity by the sitting president. Surely you have literally any evidence for this whatsoever, right?
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
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So now you're doing the thing where even though your prediction was demonstrably wrong you're going to declare that you were right anyway? That's pathetic. I was adult enough to admit that my prediction was wrong but apparently you still have some growing up to do.

All that aside you claimed Obama or 'his people' are funding violence against Donald Trump. This is an extraordinary claim that if true would likely constitute criminal activity by the sitting president. Surely you have literally any evidence for this whatsoever, right?

I said all along that QE/monetary flows is keeping yields down. This is 100% provable by negative yields across the globe in QE heavy areas and funds chasing yields in areas where there is no QE. Ask any fixed income fund manager whether they see this, every single one will tell you they do. Go ahead, ask Gross, Gundlach, Fink, Black, anybody.

You weren't just wrong, you were horribly wrong. What I said all along, happened, and you are fucking wrong again. You're an arrogant putrid pile of shit. And instead of learning from it, you double down. Sad.
 

TeeJay1952

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People take everything to extremes. The most benign and helpful thought gets obsessed about, then twisted for a couple agendas, until you cannot recognize the former in the later.

I wanted to coach Little League when my kids were young. I thought I had an obligation to contribute to not only my kids but all kids integration into society. Learn to have goals, group effort towards a goal, how to win and lose. Especially lose because there is ALWAYS a loser in competition. It is not shameful. It shows us our weak points and how to improve. Some folks looked at it as a chance for nepotism or Power within the group dynamics. Committees of various sorts becond. Local, Area, Statewide, Nationals, World Series. It becomes the cloud that blocks out the sun. just wanted to play some ball.

Ain't just LL. Unions, Town Council, School Boards, Churches, Scouts and Bowling Leagues all suffer the same common element and failing.
Humans. We all want to belong and we all think we know better than the next guy.
Don't want to wait till I am being lead to the Gas Chamber
Don't want to have a Revolution because of Hurt Feelings
 

fskimospy

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I said all along that QE/monetary flows is keeping yields down. This is 100% provable by negative yields across the globe in QE heavy areas and funds chasing yields in areas where there is no QE. Ask any fixed income fund manager whether they see this, every single one will tell you they do. Go ahead, ask Gross, Gundlach, Fink, Black, anybody.

I've got a better idea, let's look at the actual effects of his positions on QE if Gross knows what he's talking about. Oh yeah, he made the same dumb prediction you did and lost billions. I'm sure THIS TIME he's totally right though.

These are also the same people who talk about 'artificially low' interest rates as if that's anything but babbling nonsense.

You weren't just wrong, you were horribly wrong. What I said all along, happened, and you are fucking wrong again. You're an arrogant putrid pile of shit.

Funny, considering my prediction that rates would stay low was right and your prediction that they would rise 70 or 80 points by years end was wrong. Anyone who was 'horribly wrong' like me could have made a lot of money off of the 'completely right' people like you. This must be some new definition of wrong I've never heard before but frankly it sounds pretty fantastic. The sad thing for you is that at least when Gross made his bet there wasn't so much evidence staring him in the face. He could at least claim ignorance instead of stupidity.

Back to the topic though, can you provide details on the funding for these people from Obama?
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
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I've got a better idea, let's look at the actual effects of his positions on QE if Gross knows what he's talking about. Oh yeah, he made the same dumb prediction you did and lost billions. I'm sure THIS TIME he's totally right though.

These are also the same people who talk about 'artificially low' interest rates as if that's anything but babbling nonsense.



Funny, considering my prediction that rates would stay low was right and your prediction that they would rise 70 or 80 points by years end was wrong. Anyone who was 'horribly wrong' like me could have made a lot of money off of the 'completely right' people like you. This must be some new definition of wrong I've never heard before but frankly it sounds pretty fantastic. The sad thing for you is that at least when Gross made his bet there wasn't so much evidence staring him in the face. He could at least claim ignorance instead of stupidity.

Back to the topic though, can you provide details on the funding for these people from Obama?
So I am not (okay, I am) going to pull the same shit on you.

HOW THE FOCK COULD YOU SAY 80PTS, YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT INTEREST RATES.

And btw, link to where I said that rates would increase by 70-80 *BASIS* points without caveats around qe?
 

fskimospy

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So I am not (okay, I am) going to pull the same shit on you.

HOW THE FOCK COULD YOU SAY 80PTS, YOU OBVIOUSLY DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT INTEREST RATES.

And btw, link to where I said that rates would increase by 70-80 *BASIS* points without caveats around qe?

This is pathetic and your childish inability to admit you were wrong is embarrassing. You're an adult, supposedly. Start acting like one.

For the third time now though, any sources on the Obama financing for these protests? You've made an accusation of a serious crime, after all.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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This is pathetic and your childish inability to admit you were wrong is embarrassing. You're an adult, supposedly. Start acting like one.

For the third time now though, any sources on the Obama financing for these protests? You've made an accusation of a serious crime, after all.
Ohh, well, when you say something "demonstrably" incorrect it's unfair for me to play "gotcha" like you do to me? Fock off dude, your righteous indignation has no moral high ground. You don't that shit constantly.

You obviously know nothing about bonds. There isn't a single bond savvy person who would ever make that mistake. So just shut the fock up.


Ohh, and link????????
 

fskimospy

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Ohh, well, when you say something "demonstrably" incorrect it's unfair for me to play "gotcha" like you do to me? Fock off dude, your righteous indignation has no moral high ground. You don't that shit constantly.

I'm on my phone and I'm not searching through your posts right now but you know what you said as well as I do. Is your ego really so fragile that you can't admit making a wrong call?

You obviously know nothing about bonds. There isn't a single bond savvy person who would ever make that mistake. So just shut the fock up.

Ohh, and link????????

Lol. Pathetic. Your errors with statistics were not the words, it's that you were saying things which were incoherent.
 

fskimospy

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Again though, for the fourth time, can you provide evidence for your claim? You seem desperate to avoid doing this.
 

FelixDeCat

Lifer
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If you know one of these people who are rioting, could you please tell them to chill out?
 
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LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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I'm on my phone and I'm not searching through your posts right now but you know what you said as well as I do. Is your ego really so fragile that you can't admit making a wrong call?



Lol. Pathetic. Your errors with statistics were not the words, it's that you were saying things which were incoherent.
I never said they would increase in a vacuum.

But hey, enjoy your 8,000bps increase.

Chump.
 

LegendKiller

Lifer
Mar 5, 2001
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Again though, for the fourth time, can you provide evidence for your claim? You seem desperate to avoid doing this.
Which claim? That every money manager knows qe is suppressing interest rates? Google it. Why don't you do your own research for once and learn something new.
 
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