Protests in Gaza

[s0me0nesmind1]

It explains a lot that you are fearful of a of a collection of stories from thousands of years ago. Did it ever occur to you that it is not the act of reading the book that makes these people act the ways they do? You don't think it might have something to do with over 100 years of european colonialism and american imperialism stuffed down their throats?


Oh but wait, it was always like that, right? You were there. You know.


Religion is everywhere. I live in a liberal bastion in southern california and less than 100 yards from my front door is a church steeple. If you are afraid of religious people I advise you to move to antarctica because you are basically surrounded where you are, no matter where that is.

Let me make a simple clarification for you - one that you're obviously missing much like CMG.

I'm not afraid of a book. I'm afraid of how manipulative the human species is. Throughout my life of seeing incompetent fools doing actions that are outside the realm of a rational human. The fact is that the concept of religion (much like a cult) can essentially extract the rational thought and replace it with irrational thought. That could be everything from something as stupid and insignificant as giving your money to a church (God needs help, the one thing he can't master is MONEY! [George Carlin]) to getting your family 6 to do suicide bombs in the name of religion. There is a wide scope - and regardless of which case it is, there is about 10% that is healthy for the human species (e.g. community service) and 90% that is harmful.

If you don't understand the fallacies and overall decrease in mental cognitive ability that religion brings upon humans - then you just are incapable of seeing the obvious.

 

[FIVR]

Let me make a simple clarification for you - one that you're obviously missing much like CMG.

I'm not afraid of a book. I'm afraid of how manipulative the human species is. Throughout my life of seeing incompetent fools doing actions that are outside the realm of a rational human. The fact is that the concept of religion (much like a cult) can essentially extract the rational thought and replace it with irrational thought. That could be everything from something as stupid and insignificant as giving your money to a church (God needs help, the one thing he can't master is MONEY! [George Carlin]) to getting your family 6 to do suicide bombs in the name of religion. There is a wide scope - and regardless of which case it is, there is about 10% that is healthy for the human species (e.g. community service) and 90% that is harmful.

If you don't understand the fallacies and overall decrease in mental cognitive ability that religion brings upon humans - then you just are incapable of seeing the obvious.

The LTTE actually invented suicide bombing, and had families who did it. They were completely non-religious.

People can do terrible things for all sorts of reasons. Religion was a huge part of people's lives for millennia (and still is) and thus it will often be cited as a motivation, but you cannot outright blame religion itself for all the ills of mankind. All religions are not the same, and all non-religious people are not somehow morally superior or less susceptible to acting out in brutal ways.


Arguably, the most brutal actors in the current world are completely secular. The US military, a non-religious institution, killed millions over the last 50 years. Yet we regard them as "heroes".

Your perspective is skewed due to your own dislike for religious people or you are simply being intellectually dishonest.

 

[zinfamous]

Everyone on Earth. And if it wasn't over this it would be over something else. If you drop a cup of tea in that part of the world some group of religious whack jobs are going to take it as an affront and use it as a justification to attack another group of religious whack jobs that they were going to attack anyway. The mistake is not in building an embassy, it's in the foolishly naive belief that building an embassy has fuck-all to do with anything that happens there. It's been happening for thousands of years before embassies existed.

Oh wow. I feel dumb. I thought that this was the first time ever that violence ever happened here and had no idea that these people were very religious!

Thank you very much for educating me, Mr zero-to-trigger-in-1-post Gaghalfrunt, and also Mr Some0onesmind. I feel so much smarterer now with your educations!

 

[tamz_msc]

The LTTE actually invented suicide bombing, and had families who did it. They were completely non-religious.

Uh, the first suicide bomber was a Iranian teenager who went under an Iraqi tank with a grenade in hand during the Iran-Iraq War in 1981. The real large-scale directed suicide attack was probably the 1983 bombing of the USMC barracks in Beirut, also by Shiite jihadists. The division of the LTTE which was tasked with carrying out suicide attacks only made their first move in 1987.

The LTTE are credited with inventing the suicide belt though, according to the FBI.

 

[zerocool84]

Michelle Kosinski (@MichLKosinski) Tweeted:
When we asked SecState Pompeo if he had anything to say --anything-- on the violence in Israel right now... he turned his back, and walked away. https://twitter.com/MichLKosinski/status/996089353549082624?s=17

 

[Darwin333]

I wonder how many of the proud ~60 million Trump voters will volunteer their lives to protect the brave Israelis from the rock-lobbing Palestinians at their gates? Come on guys: Jesus ain't' a'coming until the heads really start piling up.

Man, 100% promise you that the evangelical population in this country is holding prayer circles all over, praying for more and more blood, 100s of beautiful little babies killed, such that Lord Jesus can descend and wipe out the rest of the heathens, then fly over to the US (of course only the US) and claim their heaven-bound souls, as they truly believe he has promised.

As much as I hate to say it, a fuckload of them would love to volunteer if they could since they'd have machine guns versus guys throwing rocks. Now if it was guys with RPGs and machine guns we would see 1/20th of the volunteers if not less, hunting isn't nearly as fun for most of the macho assholes when they are being hunted as well.

 

[Darwin333]

Let me make a simple clarification for you - one that you're obviously missing much like CMG.

I'm not afraid of a book. I'm afraid of how manipulative the human species is. Throughout my life of seeing incompetent fools doing actions that are outside the realm of a rational human. The fact is that the concept of religion (much like a cult) can essentially extract the rational thought and replace it with irrational thought. That could be everything from something as stupid and insignificant as giving your money to a church (God needs help, the one thing he can't master is MONEY! [George Carlin]) to getting your family 6 to do suicide bombs in the name of religion. There is a wide scope - and regardless of which case it is, there is about 10% that is healthy for the human species (e.g. community service) and 90% that is harmful.

If you don't understand the fallacies and overall decrease in mental cognitive ability that religion brings upon humans - then you just are incapable of seeing the obvious.

So you are against the Jews as much as the Muslims then and basically wish the entire area to blow up and be cleansed of all the religious folk?

 

[blankslate]

Trump is Netanyahu's pet...

Obama was treated in a racist manner by Netanyahu because he didn't become a lapdog like Trump did.

Remember that Netanyahu went to the U.S. Congress and told them that invading Iraq would spread democracy throughout the region.

Netanyahu was getting investigated for corruption by Israeli officials recently... now we have a convenient distraction from that for him.


_____________

 

[FIVR]

Uh, the first suicide bomber was a Iranian teenager who went under an Iraqi tank with a grenade in hand during the Iran-Iraq War in 1981. The real large-scale directed suicide attack was probably the 1983 bombing of the USMC barracks in Beirut, also by Shiite jihadists. The division of the LTTE which was tasked with carrying out suicide attacks only made their first move in 1987.

The LTTE are credited with inventing the suicide belt though, according to the FBI.

The LTTE was doing suicide bombing is the 70s. Your hatred for iranians doesn't make them time travelers.



Also, jumping under a tank during a war isn't a "suicide bombing" lmao

 

[HomerJS]

A lot of people here don't realize kissing Bibi's ass isn't good Middle East policy.

Isn't it ironic the right's most inept President of all time brokered the longest peace between two Middle East countries?

Think President Dummy would have saved moving the US embassy as part of a larger Middle East peace deal?

 

[Ventanni]

A lot of people here don't realize kissing Bibi's ass isn't good Middle East policy.

Isn't it ironic the right's most inept President of all time brokered the longest peace between two Middle East countries?

Think President Dummy would have saved moving the US embassy as part of a larger Middle East peace deal?

Strictly speaking from a geopolitical standpoint, and not personal opinion, supporting Israel has been very good for the current Middle Eastern policy. Israel is the one bastion in the Middle East that can stand toe-to-toe with regional powers like Iran, Syria, Lebanon, and parts of Iraq. Basically everyone, you know, who is enemies of Saudi Arabia.

Here's the thing. It's all about the oil and money, sadly. Iran needs stability in Syria, Lebanon, etc in order to use the existing pipelines that go through those countries. Without stability, it has to pump its oil through Turkish and Saudi oil pipelines to get to the EU. With that knowledge, you can see why Turkey, Saudi Arabia, etc weren't interested in Syrian peace all this time, and why Lebanon and Iran have been fighting to prevent Syrian collapse. Recently, too, the Saudi Crown Prince acknowledged Israel as a legitimate government. That was a very prominent political move, as he needs to do this in order to gain support from western investors for his new Project NEOM.

It's all about oil, it's all about money, and it's all about powerful rulers doing things to keep themselves in power.

 

[tamz_msc]

The LTTE was doing suicide bombing is the 70s. Your hatred for iranians doesn't make them time travelers.



Also, jumping under a tank during a war isn't a "suicide bombing" lmao

Deliberately ignoring facts doesn't make your posturing stance on suicide bombing correct either. The first suicide bombing carried out by the LTTE was in 1987, four years after the Beirut bombings.

 

[pauldun170]

Read
Tamil tigers
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104391493
Interesting discussion

The LTTE is very interesting from a targeting perspective. We tend to conceptualize suicide terrorism as being about attacking civilians. While Hezbollah did not necessarily focus on attacking civilians, groups like Hamas or Al Qaeda (and affiliates) have caused the association of suicide bombings with civilian targeting. Alternatively, the LTTE, especially at the outset, conceptualized suicide attacks very differently. They used suicide bombing more as a substitute for military operations they could not complete with conventional means, making them asymmetric but closer to the traditional military sense of the term. The Tamils thought about suicide bombing more for hard targets and assassinations, not necessarily targeting civilians, though civilians often died in their attacks.
https://www.fpri.org/article/2008/08/the-history-and-future-of-suicide-terrorism/

What they cover in non-STEM courses at college that many of you think are useless
http://origins.osu.edu/article/human-use-human-beings-brief-history-suicide-bombing

Almost by accident, Russian terrorist Ignaty Grinevitsky found that one effective way to use a dynamite bomb was to couple it to a human trigger.

Grinevitsky was a member of the People’s Will, a terrorist organization committed to murdering Alexander II, leader of Imperial Russia. The People’s Will tried on numerous occasions to kill Alexander using dynamite bombs between 1879 and early 1881. All of these attempts failed, so by the time Grinevitsky was called upon to participate in a plot to kill Alexander, both he and the organization were desperate.

Grinevitsky and another bomber planned to ambush Alexander using small, hand-thrown bombs with a lethal area of about one meter in diameter. The first man threw his bomb from a short distance away, damaging Alexander’s carriage and forcing it to stop. He was immediately arrested.

Inexplicably, Alexander remained in the area, allowing Grinevitsky to get very close to him and throw the small bomb he had been carrying against the ground, causing it to detonate and kill both men.

Discussion from NPR

Mr. PAPE: The very first suicide attacks are the Jewish zealots in Zakari(ph) in the first century AD. The Jewish zealots sought to foment a rebellion against Roman occupation by often walking up to a Roman soldier in a square and pulling out a knife and killing the soldier, often cutting his throat, knowing that there were other Roman soldiers standing right by that would immediately execute or kill the zealot.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4760240

Mr. PAPE: Suicide terrorism began in Lebanon in the early 1980s as a response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon. The Hezbollah appears to have simply experimented with a handful of suicide attacks. Their fourth suicide attack was the famous suicide truck bombing against the Marine barracks in Beirut that killed 241 Marines. Well, that attack was not only spectacular in the number of deaths it produced, but it was also spectacular in the political results it produced. That attack caused Ronald Reagan, no pacifist, to withdraw all American forces from Lebanon and to virtually abandon the country politically and economically. That attack stands as a lesson in Hezbollah's history. It's repeated by Hamas, by al-Qaeda, as the prime instance that demonstrates suicide terrorism pays.

 

[FIVR]

Deliberately ignoring facts doesn't make your posturing stance on suicide bombing correct either. The first suicide bombing carried out by the LTTE was in 1987, four years after the Beirut bombings.

As pointed out by pauldun170 you don't know wtf you're talking about.


Good work shilling for Israel tho. You did a great job of that in your post. "IRAN BAD!"

 

[tamz_msc]

As pointed out by pauldun170 you don't know wtf you're talking about.


Good work shilling for Israel tho. You did a great job of that in your post. "IRAN BAD!"

How does pauldun170's post contradict my statement that the LTTE weren't the first to carry out suicide attacks, if we only restrict our examples to recent history? Pointing out facts means that I'm shilling for Israel - you Americans are such wankers.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

As pointed out by pauldun170 you don't know wtf you're talking about.


Good work shilling for Israel tho. You did a great job of that in your post. "IRAN BAD!"

How does pauldun170's post contradict my statement that the LTTE weren't the first to carry out suicide attacks, if we only restrict our examples to recent history? Pointing out facts means that I'm shilling for Israel - you Americans are such wankers.

I'm fairly sure both of you are in agreement with each other, that LTTE weren't the first to carry out suicide attacks (with explosives or otherwise).

 

[FIVR]

How does pauldun170's post contradict my statement that the LTTE weren't the first to carry out suicide attacks, if we only restrict our examples to recent history? Pointing out facts means that I'm shilling for Israel - you Americans are such wankers.

You stated that Iran was the first and gave an example of something other than a suicide bombing in your effort to shill for Israel/US DoD


Did you even read Pauldun's post? It says the LTTE were the first to conceptually use suicide bombings for military purposes. That is exactly what ISIS does now. They also invented the suicide belt (which you admitted). They were also the only ones to successfully assassinate 2 heads of state.

And again, totally non-religious. Your anti-iranain and anti-shia argument was that only "shia jihadists" invented suicide bombings (stupid on its face if you know any history).

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder what the US response would have been if Iran had shot 50 protesters and wounded 2,000 more.

Probably the same, right?

 

[K1052]

I wonder what the US response would have been if Iran had shot 50 protesters and wounded 2,000 more.

Probably the same, right?

Our outrage has historically been very selective. Like why Cuba is evil for opressing it's people and we shouldn't do biz with them while we can not contain our excitement about dealings with other, even more horrible, regimes like the Saudis.

 

[Darwin333]

Our outrage has historically been very selective. Like why Cuba is evil for opressing it's people and we shouldn't do biz with them while we can not contain our excitement about dealings with other, even more horrible, regimes like the Saudis.

Sad but very true.

If Iran killed 100 civilians it would be around the clock news and we would be outraged as fuck. Thousands or even tens of thousands of innocent civilians, mostly women and children, getting killed in the most horrific ways imaginable in some African country and most Americans won't even hear about it and it would barely register on our outrage-O-meter.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I wonder what the US response would have been if Iran had shot 50 protesters and wounded 2,000 more.

Probably the same, right?

Obviously not, as Iran is not an ally, although even alliances can sometimes be contradictory.

 

[hal2kilo]

Our outrage has historically been very selective. Like why Cuba is evil for opressing it's people and we shouldn't do biz with them while we can not contain our excitement about dealings with other, even more horrible, regimes like the Saudis.

Easy, sugar, bananas, and mangos do not equal oil.

 

[fskimospy]

Obviously not, as Iran is not an ally, although even alliances can sometimes be contradictory.

While I get that alliances change the calculation somewhat I still find it unlikely that any previous US administration would have outright supported gunning down protesters in this manner.

 

[tamz_msc]

You stated that Iran was the first and gave an example of something other than a suicide bombing in your effort to shill for Israel/US DoD


Did you even read Pauldun's post? It says the LTTE were the first to conceptually use suicide bombings for military purposes. That is exactly what ISIS does now. They also invented the suicide belt (which you admitted). They were also the only ones to successfully assassinate 2 heads of state.

And again, totally non-religious. Your anti-iranain and anti-shia argument was that only "shia jihadists" invented suicide bombings (stupid on its face if you know any history).

All suicide bombings are ultimately a tool that is intended to serve a greater political purpose. In case of the Hezbollah attack on the USMC, they were carrying out the attacks with backing of Iran and Syria who wanted the US out of the middle-east. In case of the LTTE, whose first suicide attack was on a Sri Lankan army camp, the ultimate aim was the establishment of an independent Tamil state. There is no debate on the chronology of these two incidents, and since your original claim was that the LTTE was the first to "invent" suicide bombings, I only stepped in to correct your factual error. Then for some reason you gave my stance an anti-religion, pro-Israel and anti-Iran spin since those were the factors involved in the first suicide attacks.

You don't have to lecture me on the history of the LTTE, I'm a citizen of one the countries whose head of state was assassinated by the LTTE and I also know that we covertly supported them at a time selling them arms and training their cadres.

 

[Starbuck1975]

While I get that alliances change the calculation somewhat I still find it unlikely that any previous US administration would have outright supported gunning down protesters in this manner.

This was the inevitable conclusion. You have too many people who associate their identity to a small patch of dirt. There was never going to be a two-state solution. The Palestinian cause has always been a distraction, cast aside by more significant geopolitical forces in the region.