Protests in Gaza

[brycejones]

I do not care because the context is clear. Both the history of violence and the threat from the crowd. It's not hard to grasp that anyone threatening that fence dies.

Its been long established that if you try to challenge the status quo and choose to march we will sick the dogs on you.

Apply your logic to the civil Rights movement in this country. You just basically said people fighting to be heard deserve what they get.

What a nice little authoritarian you can be.

 

[pcgeek11]

Some ''state". I don't believe they are allowed to levy taxes. Israel is constantly allowing more land to be taken over by Israeli citizens reducing the amount of land available as part of any negotiated solution. Calling it a state is a joke. The west bank is covered with israeli army checkpoints you can't have a state if you can't control any real aspect of your tereitory.

I didn't define it that way, Argue with those that do. That is the accepted way it is and has been since 1988 regardless if you like it or not.

Were they supposed to get your approval first?

Are you going to admit that you were wrong now?

 

[pcgeek11]

And what's the actual likelihood of that?

I don't know. You tell me. They have been in for the destruction of Israel and the death of Jewish people since Israel was formed. That is one reason they are where they are today when they had their collective asses handed to them by Israel after they attacked.

 

[Vic]

I don't know. You tell me. They have been in for the destruction of Israel and the death of Jewish people since Israel was formed. That is one reason they are where they are today when they had their collective asses handed to them by Israel after they attacked.

As you just pointed out, the Palestinians lost. And now their chances of destroying Israel are more or less zero. And now we have the same problem but with the sides flipped. The chances of Israel causing the death of the Palestinian people are uncomfortably high for people who are opposed to genocide as a general principle.

 

[sdifox]

I don't know. You tell me. They have been in for the destruction of Israel and the death of Jewish people since Israel was formed. That is one reason they are where they are today when they had their collective asses handed to them by Israel after they attacked.

You mean they were not fighting in Palestine even before the formation of Israel?

 

[kage69]

"Every nation has the right to defend it's front door."

I'm not sure I like hearing this. Implicit in the term "door" is the concept of "knock." You're allowed, fully entitled even, not to open it, becasue that's where the barriers come in (which you can electrify and barb all you want far as I'm concerned. Nothing wrong with deterrents providing there is warning - in Arabic). Putting live rounds on people like that is terrible, reprehensible, and then to make it worse they targeted responding medical personnel. And don't give me this 'they're shooting lower extremities' horseshit. Anyone mature enough to debate this subject should know full well femoral arteries, like ICBMs in a boomer, don't respond well to bullets.

IDF could probably have Spanish pros come in and apply a hotfix in weeks, quicker if they did it in house, and this wouldn't be an issue. But thinning out the Pal herd is acceptable in Israel.

 

[pcgeek11]

As you just pointed out, the Palestinians lost. And now their chances of destroying Israel are more or less zero. And now we have the same problem but with the sides flipped. The chances of Israel causing the death of the Palestinian people are uncomfortably high for people who are opposed to genocide as a general principle.

Then maybe they should stop poking the tiger with a stick. Or stop trying to penetrate the border fence.

 

[pcgeek11]

You mean they were not fighting in Palestine even before the formation of Israel?

No, I didn't say that at all.

They weren't fighting Israel before as they didn't exist until May 14, 1948.

 

[Jaskalas]

Its been long established that if you try to challenge the status quo and choose to march we will sick the dogs on you.

Apply your logic to the civil Rights movement in this country. You just basically said people fighting to be heard deserve what they get.

What a nice little authoritarian you can be.

You presume to tell me about the Civil Rights movement. I don't recall MLK having rockets and suicide bombers. Or Blacks killing Whites at every possible opportunity. America 1965 is not Gaza 2018, do not even try to compare the two. American citizens are not Hamas terrorists.

If you, or the world, wants to care about Gaza then you have two options available to you that are NOT the Israeli border. Once again you want to hang this all on Israel. Why doesn't Gaza make peace with Egypt? Might have better luck than using violence against Israel. Seems odd to me, that you'd hinge "saving" a people through assaulting a military position. WTF do you imagine they'd do if they crossed that border... share flowers and chocolates?

If not Egypt, negotiate a deal for water passage to whatever country is willing to take in Hamas refugees. Hell, UN could even arrange a very specific food, water, and medical supply chain that is under close supervision. We need less "right to vengeance" and more thinking of how to deescalate. Don't you agree?

 

[darkswordsman17]

You presume to tell me about the Civil Rights movement. I don't recall MLK having rockets and suicide bombers. Or Blacks killing Whites at every possible opportunity. America 1965 is not Gaza 2018, do not even try to compare the two. American citizens are not Hamas terrorists.

If you, or the world, wants to care about Gaza then you have two options available to you that are NOT the Israeli border. Once again you want to hang this all on Israel. Why doesn't Gaza make peace with Egypt? Might have better luck than using violence against Israel. Seems odd to me, that you'd hinge "saving" a people through assaulting a military position. WTF do you imagine they'd do if they crossed that border... share flowers and chocolates?

If not Egypt, negotiate a deal for water passage to whatever country is willing to take in Hamas refugees. Hell, UN could even arrange a very specific food, water, and medical supply chain that is under close supervision. We need less "right to vengeance" and more thinking of how to deescalate. Don't you agree?

Uh, you haven't heard of the Weather Underground? Or the Black Panthers. (Won't be the first time, but what the fuck? You're not seriously that ignorant of the Civil Rights Movement, are you?) You're desperately trying to project all Palestinians as Hamas holy warriors, but fact is, they aren't. Kinda like how, there were some extremists in the Civil Rights Movement that felt bombings were justified, or arming themselves in response to brutality. Funny, I don't remember the US government responding with tanks and bombings either, yet not a peep from you about Israel pulling that shit. Actually there are some "Hamas terrorists" that are United States citizens, so your attempt at an analogy failed on basically every level (seriously, what the fuck, do you not know how to make an analogy?).

I mean, its like you're going "well why don't they just march?" seemingly oblivious that you have your answer right fucking there. Because Israel will fucking just shoot them. Gee, I wonder if blacks would've gotten rights if we'd sent out our military with the ok to shoot. No, instead we actually started sending out our leaders to stop shit like the police force from beating black people (and straight up murdering them sometimes too).

Also, you do realize the FBI under Hoover was actually building a case to call MLK and many others outright terrorists, right? For fuck's sake they had a case file on John Lennon with regards to him potentially triggering a fucking uprising. Either you really don't know jack shit (and should STFU, I'm really goddamn sick of you fucking idiots spouting off about shit and showing you don't know what the fuck you're talking about but trying to chastise others on it), or you're playing stupid (I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you actually aren't that stupid).

You do realize the Palestinians were there before there was an Israel, right? I mean, you do know that we fucking carved out that area and gave part of it to the Jews? You are also aware that there are Israelies that started building settlements in areas they were not supposed to? Israel even used to go in and actually demolish them, but after Bibi realized that he can gain political power by openly becoming a hardline Nationalist, they basically stopped doing that. Meaning, Israel has been encroaching on Palestinian land, and yet here you are saying that well the Israelis are a-ok to fucking murder people over that shit.

Yet you want to hang nothing on Israel. It is entirely possible for both of them to be somewhat right and somewhat wrong.

Because Egypt hasn't exactly been friendly with them either? I mean, like, what the fuck, its like you have zero awareness of fucking anything that you're talking about. Or you're asking rhetorical questions and somehow think that's actually supporting your argument and not explicitly showing how straight up stupid it is.

What? Why would they do that when they have a perfectly capable UN member right fucking there? Maybe because that UN member has shown a willingness to drop "aid" in the form of bombs? Obviously, the problem is you act like Palestine is the only one being hostile. Funny you say that when Israel openly has been trying to escalate this for years, including meddling in our politics to get their way. There's a reason why Russia thought they could basically get in good with our politicians to get what they want, because Israel has been doing that for decades.

 

[Noah Abrams]

Activists Monday laid out 4,500 pairs of shoes in front of the Council of the European Union in Brussels to represent every person killed in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict over the last decade.

"Citizens across Europe have one clear message for our governments: Palestinian lives matter to us and they need to matter to you," said Avaaz Campaign Director Christoph Schott.

"As Israel’s largest trading partner and political ally, it is our moral responsibility to send a clear signal to Netanyahu’s government that the violence must stop," he added.

http://www.euronews.com/2018/05/28/...ayed-near-eu-building-over-palestinian-deaths

 

[Asmodeus]

LOL people actually defending Hamas & Muslims. There is a reason Muslim territories have the bloodiest borders and it's not by accident. They have repeatedly said they wanted to wipe out every Jew and run them into the sea. If given the chance and with the shoes on the other foot, they would commit genocide. I wouldn't even blame them for firing on every single person who comes to the buffer zone and protest. Hamas can't be trusted, it's better to be on the offensive than the defensive especially when they have constantly hurled threats.

They are lucky Israel is even offering any land after they have continually started war and repeatedly got smashed. Even with other countries helping they couldn't pull it off. I don't blame Israel, they ask for one piece of land to live on in peace while the Muslims have the entire middle east. Israel has been beyond patient, I would have already had enough of their shit and eliminated the whole area. They fought for it and won many times over. It's not their fault Palestinians are bringing kids to the border to protest when Israel warned them already. Hamas uses Palestinians for human shields for pity from other countries and then have everyone say "Oh no, poor Palestinian children were killed, how could Israel be so inhuman?", well yeah, don't bring your child to a protest knowing how bloody it can get between the two areas. Should be child abuse.