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Klixxer

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2004
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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Yeah, why would you need one? I mean fine nations like Nigeria, NK and Iraq doesn't.
Figure it out numbnuts.
 

Klixxer

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2004
6,149
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Show me a country working well without a well functioning public sector?

There need to be laws and people to enforce them, to prevent those who have lots of power to abuse it uncontrolled. Look at South America, they're probably some of the democratic countries using fewest money in their public sector and least redistribution of wealth. I think that too much inequality in a society will make it unstable just as forced equality will.

Excellent post!
 

Prfstrkr

Member
Mar 27, 2002
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Show me a country working well without a well functioning public sector?

There need to be laws and people to enforce them, to prevent those who have lots of power to abuse it uncontrolled. Look at South America, they're probably some of the democratic countries using fewest money in their public sector and least redistribution of wealth. I think that too much inequality in a society will make it unstable just as forced equality will.

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Ornery

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Ornery
I started working in a production shop about 3 months ago. They have a pretty high turnover of employees, which I guess is the nature of that business. However, there are a LOT of Croatians there, and they seem to stick around. Probably because they have a support base there, and they're probably used to tougher conditions back home.

One gal who has been there for several years, was talking with me about how bad it is in other parts of the world, and how we really don't have it so bad. She said, "We may have a bad year, once in a while," but not a bad life." The people who immigrate here, know exactly what she means. Too bad the people born here take that for granted.


And will you still be singing the same tune after 20 years of raises that don't keep up with the cost of living? 20 years of working harder and smarter, but with a constantly declining standard of living?

I've lived it, believe me that is exactly where we are headed. I fail to see how we can be too proud of that. It isn't the workers that are slackers, it is management taking a bigger chunk out of the profits every year.

Hell, I've been there and I know of what I speak.
You've been where, to the future? Fvckhead...

We have jobs that don't exist where these immigrants came from. They're now making enough money to live here in the US, AND send money back home! Some start their own shops and hire their own people. STFU and get a GD clue!



"And 95% of those immigrate to EU, we take them on, give them food and shelter and money until they have found a job."

"It is not just the US, it is the western countries as a whole."


Is Croatia not a "Western country"?


"The US is nothing special."

If you repeat that often enough, and long enough, you just might actually start to believe it!



"i definitely hear u. Aren't u shocked that there are so many Arnold type ppl trying to draw a conclusion that "our economy is not so bad" after comparing to countries like Mexico, Vietnam, and N. Korea."

You're on. EXACTLY how BAD is our economy, Einstein?
 

classy

Lifer
Oct 12, 1999
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LOL. We have no choice but to be proud to be American. No other country wants us................
 

Prfstrkr

Member
Mar 27, 2002
108
0
0
Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Ornery
I started working in a production shop about 3 months ago. They have a pretty high turnover of employees, which I guess is the nature of that business. However, there are a LOT of Croatians there, and they seem to stick around. Probably because they have a support base there, and they're probably used to tougher conditions back home.

One gal who has been there for several years, was talking with me about how bad it is in other parts of the world, and how we really don't have it so bad. She said, "We may have a bad year, once in a while," but not a bad life." The people who immigrate here, know exactly what she means. Too bad the people born here take that for granted.


And will you still be singing the same tune after 20 years of raises that don't keep up with the cost of living? 20 years of working harder and smarter, but with a constantly declining standard of living?

I've lived it, believe me that is exactly where we are headed. I fail to see how we can be too proud of that. It isn't the workers that are slackers, it is management taking a bigger chunk out of the profits every year.

Hell, I've been there and I know of what I speak.
You've been where, to the future? Fvckhead...

We have jobs that don't exist where these immigrants came from. They're now making enough money to live here in the US, AND send money back home! Some start their own shops and hire their own people. STFU and get a GD clue!



"And 95% of those immigrate to EU, we take them on, give them food and shelter and money until they have found a job."

"It is not just the US, it is the western countries as a whole."


Is Croatia not a "Western country"?


"The US is nothing special."

If you repeat that often enough, and long enough, you just might actually start to believe it!



"i definitely hear u. Aren't u shocked that there are so many Arnold type ppl trying to draw a conclusion that "our economy is not so bad" after comparing to countries like Mexico, Vietnam, and N. Korea."

You're on. EXACTLY how BAD is our economy, Einstein?



as BAD as ur mouth:beer:
 

Dissipate

Diamond Member
Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Show me a country working well without a well functioning public sector?

Since a well functioning public sector is an oxymoron, this is a trick question.

There need to be laws and people to enforce them, to prevent those who have lots of power to abuse it uncontrolled. Look at South America, they're probably some of the democratic countries using fewest money in their public sector and least redistribution of wealth. I think that too much inequality in a society will make it unstable just as forced equality will.

Anarcho-capitalism does not promise utopia for all nations. It only promises prosperity for the nations that are willing to work for it, i.e. those that value prosperity. The U.S. and other developed nations around the world HAVE shown that they are willing to work, and the economic success of these nations has been inspite of the enormous growth of government in the 20th century, certainly not because of it.

I agree, laws are good, and there are people who need to enforce them, but the government doesn't need to be involved in any part of the law making/law enforcing industry. A governmentless society would simply adhere to what is called natural order.

I suggest you read this article by Professor Hoppe.

 

biostud

Lifer
Feb 27, 2003
18,667
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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Show me a country working well without a well functioning public sector?

Since a well functioning public sector is an oxymoron, this is a trick question.

There need to be laws and people to enforce them, to prevent those who have lots of power to abuse it uncontrolled. Look at South America, they're probably some of the democratic countries using fewest money in their public sector and least redistribution of wealth. I think that too much inequality in a society will make it unstable just as forced equality will.

Anarcho-capitalism does not promise utopia for all nations. It only promises prosperity for the nations that are willing to work for it, i.e. those that value prosperity. The U.S. and other developed nations around the world HAVE shown that they are willing to work, and the economic success of these nations has been inspite of the enormous growth of government in the 20th century, certainly not because of it.

I agree, laws are good, and there are people who need to enforce them, but the government doesn't need to be involved in any part of the law making/law enforcing industry. A governmentless society would simply adhere to what is called natural order.

I suggest you read this article by Professor Hoppe.

LOL, this is good. Without a government who should decide the laws and uphold them?
And do you actually believe that there's no beucracy in private companies?
Natural order......hahahaha No such thing when it comes to humans



In a natural order every scarce resource, including all land, is owned privately, every enterprise is funded by voluntarily paying customers or private donors, and entry into every line of production, including that of property protection, conflict arbitration, and peacemaking, is free.

natural order WTF is he talking about???????
 

Dissipate

Diamond Member
Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Show me a country working well without a well functioning public sector?

Since a well functioning public sector is an oxymoron, this is a trick question.

There need to be laws and people to enforce them, to prevent those who have lots of power to abuse it uncontrolled. Look at South America, they're probably some of the democratic countries using fewest money in their public sector and least redistribution of wealth. I think that too much inequality in a society will make it unstable just as forced equality will.

Anarcho-capitalism does not promise utopia for all nations. It only promises prosperity for the nations that are willing to work for it, i.e. those that value prosperity. The U.S. and other developed nations around the world HAVE shown that they are willing to work, and the economic success of these nations has been inspite of the enormous growth of government in the 20th century, certainly not because of it.

I agree, laws are good, and there are people who need to enforce them, but the government doesn't need to be involved in any part of the law making/law enforcing industry. A governmentless society would simply adhere to what is called natural order.

I suggest you read this article by Professor Hoppe.

LOL, this is good. Without a government who should decide the laws and uphold them?

You answered this at the bottom of your quote.

And do you actually believe that there's no beucracy in private companies?

No, because bureaucracy by definition is not self-sustaining. It leeches off of the rest of society through taxation and regulation.

Natural order......hahahaha No such thing when it comes to humans

If that were true then we would be living with the apes. Natural order is all around us, just look at the cars on a freeway sometime.

In a natural order every scarce resource, including all land, is owned privately, every enterprise is funded by voluntarily paying customers or private donors, and entry into every line of production, including that of property protection, conflict arbitration, and peacemaking, is free.

natural order WTF is he talking about???????

Uh, the description is pretty self-explanatory.

Edit: another article for you Text
 

Klixxer

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2004
6,149
0
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Originally posted by: Ornery
Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
Originally posted by: Ornery
I started working in a production shop about 3 months ago. They have a pretty high turnover of employees, which I guess is the nature of that business. However, there are a LOT of Croatians there, and they seem to stick around. Probably because they have a support base there, and they're probably used to tougher conditions back home.

One gal who has been there for several years, was talking with me about how bad it is in other parts of the world, and how we really don't have it so bad. She said, "We may have a bad year, once in a while," but not a bad life." The people who immigrate here, know exactly what she means. Too bad the people born here take that for granted.


And will you still be singing the same tune after 20 years of raises that don't keep up with the cost of living? 20 years of working harder and smarter, but with a constantly declining standard of living?

I've lived it, believe me that is exactly where we are headed. I fail to see how we can be too proud of that. It isn't the workers that are slackers, it is management taking a bigger chunk out of the profits every year.

Hell, I've been there and I know of what I speak.
You've been where, to the future? Fvckhead...

We have jobs that don't exist where these immigrants came from. They're now making enough money to live here in the US, AND send money back home! Some start their own shops and hire their own people. STFU and get a GD clue!



"And 95% of those immigrate to EU, we take them on, give them food and shelter and money until they have found a job."

"It is not just the US, it is the western countries as a whole."


Is Croatia not a "Western country"?


"The US is nothing special."

If you repeat that often enough, and long enough, you just might actually start to believe it!



"i definitely hear u. Aren't u shocked that there are so many Arnold type ppl trying to draw a conclusion that "our economy is not so bad" after comparing to countries like Mexico, Vietnam, and N. Korea."

You're on. EXACTLY how BAD is our economy, Einstein?

No, Croatia is not a Western country, in fact it didn't even exist when the lines were drawn between the east and they west.

Actually, i don't believe the US is anything special, except for one thing, it is the ONLY country i have visited where i have been called names because i am Jewish.
 

Dissipate

Diamond Member
Jan 17, 2004
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Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Yeah, why would you need one? I mean fine nations like Nigeria, NK and Iraq doesn't.
Figure it out numbnuts.

All I have to say is that ad homs are usually perceived as a sign of ignorance. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:
 

Klixxer

Diamond Member
Apr 7, 2004
6,149
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Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Klixxer
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: biostud666
Originally posted by: Dissipate
Originally posted by: Todd33
in order to achieve real freedom we must rid ourselves of this god awful monstrosity called the U.S. government.

I see a certain someone getting a visit from the FBI thanks to the PATRIOT act soon

Pff, the FBI doesn't care about me. I'm an intellectual anarchist, not a nut.

I was wondering what kind of freedom you were talking about, but then I see describe yourself as an anarchist, and then it made sense.

The only thing I can say is that if you lived in a country without a working public sector, you would have very little money to stowe away on your GoldMoney account.

What do you base that conclusion on? Why do we need a "working" public sector?

Yeah, why would you need one? I mean fine nations like Nigeria, NK and Iraq doesn't.
Figure it out numbnuts.

All I have to say is that ad homs are usually perceived as a sign of ignorance. Keep up the good work. :thumbsup:

You will have to excuse me but i think you are either extremely high on pot or totally out there, it is a nice idea you have but it has nothing to do with reality, hence the insult "numbnuts" which i see as quite fitting or you my good man.

If you have a better name for those way, WAY out there, please let me know.
 
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