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Paratus

Lifer
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I'm not interested in that topic. The POTUS doesn't personally pick what studies get funded as you dishonestly implied. It was a bad argument, accept it and move on.
You're right your argument the governmentpicks the outcomes was a bad argument that you dishonesty put forth. Accept it and move on.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
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Here's how this would go. I provide data. You, then berate the source, berate the data and berate me. That's your M.O. It's as reliable as the sun rising in the East. I'm champing at the bit to participate in yet another one of those exercises in futility. /s

I'd like to say that I am sorry that you are so unhappy the majority of the time but that would be a lie because I really don't care. In between getting banned, you have nothing good to say about anyone and anything here. You contribute nothing that is not tainted with anger and malice and in the process repeatedly declare over and over your superiority. The source of your unhappiness is a mystery to me but I have no empathy. You're just a seemingly perpetually angry individual. Your shtick is beyond tiresome.

Guess who's miserable? It's not me.

I assure you that my anger resides fully and uniquely directed at the sphere with which you and your ilk deign to destroy human progress, simply because hard work is too difficult for you, and you have been told by your preferred batch of craven elites that such work will inevitably destroy your happiness. It is ever-so-annoying that in your corner, ignorance is to be praised above intelligence, so much so that all advancement must be stopped, that success in life is measured by the accumulation of "liberal tears" ...or the tears of whatever "elite" dares to improve your life through science and technology.

There's nothing wrong with living simply and not caring about shit like this, but it is tiresome and quite dangerous when the crying, uniformed children declare themselves masters of the universe, and that from now on all dinners will be ice cream and Mt Dew, and that there is no place for a balanced, brain-building diet.
 

zinfamous

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Why would they be rescinded if they are giving the government what they want?

no one is giving the government what they want. The money is just there. The results don't matter either way. I know you don't understand how any of this works, but that is a plain fact: Government grants like this are awarded based on the grant, based on the question. It has nothing to do with results. As Paratus said, the only way to lose funding is if the data has been found to be fraudulent. This is actually an extremely important difference, compared to studies funded by industry, that only ever has a long and certain history of protecting its own interests.

I know it is easy to manipulate the primed mind of a GOP voter into thinking that all government bad, therefore government research bad and glorious capitalist industry good, but it simply doesn't work that way. You have been thoroughly conned into believing the exact opposite of the reality. IF you think Industry has no motivation to guard it's profits and its share price and so nobly funds research with a neutral goal to produce valid, unskewed data, then you are far, far dumber than you think you are.

ffs: just think about it for a second. There is essentially no motivation for the Feds to manipulate data in the ways that you are so convinced that they do. And when you further have something like 97% vs 3% of a group claiming one large argument, the 3% aren't some noble upstarts, they are fucking paid shills.
 

agent00f

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no one is giving the government what they want. The money is just there. The results don't matter either way. I know you don't understand how any of this works, but that is a plain fact: Government grants like this are awarded based on the grant, based on the question. It has nothing to do with results. As Paratus said, the only way to lose funding is if the data has been found to be fraudulent. This is actually an extremely important difference, compared to studies funded by industry, that only ever has a long and certain history of protecting its own interests.

I know it is easy to manipulate the primed mind of a GOP voter into thinking that all government bad, therefore government research bad and glorious capitalist industry good, but it simply doesn't work that way. You have been thoroughly conned into believing the exact opposite of the reality. IF you think Industry has no motivation to guard it's profits and its share price and so nobly funds research with a neutral goal to produce valid, unskewed data, then you are far, far dumber than you think you are.

ffs: just think about it for a second. There is essentially no motivation for the Feds to manipulate data in the ways that you are so convinced that they do. And when you further have something like 97% vs 3% of a group claiming one large argument, the 3% aren't some noble upstarts, they are fucking paid shills.

buckshot knows how it works.
 
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I'll take funding a scientific study and not funding a foregone conclusion for $100 Alex

(Wow a whole $1.1B per year it's amazing how little we spend on science.)
Like Santer's (of Climategate fame) new paper on the hiatus? Great stuff. Glad to see they finally had to acknowledge it.
 

Jhhnn

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Certain facts exist-

Nature converted enormous quantities of atmospheric CO2 into complex hydrocarbons over a few hundred million years & sequestered them in the Earth.

Humans are rapidly turning them back into atmospheric CO2 over a few hundred years.

The notion that it won't have an effect on the climate is absurd, but that's what climate change deniers want us all to believe.

The thrust of their argument? We'll all be dead or raptured before it gets very bad, so fuck it.
 
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zzyzxroad

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Certain facts exist-

Nature converted enormous quantities of atmospheric CO2 into complex hydrocarbons over a few hundred million years & sequestered them in the Earth.

Humans are rapidly turning them back into atmospheric CO2 over a few hundred years.

The notion that it won't have an effect on the climate is absurd, but that's what climate change deniers want us all to believe.

The thrust of their argument? We'll all be dead or raptured before it gets very bad, so fuck it.

Perhaps using truth will never work with the climate change deniers. Is there a bible verse we can interoperate as Jesus loving renewable energy?
 

Paratus

Lifer
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Perhaps using truth will never work with the climate change deniers. Is there a bible verse we can interoperate as Jesus loving renewable energy?
Umm they pick and choose what to believe from the Bible just like they do with science and facts.

What ever gives them the right feels man.
 
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ch33zw1z

Lifer
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Perhaps using truth will never work with the climate change deniers. Is there a bible verse we can interoperate as Jesus loving renewable energy?
The only passage that deniers will look to is when God gives man dominion over the earth, and out of context as well...trying to say it's our God given right to donkey punch the planet.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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The best part to me is how you lie, every time.

It was a question not a statement and a simple one at that. One that you couldn't answer.

Although the best part to me is how you always accuse me of doing what you are doing. Standard dishonest debating tactic.
 

buckshot24

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It was a question not a statement and a simple one at that. One that you couldn't answer.

Although the best part to me is how you always accuse me of doing what you are doing. Standard dishonest debating tactic.
The question was dishonest because you know what he was referring to.
 

fskimospy

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The question was dishonest because you know what he was referring to.

It's a question designed to get him to spell out exactly what his position is, which is perfectly honest.

As someone who desperately attempts to avoid staking out a concrete position whenever possible it makes perfect sense as to why you would react so negatively to it, but that'a just a testament to your own similar dishonesty and immorality.
 

Paratus

Lifer
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The question was dishonest because you know what he was referring to.

It should be an easy question to answer. But I'll help. The answer should have a date range and refer to a data set at the minimum.

Taj should also provide what he thinks a hiatus is. What's the cut off in temperature change before it's not a hiatus and is instead an increase or decrease in temperature.

I'm asking a reasonable question while Taj is throwing insults and you are white knighting for him.
 
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buckshot24

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You're right maybe he's talking about the time period that Soundgarden broke up before getting back together.
 

fskimospy

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You're right maybe he's talking about the time period that Soundgarden broke up before getting back together.

Arguments this transparently dishonest undermine whatever you're trying to do.

He asked him to specify what he was saying. Any honest and moral person should be happy to do so.
 

Jhhnn

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Arguments this transparently dishonest undermine whatever you're trying to do.

He asked him to specify what he was saying. Any honest and moral person should be happy to do so.

Buckshot knows that. He's just carrying water for Taj until he comes back. Tag team trolling.
 
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