PS4 and Xbox One pre-order sales declining

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purbeast0

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I never got into the preordering thing either. I don't see why you'd pay up front for a game that you don't know reviews for, possibly haven't seen gameplay for, or a console you don't yet know a whole lot about. It's not like you even save money. The preorder is $400 for a PS4, or you could just go get one when it releases for $400. But I'll wait a while until more games come out along with reviews and the like

you must have never bought a console at launch if you think you can just walk into the store on launch day and pick one up. as far as preordering games go, i don't do that myself either i just go get them when i want to since there are never shortages of games. it has nothing to do with reviews of games though.
 

smackababy

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you must have never bought a console at launch if you think you can just walk into the store on launch day and pick one up. as far as preordering games go, i don't do that myself either i just go get them when i want to since there are never shortages of games. it has nothing to do with reviews of games though.

Yeah, consoles are limited in supply. I don't think we have ever had a disc shortage, so games are always available. I only preorder games if I get something extra for doing it (like the first DLC for BF4 "free", even though I will end up with premium anyway).
 

American Gunner

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Lol, so now that preorders are slowing down, the console industry as a whole is dead? Are we supposed to forget how Amazon said it was the best pre-order they've ever done?
 

RedRooster

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I just can't get interested in pre-ordering something that is that far away.
I'd rather just walk into a store and buy something when I want it. I'm not even going to worry about next gen until our Best Buy gets stock, then I'll go see if they have any left.
 

ImpulsE69

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Yea I'll be waiting until the actual crop of games is out before I even worry about owning the console. None of the day one releases on either one are must haves for me. If I was game starved things might be different. That is what makes me in awe of some people...who has that kind of time? I play a lot of games and still can't keep up.
 

lilrayray69

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you must have never bought a console at launch if you think you can just walk into the store on launch day and pick one up. as far as preordering games go, i don't do that myself either i just go get them when i want to since there are never shortages of games. it has nothing to do with reviews of games though.

Yeah I know you can't just walk in and get one on launch day, but I wouldn't ever want to do that anyway. I've never bought a console at launch, always waited at least a couple months.
 

Midwayman

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I know the whole switch to mobile gaming is something I hear a lot from people inside the industry. I somewhat expect that we're nearing peak in the lifespan of consoles. That doesn't mean that gaming won't go on, just that it wont always be with a box tied to your TV.
 

cmdrdredd

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I know the whole switch to mobile gaming is something I hear a lot from people inside the industry. I somewhat expect that we're nearing peak in the lifespan of consoles. That doesn't mean that gaming won't go on, just that it wont always be with a box tied to your TV.

What mobile game offers the same gameplay, graphics, and experience of the last of us?

Im sorry but I don't see mobile as the future. Everyone plays stupid candy crush now but that's totally not replacing my console games.
 

Skel

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you must have never bought a console at launch if you think you can just walk into the store on launch day and pick one up. as far as preordering games go, i don't do that myself either i just go get them when i want to since there are never shortages of games. it has nothing to do with reviews of games though.

Oddly enough I did that with the Wii. I put my money down on the counter at a GameCrazy and asked if they could sell me one. The manager jumped at the chance and sold me someone's preorder. It was really shady of the guy at the time, but it worked out for me (I had lunch riding on it).
 

blackened23

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I know the whole switch to mobile gaming is something I hear a lot from people inside the industry. I somewhat expect that we're nearing peak in the lifespan of consoles. That doesn't mean that gaming won't go on, just that it wont always be with a box tied to your TV.

The best mobile SKUs have GPU performance that is only a mere fraction of the xbox 360. As a specific example, the Tegra 4, which is unreleased - peaks at 90 or so Gflops while the xbox 360 is 240 Gflops.

Now, you tell me if mobile is the future of gaming. Mobile gaming exists as a distraction for those who are travelling or bored, but it is not a replacement for bigscreen gaming in your living room - be it the PC or a console. There is absolutely no mobile SKU even on the horizon which can match even 10 year old consoles in terms of power, and that power is required for a top quality experience in the living room.
 

BoberFett

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There's a reason why less people in my social circle (upper class) are playing console games. They just aren't appealing and are child-like. I'm not joking. Most adults associate console gaming with childhood.

Of course you will have 10 year olds playing console games, that's not what I'm arguing against.

I have no intention to play child-like fantasy games.

I'm betting that it wont sell nearly as much as the previous Playstations.

I think this guy is super serial.
 

blackened23

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And rightfully so. Console gaming is pretty much dead and I don't see how console manufacturers can revive console gaming back.

Most of the folks posting in this thread are PC gamers yet they all see through this thread as a ridiculous troll. Get real, man.
 

Midwayman

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What mobile game offers the same gameplay, graphics, and experience of the last of us?

Im sorry but I don't see mobile as the future. Everyone plays stupid candy crush now but that's totally not replacing my console games.

Nobody is saying this is an overnight thing. You have to think where mobile gaming might be in 8 years when PS5 and xboxwhateverthehelltheycallit are going to be ready. Also it doesn't doesn't mean that there won't also be console games, just that its the growing market and consoles may peak with this generation.

Mobile gaming isn't just candy crush either. There are full games with maybe ps2 or better quality out there. Plus they are rapidly getting better in quality. I understand the latest mobile GPUs are as powerful as a ps3/xb360. Within 2 years you can expect a sizable portion of the mobile audience to have that sort of power available. Biggest hurdle to become a serious platform is controls.

I agree just to look at it now, its sort of a laughable thought, but projections show them becoming a force in the next several years.
 

smackababy

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I think what the projections are showing is that the segment of the market that gets the newest, best phone every 2 years is very large. And with that, the quality of games available on that platform that pretty much everyone already has, is increasing rapidly. 10 years ago, I had a phone that couldn't handle a game from the NES era (1986...). Today, my phone can do a lot more.

The big problem is developers are trying to use conventional controls (buttons) with a different technology (touch screen). That has yet to translate very well. They really need to rethink how we control games and design games around that. Point and click adventures would be a good place to start.
 

Arkaign

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I think what the projections are showing is that the segment of the market that gets the newest, best phone every 2 years is very large. And with that, the quality of games available on that platform that pretty much everyone already has, is increasing rapidly. 10 years ago, I had a phone that couldn't handle a game from the NES era (1986...). Today, my phone can do a lot more.

The big problem is developers are trying to use conventional controls (buttons) with a different technology (touch screen). That has yet to translate very well. They really need to rethink how we control games and design games around that. Point and click adventures would be a good place to start.

That's what my problem with ipad/tablet/phone gaming is. I don't care if it's the greatest game in history, if it's touch, I won't play it. It's waaaaaay too wonky for serious games. Imagine trying to play CoD, or Madden, or Forza on touch. Horrible.

What could change it though is universal bluetooth controller compatibility and good controller support. Silly products like the Ouya/Shield are paving some of that ground, but I think it will take an Apple/Sony/MS to really get that done right. Dropping your phone next to your TV, having it wirelessly link 4K to the display and sound system, and linking automatically to your BT controllers = instant console replacement, as long as the video/sound quality are up to par.

I looked at the shield, and it looks like utter garbage. PS3/360 put it to shame, even though their purposed specs are supposed to be better on the shield. What a failure. Ouya is too odd/useless to matter. But Apple comes out with a good playing/looking setup that turns iPad 5 into a console with real controllers? Boom, instant entry into the console wars.
 

Midwayman

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What could change it though is universal bluetooth controller compatibility and good controller support. Silly products like the Ouya/Shield are paving some of that ground, but I think it will take an Apple/Sony/MS to really get that done right. Dropping your phone next to your TV, having it wirelessly link 4K to the display and sound system, and linking automatically to your BT controllers = instant console replacement, as long as the video/sound quality are up to par.

I think something like that is likely. Even if its a dock that charges your phone and provides full size HDMI out, etc. We're just starting to see devs take mobile games seriously along with stuff like controllers, etc. Give it a year or two to work itself out and we might have something interesting.
 

dastral

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I think something like that is likely. Even if its a dock that charges your phone and provides full size HDMI out, etc. We're just starting to see devs take mobile games seriously along with stuff like controllers, etc. Give it a year or two to work itself out and we might have something interesting.

Indeed but they will still be years behind of a Console or PC.
There is just no way around the "more watts = more power" problem.

Anyone else notice that the entire article used by the original poster is constructed around a flawed question ?

developers which platforms they had last developed for, which platforms they were developing for now, and on which platforms they planned their next game
Everyone knows consoles are a mature market in the US/Europe/Japan (which historically is the main target).
Yes, your "console buyers" are now older, no one above 35 had a NES, while today it's common for them to have a PS3 or 360...

Of course you still have Latin America, Asia, Africa.... which have almost 0 consoles.
But when a "decent pay" in Latin America is 400$/m you can imagine that 499$ consoles wont sell that easily.
Not to mention phones are usually subsidized which helps a LOT.

Now to get into Phone Gaming :
- It's the fastest growing market in the world
- The entry barrier is nonexistent (you dont need 100M$ to make an AAA game).
- F2P model promotes micro-transactions
- You could be the next Angy Birds & Puzzle Dragons (or even Farmville)

I do agree that the console market is deeply flawed with it's 100M$ to make Call of Modern Madden N°25 and it's 70$ games.

But it's not dying, it still has 4 billion potential customers....

An interesting question would had been "which % of your manhours is dedicated to Phones vs Consoles vs PC"

Yes Call of Modern Madden N°25 sold for 1.5 Billion after a 100M$ Dev Cost.
Angry Birds made 20M ? 30M ? 40M ? for what less that 1M Dev cost ?

i'll let you guess which is more appealing and with lower risk

Edit : fixed a small mistake.
 
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exdeath

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What mobile game offers the same gameplay, graphics, and experience of the last of us?

Im sorry but I don't see mobile as the future. Everyone plays stupid candy crush now but that's totally not replacing my console games.

LMAO so much this.
 

Midwayman

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Indeed but they will still be years behind of a Console or PC.
There is just no way around the "more watts = more power" problem.

Sure. But at some point its 'good enough' for a large portion of the audience. Also CPU and GPU makers are increasingly focusing on power per watt and mobile applications vs home based computing. I have to wonder if at some point that your desktop and phone might be running the same chips, but power gated and down clocked when away from an outlet. Maybe it the sort of thing where you drop it into a dock and it unlocks a bunch of cpu cores and doubles in speed? It just seems we are on the way to some sort of convergence with mobile and desktop hardware.
 

exdeath

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I think what the projections are showing is that the segment of the market that gets the newest, best phone every 2 years is very large. And with that, the quality of games available on that platform that pretty much everyone already has, is increasing rapidly. 10 years ago, I had a phone that couldn't handle a game from the NES era (1986...). Today, my phone can do a lot more.

The big problem is developers are trying to use conventional controls (buttons) with a different technology (touch screen). That has yet to translate very well. They really need to rethink how we control games and design games around that. Point and click adventures would be a good place to start.

I keep using Zelda Phantom Hourglass as a perfect example of a invisible native touch screen interface.
 

cmdrdredd

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I think what the projections are showing is that the segment of the market that gets the newest, best phone every 2 years is very large. And with that, the quality of games available on that platform that pretty much everyone already has, is increasing rapidly. 10 years ago, I had a phone that couldn't handle a game from the NES era (1986...). Today, my phone can do a lot more.

The big problem is developers are trying to use conventional controls (buttons) with a different technology (touch screen). That has yet to translate very well. They really need to rethink how we control games and design games around that. Point and click adventures would be a good place to start.

The other thing is, if they try giving a controller option and asking people to buy a game + accessory to play on their tablet they look at them like they have lobsters crawling out of their ears because right over there for $.99 there's 100 games to pick from.

Plus everyone I know who does any sort of gaming on their phone or tablet, even playing Horn and the like, has major ADD on it and doesn't get past the 30minute mark before giving up.

That's what my problem with ipad/tablet/phone gaming is. I don't care if it's the greatest game in history, if it's touch, I won't play it. It's waaaaaay too wonky for serious games. Imagine trying to play CoD, or Madden, or Forza on touch. Horrible.

What could change it though is universal bluetooth controller compatibility and good controller support. Silly products like the Ouya/Shield are paving some of that ground, but I think it will take an Apple/Sony/MS to really get that done right. Dropping your phone next to your TV, having it wirelessly link 4K to the display and sound system, and linking automatically to your BT controllers = instant console replacement, as long as the video/sound quality are up to par.

I looked at the shield, and it looks like utter garbage. PS3/360 put it to shame, even though their purposed specs are supposed to be better on the shield. What a failure. Ouya is too odd/useless to matter. But Apple comes out with a good playing/looking setup that turns iPad 5 into a console with real controllers? Boom, instant entry into the console wars.

With no first party studio support that Nintendo, Sony, and MS enjoy. The biggest hurdle doesn't seem to be hardware to me, it's the software. You need to have the games to back up your stuff and it's got to look as good or better than current PC and/or console games (that now means XB1 and PS4). It has to play the same with no input lag that makes it a chore, and it has to have integrated multiplayer capabilities. Then it can compete.

Mobile tech is also facing a moving goal post. When they make strides, so does the rest of the industry especially PC. You'll never totally catch up in performance to the PC side with the power envelope necessary to keep people happy with battery life on the tablet.

Every time you hear about a new mobile CPU and GPU that is amazing, Nvidia is a step closer to Maxwell, Intel is eyeballing their projections for skylake, and AMD is working on their next big architecture.
 
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dmw16

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There's a reason why less people in my social circle (upper class) are playing console games. They just aren't appealing and are child-like. I'm not joking. Most adults associate console gaming with childhood.

If the people in your social circle are playing a lot of console or PC games then they probably aren't upper class. People who are upper class are typically hard working types or don't waste tons of time and money on video games.

Having said that, most busy upper class types are more likely to have a Macbook Pro and a game console. They don't want to hassle with the pain in the ass things that go along with a gaming PC. They want to flop on their couch and play a game of Madden or COD when they have time. Not dork around with some gaming machine then find out they need a new video card and blah blah blah.
 
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