PS4 Pro GPU

[sxr7171]

I don't have a lot of info on this but it seems it's pretty close to some desktop GPUs and quite formidable for a console.

They claim about 4.2 Teraflops which brings it into 1060GTX territory or close to the RX 480.

I guess that makes it truly VR capable as well at the entry level of PC VR.

Any thoughts or info?

 

[railven]

It's already gimped by the lack of improvement on the CPU. Unless Sony plans to refresh this thing, they're launching yet again behind the current market of GPUs.

I can't even stomach Bloodborne on PS4. <20 FPS and blur so intense to mask it, do to the action you can't make out any details if you pan the camera. Wake me up when both companies aren't struggling to make money and thus invest in their R&D again.

 

[sxr7171]

The original PS4 and the Xbone were a joke I agree. But this new one is quite powerful in the GPU department and quite cheap at $399. The CPU doesn't worry me as they tend to code console games "to the metal". We've all seen how PC ports seem to waste CPU cycles like crazy with insane overhead.

Maybe DX12 will fix this considering everything is on x86 but these consoles always have their tricks. For example I can't for the life of me understand why an original Xbox can't be emulated. 733MHz P3?

In pure teraflop terms it meets the level of a 970GTX which is minimum requirement for Vive and Oculus.

 

[jpiniero]

I don't have a lot of info on this but it seems it's pretty close to some desktop GPUs and quite formidable for a console.
They claim about 4.2 Teraflops which brings it into 1060GTX territory or close to the RX 480.

The GPU on it is basically a 480 running at 911 Mhz. Same 36 CUs and everything.

It's already gimped by the lack of improvement on the CPU. Unless Sony plans to refresh this thing, they're launching yet again behind the current market of GPUs.

They did up the clock speed on the Jaguar cores 30-40%.

 

[railven]

The original PS4 and the Xbone were a joke I agree. But this new one is quite powerful in the GPU department and quite cheap at $399. The CPU doesn't worry me as they tend to code console games "to the metal". We've all seen how PC ports seem to waste CPU cycles like crazy with insane overhead.

Maybe DX12 will fix this considering everything is on x86 but these consoles always have their tricks. For example I can't for the life of me understand why an original Xbox can't be emulated. 733MHz P3?

In pure teraflop terms it meets the level of a 970GTX which is minimum requirement for Vive and Oculus.

Well I guess, it really depends how devs treat these new systems. I'm not sure if you've played a lot of the console games, but the few titles I played (outside of some Sony 1st party titles, because Sony actually seems to know WTF they are doing) has made me even more grateful that a lot of games I enjoy are coming to PC.

I thought FFXIII was bad on PS3, try the demo of FFXIV on PS4. That microstutter!


Back to my original point, if the devs focus more on 60 FPS over IQ, I can see it being beneficial. But I just get this feeling they're going to sacrifice all that extra rendering power to hit 4k30FPS (of which it won't even be native 4K, but some where in the middle.)

To use a PC structure, I'd take Medium-settings @ 1080p/60 on consoles, but the devs are gonna probably gonna push for High settings @4k Upscaled/30FPS. You can already see it in some of the demo footage.

EDIT:

They did up the clock speed on the Jaguar cores 30-40%.

This must be new info, because I haven't seen that reported.

 

[tviceman]

The GPU is good for 1080p today, but most developers will still target 30fps.

 

[SPBHM]

it's a good bit slower than the 480... it's like locking a 480 at 910MHz and 6.8GHz memory.

but still, looks pretty good overall compared to the previous consoles; a shame that it's kind of going to be limited because of the 4K target and the limitations imposed by Sony regarding original PS4 compatibility and so on... if they could make games exclusive to the PS4Pro it would be a lot more interesting.

considering the Xbox One S sits at 1.4 TF at $299, this thing is 4.2 TF at $399 looks nice, but a 470 is faster than the PS4 Pro GPU anyway.

 

[jpiniero]

This must be new info, because I haven't seen that reported.

I don't think they have said what the actual new clock of the Jaguar cores is, but a leak from several months ago was right about the 4.2 TF GPU so you can be pretty sure that is correct.

Oh and the PSU on it is rated for 310 W, which is crazy. Compare this to 250/230 on the original and 160 for the Slim. So you can bet that the APU is drawing close to if not over 200 W.

 

[railven]

I don't think they have said what the actual new clock of the Jaguar cores is, but a leak from several months ago was right about the 4.2 TF GPU so you can be pretty sure that is correct.

Oh and the PSU on it is rated for 310 W, which is crazy. Compare this to 250/230 on the original and 160 for the Slim. So you can bet that the APU is drawing close to if not over 200 W.

I don't recall the leaks every saying the clocks for the CPU. Until something official comes out, we're stuck guessing. Even @50% clock boost, the CPU is still anemic. The PS4 Pro is going to get outclasses next year if the current rumors/leaks for Scorpio hold any water.

 

[jpiniero]

I don't recall the leaks every saying the clocks for the CPU. Until something official comes out, we're stuck guessing. Even @50% clock boost, the CPU is still anemic. The PS4 Pro is going to get outclasses next year if the current rumors/leaks for Scorpio hold any water.

Scorpio isn't really comparable though, since it's gonna be at least $599 and likely much more, which is too much for a console as Sony found out with the PS3.

 

[sxr7171]

it's a good bit slower than the 480... it's like locking a 480 at 910MHz and 6.8GHz memory.

but still, looks pretty good overall compared to the previous consoles; a shame that it's kind of going to be limited because of the 4K target and the limitations imposed by Sony regarding original PS4 compatibility and so on... if they could make games exclusive to the PS4Pro it would be a lot more interesting.

considering the Xbox One S sits at 1.4 TF at $299, this thing is 4.2 TF at $399 looks nice, but a 470 is faster than the PS4 Pro GPU anyway.

That's a good point. It's as if the PS4 pro versions will be crappy PS4 ports. Just like PC gamers suffer with. But I am hearing that devs have freedom. Some games will let you choose fps over detail settings and vice versa. So you can target 60fps or "4K" which I think will be some upscaled form of 4K.

They and MS with Scorpio are giving console gamers PC like video options.

Of course the Scorpio seems like a more beefy "PC" but $399 and first mover advantage + native VR option means this thing could really be popular.

Unless Scorpio will let you hook up a Vive or Oculus to it. In which case is say that's pretty cool.

More people on VR means more development in VR.

 

[wahdangun]

yeah, with ps4 pro you have a choice between
1. Upscale to 4K
2. 60 Fps (still in 1080p)
3. Maximize detail (still in 108oP)

the first option only available if you have 4K TV, and yes the console will detect your tv maximum resolution.

 

[Red Hawk]

The PS4 Pro basically gives you an RX-480 in a $400 box. The GPU part isn't bad. Like others have said, it's the fact that RAM is the same and the CPU is only marginally faster that will really bottleneck the PS4.

 

[dogen1]

The PS4 Pro basically gives you an RX-480 in a $400 box. The GPU part isn't bad. Like others have said, it's the fact that RAM is the same and the CPU is only marginally faster that will really bottleneck the PS4.

Not necessarily. They'll use the extra power in ways that will make sense. Higher resolution or detail. In some cases it will make a higher framerate possible.

 

[Dribble]

The GPU on it is basically a 480 running at 911 Mhz. Same 36 CUs and everything

Is it, doesn't look like that too me, power usage is too high, performance is too low? Looks much more like they doubled the existing GCN 1.1 cores and gave it a clock speed boost (I strongly suspect by the same amount as jaguar cores). That would give about the right performance numbers and power usage. It would also be backwards compatible with the existing PS4 games (you just run that game with half the gpu cores and at the lower cpu/gpu clock speed).

I don't doubt they have taken some polaris stuff (hdr 4k display output) but I suspect it's more likely the triangle crunching internals are the same as the old PS4.

 

[tviceman]

yeah, with ps4 pro you have a choice between
1. Upscale to 4K
2. 60 Fps (still in 1080p)
3. Maximize detail (still in 108oP)

the first option only available if you have 4K TV, and yes the console will detect your tv maximum resolution.

I doubt games will offer higher ceiling frame rates as an alternative to upscale rendering. 60fps vs 30fps could be a huge deal in multiplayer games, as well as offering a vastly better experience in single player games. Sony won't want to create trade offs other than higher fidelity, so I'm confident in guessing games will target the same frame rate regardless of what version is running.

 

[wahdangun]

I doubt games will offer higher ceiling frame rates as an alternative to upscale rendering. 60fps vs 30fps could be a huge deal in multiplayer games, as well as offering a vastly better experience in single player games. Sony won't want to create trade offs other than higher fidelity, so I'm confident in guessing games will target the same frame rate regardless of what version is running.

In multiplayer games yes it was restricted, but not in singgle player games.

 

[Mercennarius]

Scorpio isn't really comparable though, since it's gonna be at least $599 and likely much more, which is too much for a console as Sony found out with the PS3.

Scorpio won't be that much. Most sources have it launching around $450-$500.

 

[nathanddrews]

I've got to assume that Sony is just being extremely creative with balancing raw graphics power from Polaris, great multi-core usage from the CPU, offloading compute tasks to Polaris, and is definitely working some sort of upscaling magic in the frame buffer. What they're pulling off with that $399 box is pretty damned impressive. I'm most certainly considering buying one upon release.

Obligatory comment: "Total shame it doesn't include UHD Blu-ray playback."

 

[poofyhairguy]

considering the Xbox One S sits at 1.4 TF at $299, this thing is 4.2 TF at $399 looks nice

Only from a pure gaming perspective.

The One S can actually play UHD disks, and has more 4K streaming options for media. It's basically like a badass UHD Blu Ray player for about the same price as other UHD players plus it can play Xbox One games. Seeing as how someone buying a UHD TV is probably just as interested (probably even more interested) in 4K media over first gen 4K games the One S provides a much better value statement.

I can't figure out the whole PS4 Pro thing, right down to the name. Game consoles can't be "Pro" as they are pure entertainment consumption devices, unless this model has some extra game recording functionality (ie the Pros) that I don't know about. Add the weird name to no UHD disk compatibility and it being crazy weaker than Scorpio and I can't see the value statement in buying one unless you already don't own a PS4.

 

[ConsoleLover]

Its GREAT compared to the previous consoles, it beats every console hands down and some games that have struggled running on the PS4 like Bloodborne running at 20fps average are going to get a massive boost.

Compared to PC's its essentially a downclocked RX 470, so its still obviously lagging far behind, but its going to be great for 1080p highest settings gaming and reaching 60fps most of the time.

Seems like the Jaguar CPU has been overclocked to 2.2GHz which would give it a solid boost. Remember this is a console, so everything is on the board, there is no connectors and bridges and stuff like that, so consider minimum latency, on board fuses GDDR5 memory at even higher speeds of probably 7gbps, so overall a solid console and just $400 as well, that is really good!

 

[crisium]

So on paper it seems inbetween a 380X and 470 performance. Interesting. An upgrade from the ~ Radeon 7850 from the PS4.

On a side note, I bought a cheap PS4 during Christmas last year and have played it all about 4 hours in the 9 months since then. But that was $250 and this is $399 so I guess I didn't really miss out. If I care about graphics (which I do) that's what my PC is for.

Especially since it doesn't have UHD Bluray I guess I didn't miss out. What a strange role reversal from Sony with PS2 first DVD player console, PS3 first Bluray, and then to let MS be the first for UHD BR.

 

[railven]

I'm of opinion this thing is based on GCN 1.0/1.1 and Hawaii - not Polaris/GCN 4.0.

Would explain the power draw, and now seeing physical pictures of it's bigger than the PS4.

Also, where are people reading the CPU is 2.2 ghz? I still can't find anything official outside of speculation.

 

[zinfamous]

I've got to assume that Sony is just being extremely creative with balancing raw graphics power from Polaris, great multi-core usage from the CPU, offloading compute tasks to Polaris, and is definitely working some sort of upscaling magic in the frame buffer. What they're pulling off with that $399 box is pretty damned impressive. I'm most certainly considering buying one upon release.

Obligatory comment: "Total shame it doesn't include UHD Blu-ray playback."

yep. This is the one detail keeping me from even considering picking this thing up. The last console I bought was a PS3 back ~2007, which was explicitly to replace my then-broken DVD player (shocker: that was a PS2). The PS3 has been long sitting on a shelf because I haven't played a game on it since 2010 or so, I now have other streaming options on other devices, and a much better Sony BD player that cost ~$50. (It is one of those awesome 60gb PS3s with backwards compatibility and still works like a champ--but it also runs like a blast furnace when it is working.)

If I decide I want to start picking up a few UHD discs for my 4K TV, this would probably be the first time that I purchase an XBOX.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm of opinion this thing is based on GCN 1.0/1.1 and Hawaii - not Polaris/GCN 4.0.

Would explain the power draw, and now seeing physical pictures of it's bigger than the PS4.

Also, where are people reading the CPU is 2.2 ghz? I still can't find anything official outside of speculation.

It's like no one reads the front page anymore!

http://www.anandtech.com/show/10663/analyzing-sonys-playstation-4-pro-announcement

It's definitely Polaris (but not full 480); though not sure about the CPU frequency. Probably only guesstimates at this point for any numbers beyond 1.6