PSA: Beware of speed traps in podunk towns Lanagan, Goodman and Noel Missouri - Oklahoma speed traps re-instated

[doze]

breaking news : small towns give out speeding tickets to people just passing thru with out of state plates

and from your link

The road winds through this small town with a posted speed limit sign of 35 mph. We were doing less than 40 mph with a red pick up truck directly in front of us.

If you were doing over 35 then you were speeding. Is it just me or do those ticket amounts seem cheap? My last ticket for 11 over was like $165

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: doze
breaking news : small towns give out speeding tickets to people just passing thru with out of state plates

and from your link

The road winds through this small town with a posted speed limit sign of 35 mph. We were doing less than 40 mph with a red pick up truck directly in front of us.

If you were doing over 35 then you were speeding.

Is it just me or do those ticket amounts seem cheap?

My last ticket for 11 over was like $165

Well goody for you.

I'm sure premium increases on your insurance is no big deal to your deep pockets either.

We were doing 35 through the podunk town. At that point it drops off on a curve and had the foot on the brake. He was hiding behing the curve.

The red pick up with the local Missouri plates had his brakes on too and was the lead vehicle, explain how he let that one drive away.

Gosh he had to be doing at least 40.

Should we have stopped and pushed?

I have no problem with the guy dinging me for speeding for a safety issue for the actual speed I was doing not a padded speed for higher revenue.

Did you notice the fine price doubles from $32.50 1 to 5 mph to $72.50 for 6-10 mph and then $92.50 for 11-15 mph over.

I was doing 4 mph over and I would expect to be dinged for that amount, not a speed I was not doing. You go to that town and try to drive nearly 50 mph at that point. You can't do it without it being reckless driving.

 

[daniel1113]

This, among many reasons, is why speeding should not be a primary offense.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: doze
breaking news : small towns give out speeding tickets to people just passing thru with out of state plates

and from your link

The road winds through this small town with a posted speed limit sign of 35 mph. We were doing less than 40 mph with a red pick up truck directly in front of us.

If you were doing over 35 then you were speeding. Is it just me or do those ticket amounts seem cheap? My last ticket for 11 over was like $165

Theres a reason they are cheap, so it makes it not worth the time for people from other areas to come back. They want you to pay and nothing else. If it is to high then people would fight it.

 

[dmcowen674]

Poll added:

Do you support Speed Traps?

Some people cry that this is the only way a small town can make extra money and they support the thievery.

 

[dmcowen674]

4-10-07 Update

I called the little town to confirm the Sunday 4-15-07 6pm court date the officere wrote on the ticket and the clerk said the Officer must have looked at the wrong calendar that they have court once a month and it is on 4-19 thursday night at 6pm.

This guy should not be on the street, he has an obvious vision and accuracy problem.

The clerk was very upset when I told her about the website.

She said they are trying very hard to clean up the image of their town.

I told her that rogue cops like this officer is not helping their cause.


Cliffs:

Cop writes up for nearly 50 in a 35 when was no where near 40 on the speedometer.

Take off seat belt in front of the guy and he tries o srite up for no seat belt.

He writes down wrong court date.

 

[RiverDog]

Interesting, keep us informed with the results.

 

[Chunkee]

Next time, have some Krispy Kremes sitting in the passenger seat with the lid open so he can get a woft of those greasy pastries that he so loves...OR... NM

jC

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
4-10-07 Update

I called the little town to confirm the Sunday 4-15-07 6pm court date the officere wrote on the ticket and the clerk said the Officer must have looked at the wrong calendar that they have court once a month and it is on 4-19 thursday night at 6pm.

This guy should not be on the street, he has an obvious vision and accuracy problem.

The clerk was very upset when I told her about the website.

She said they are trying very hard to clean up the image of their town.

I told her that rogue cops like this officer is not helping their cause.


Cliffs:

Cop writes up for nearly 50 in a 35 when was no where near 40 on the speedometer.

Take off seat belt in front of the guy and he tries o srite up for no seat belt.

He writes down wrong court date.

Your poll has next to nothing to do with your problem. You admit you were speeding, and you say you don't mind getting "dinged" for the correct amount.

I support speed traps. There are speed limits for a reason. I just got my first ticket (via 'speed trap' aka well-hidden cop car) in more than 4 years... and I deserve many more than I've gotten. I was speeding, and I deserve my lumps.

Now, according to your story, this guy's not enforcing the law, he's going well beyond, and that I do NOT support. The problem, however, is that proving either way is expensive. That's why there are lawyers that specialize in speeding tickets, and even the bloated fines they 'negotiate' on your behalf to reduce the violation to a non-moving one are less expensive than proving the cop wrong. Even if you do make it your personal crusade to bring this through many courts and prove the city (via the cop representing it) acted improperly, you will accomplish little or nothing. It would be a long shot to even get your legal bills covered.

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: rivan

I support speed traps. There are speed limits for a reason. I just got my first ticket (via 'speed trap' aka well-hidden cop car) in more than 4 years... and I deserve many more than I've gotten. I was speeding, and I deserve my lumps.

You support corruption and entrapment as well?

Any proof for the reasoning behind speed limits? Let me guess: you will say, for "Safety". ?

Any proof that driving slower is safer?

 

[bignateyk]

Near where my parents live in Florida, there is a speed trap through a little town, but the funny thing is, the police actually put up a sign about a half mile before it that says "Speed Trap Ahead" or something to that effect, so it is quite clear that there is one there.

Yet people still get busted by it. I guess they think the sign is a joke?

 

[rivan]

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: rivan

I support speed traps. There are speed limits for a reason. I just got my first ticket (via 'speed trap' aka well-hidden cop car) in more than 4 years... and I deserve many more than I've gotten. I was speeding, and I deserve my lumps.

You support corruption and entrapment as well?

Read my whole post, please.

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
Any proof for the reasoning behind speed limits? Let me guess: you will say, for "Safety". ?
Any proof that driving slower is safer?

Are you implying that you can avoid crashing into someone who pulls out in front of you, 35' ahead of you, equally well when you're driving 85 and 35 mph? Interesting postulation.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
It's a shame that law enforcement is abused in many municipalities. When they change it from protecting its citizens to generating revenue, a huge transformation takes place. It becomes a conflict of interest, because there is now incentive to give out tickets aside from the fact if someone is actually breaking the law or not. What are you going to do, take it to the township court?

Do you think they're going to side with you?

Also, what do you think is safer and more profitable: patrolling the streets looking for crime, or sit perched on the side of the highway and write out traffic tickets?

They've become armed tax collectors, and that has nothing to do with public safety.

No but they will have to take the money out of my hands when I go back there April 15th at 6 pm.

I will also ask the Judge to remove the cop off the streets since he has an obvious sight problem. That can be very dangerous to the public.

I took the sealt belt off right in front of him when he yelled out I don't have a sealt belt on.

No sh!t Barney Fife, I had to take it off to get to my wallet I am sitting on.

dave is going back to jail. website and begging for money incoming.

 

[freebee]

This is something that has been going on a long time. I even go through the trouble of swapping for different "local" plates/cars when I travel. Even then, sometimes I'm driving a car with a different state plate than where I'm going. In those cases, I pick a dull/earth tone car to attract less attention. I also notice driving domestics (especially large american cars) will reduce harassment from the po-po.

Radar/laser detectors are also useful, though small towns will often cite bogus pacing methods in gauging your speed.

Small town cops are what triggered Rambo into his killing frenzy. Make them fear you. Use your Stallone voice when you get pulled over.

 

[Skotty]

Long as we are on Missouri, on the stretch of Highway 63 between Rolla and Jefferson City there is frequently a cop in the town of Vienna nailing people. The speed limit there drops briefly from 65 to 35 as you pass through the tiny town.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
PSA: Beware of speedtrap in Podunk town Lanagan, Missouri

Speed limit is 35 through tiny town, cop sits behind curve and pulls out of state drivers over and writes you up for way more than you are driving to pay his salary.

Also tries to write you up for no seat belt even when you have it on.

Update: Locals also warm about same situation of a town to the north and town to the south.

Goodman is just north of Anderson and is said to be even worse.

Noel is town to the south with a strip of bars on the river.

Updated with a link.

Will put up more pics as well as details for the other two nearby towns with speed traps.

Lanagan Speed Trap

Poll added:

Do you support Speed Traps?

Yes

No

4-10-07 Update

I called the little town to confirm the Sunday 4-15-07 6pm court date the officere wrote on the ticket and the clerk said the Officer must have looked at the wrong calendar that they have court once a month and it is on 4-19 thursday night at 6pm.

This guy should not be on the street, he has an obvious vision and accuracy problem.

The clerk was very upset when I told her about the website.

She said they are trying very hard to clean up the image of their town.

I told her that rogue cops like this officer is not helping their cause.


Cliffs:

Cop writes up for nearly 50 in a 35 when was no where near 40 on the speedometer.

Take off seat belt in front of the guy and he tries o srite up for no seat belt.

He writes down wrong court date.

dood...in these forums if you are going to have a poll you should at least require that those who participate be old enough to drive. Otherwise your poll is blatantly incorrect!!

Just a note...you never ever undo your safety belt when pulled over. You assume the policeman sawe you unhook it when the policeman at the time probably was looking elsewhere in your car for smuggled illegal immigrants or smuggled tobacco products!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Looks like this town is in violation of Missouri Law: 4.010

302.341. Moving traffic violation, failure to prepay fine or appear in court, license suspended, procedure ? reinstatement

when ? excessive revenue from fines to be distributed to schools.

. . . If any city, town or village receives more than forty-five percent of its total annual revenue from fines for

traffic violations occurring on state highways, all revenues from such violations in excess of forty-five percent of the

total annual revenue of the city, town or village shall be sent to the director of the department of revenue and shall be

distributed annually to the schools of the county in the same manner that proceeds of all penalties, forfeitures and fines

collected for any breach of the penal laws of the state are distributed.

4.010.Definitions
4. Notwithstanding the provisions of section 304.120 or any other provision of law to the contrary, cities, towns and

villages may regulate the speed of vehicles on state roads and highways within such cities?, towns? or villages? corporate

limits by ordinance with the approval of the state highways and transportation commission.

Any reduction of speed in cities, towns or villages shall be designed to expedite the flow of traffic on such state roads and highways to the extend consistent with public safety.

The commission may declare any ordinance void if it finds that such ordinance is:

(1) Not primarily designed to expedite traffic flow; and

(2) Primarily designed to produce revenue for the city, town or village which enacted such ordinance.

If an ordinance is declared void, the city, town or village shall have any future proposed ordinance approved by the highways and transportation commission before such ordinance may take effect.

I will file for a Freedom of Information act request Monday for them to provide how much revenue they are generating from traffic stops and ask for the engineering study showing the justification at that point on the road for an officer to be hiding there in the interest of "public safety".

whats interesting is to see somebody who tries to act so knowledgeable on other topics actuaslly sound like you are groveling when caca happens top you!!

If you approach this ticket like you approach other issues in ATOT then the police and judge will all get a good laugh at your expense!!

Whaqt county did you say that was in so that I may e-mail oh say 100 of your posts on other subjects to the county court house...hehehee


That way they will be aware of your LEGEND status before you appear!!

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: rivan
Your poll has next to nothing to do with your problem.

You admit you were speeding, and you say you don't mind getting "dinged" for the correct amount.

I support speed traps.

There are speed limits for a reason. I just got my first ticket (via 'speed trap' aka well-hidden cop car) in more than 4 years... and I deserve many more than I've gotten.

I was speeding, and I deserve my lumps.

Actually no I do not admit to speeding. If I was doing 4 mph over the limit, big fcking deal.

Show me the safety issue with that. Show me justificaton for speed trap.

There is a HUGE fvkin difference between 4 mph $32.50

Vs

12 mph which is $92.50

How bout you send me the difference since you love bogus entrapement so much and pay my higher insurance premiums too.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Just a note...you never ever undo your safety belt when pulled over.

You assume the policeman sawe you unhook it when the policeman at the time probably was looking elsewhere in your car for smuggled illegal immigrants or smuggled tobacco products!!

I had my belt on until he asked for the license and insurance which I was sitting on in my wallet. I unhooked the belt in front of his eyes and leaned right to get the wallet out and that is when he yelled out I don't have a seat belt on.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
whats interesting is to see somebody who tries to act so knowledgeable on other topics actuaslly sound like you are groveling when caca happens top you!!

If you approach this ticket like you approach other issues in ATOT then the police and judge will all get a good laugh at your expense!!

Whaqt county did you say that was in so that I may e-mail oh say 100 of your posts on other subjects to the county court house...hehehee

That way they will be aware of your LEGEND status before you appear!!

Go ahead. It's not a county, it's a little city of Lanagan. It's on my website.
I don't see an E-mail address for them but when I called the clerk she was pretty upset when I told her about the website.

She sounded like she was going to cry.

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Rubycon

Originally posted by: dr150

Originally posted by: dmcowen674
PSA: Beware of speedtrap in Podunk town Lanagan, Missouri

Speed limit is 35 through tiny town, cop sits behind curve and pulls out of state drivers over and writes you up for way more than you are driving to pay his salary.

Also tries to write you up for no seat belt even when you have it on.

Update: Locals also warm about same situation of a town to the north and town to the south.

Goodman is just north of Anderson and is said to be even worse.

Noel is town to the south with a strip of bars on the river.

Sounds like me.

I was an out-of-stater in my German automobile going through a podunk hole-in-the-Earth Oregon town. I get pulled over by a really fat sheriff in his Bronco doing "42" in a 35 (there was no mph signs in the "town" which took all of 35 seconds to pass through). I get a $150 ticket. Just last week, I got my renewable auto insurance quote. It went up by $220 for the next 6 month term.

Right now, by re-shopping auto insurers, my rate will still go up by $110!! (best case scenario)

LIFE IS GOOD. :disgust:


Lesson learned.....if you go through a small town, pay attention to the speed.

This probably wraps small town driving up. :laugh:

i was thinking of that movie the whole time reading this thread.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rivan
Your poll has next to nothing to do with your problem.

You admit you were speeding, and you say you don't mind getting "dinged" for the correct amount.

I support speed traps.

There are speed limits for a reason. I just got my first ticket (via 'speed trap' aka well-hidden cop car) in more than 4 years... and I deserve many more than I've gotten.

I was speeding, and I deserve my lumps.

Actually no I do not admit to speeding. If I was doing 4 mph over the limit, big fcking deal.

Show me the safety issue with that. Show me justificaton for speed trap.

There is a HUGE fvkin difference between 4 mph $32.50

Vs

12 mph which is $92.50

How bout you send me the difference since you love bogus entrapement so much and pay my higher insurance premiums too.

4 mph is still speeding. for all you know your spedometer is off.

 

[Mill]

Dave, is everything always someone else's fault. You play the victim more than any grown man I know.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: rivan
Your poll has next to nothing to do with your problem.

You admit you were speeding, and you say you don't mind getting "dinged" for the correct amount.

I support speed traps.

There are speed limits for a reason. I just got my first ticket (via 'speed trap' aka well-hidden cop car) in more than 4 years... and I deserve many more than I've gotten.

I was speeding, and I deserve my lumps.

Actually no I do not admit to speeding. If I was doing 4 mph over the limit, big fcking deal.

Show me the safety issue with that. Show me justificaton for speed trap.

There is a HUGE fvkin difference between 4 mph $32.50

Vs

12 mph which is $92.50

How bout you send me the difference since you love bogus entrapement so much and pay my higher insurance premiums too.

4 mph is still speeding. for all you know your spedometer is off.

Figures, Georgia :roll:

Even in Nascar they have a 5 mph buffer for pit lane.

Surprised you don't know that being from Georgia

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: doze
breaking news : small towns give out speeding tickets to people just passing thru with out of state plates

and from your link

The road winds through this small town with a posted speed limit sign of 35 mph. We were doing less than 40 mph with a red pick up truck directly in front of us.

If you were doing over 35 then you were speeding.

Is it just me or do those ticket amounts seem cheap?

My last ticket for 11 over was like $165

Well goody for you.

I'm sure premium increases on your insurance is no big deal to your deep pockets either.

We were doing 35 through the podunk town. At that point it drops off on a curve and had the foot on the brake. He was hiding behing the curve.

The red pick up with the local Missouri plates had his brakes on too and was the lead vehicle, explain how he let that one drive away.

Gosh he had to be doing at least 40.

Should we have stopped and pushed?

I have no problem with the guy dinging me for speeding for a safety issue for the actual speed I was doing not a padded speed for higher revenue.

Did you notice the fine price doubles from $32.50 1 to 5 mph to $72.50 for 6-10 mph and then $92.50 for 11-15 mph over.

I was doing 4 mph over and I would expect to be dinged for that amount, not a speed I was not doing. You go to that town and try to drive nearly 50 mph at that point. You can't do it without it being reckless driving.

i went thru this a couple months ago in paradise valley here in arizona. i was doing 47 in a 40, thought it was a 45 zone. a black jetta whipped past me at the intersection and the radar camera went off. got the ticket in the mail, went to the court and showed in their pics the jetta passing me in the intersection. i admitted i was doing 47, since i thought it was a 45 zone. they told me "well, you were speeding either way, and you are taking the traffic course to fix it. does it really matter that it says 57 instead of 47?" good point, i paid the school fee that was the same regardless of the speed written and have no points. done and done.