PSA: Dog/Cat Pet Owners

shortylickens

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Soooooo.........
The super expensive shit is much better than the super cheap shit.
Who could have figured that?
 

thescreensavers

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Soooooo.........
The super expensive shit is much better than the super cheap shit.
Who could have figured that?


Not really the Wellness Core ( 6 stars) stuff is 51 bucks for 26 lbs the stuff we are giving her is $55 for 16 lbs so it would be cheaper.
 

shortylickens

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OK, I must admit I am surprised that Science Diet is rated so poorly. I always thought that was good stuff. Certainly costs enough.
Guess they did a Bose. "Better profits through marketing".

The so-called reviews are really just the guy reading the list of ingredients from the bag and giving his personal opinion. Nothing here about someone who fed their dog that food for a year and observed the results.
But I will agree with the guy that any dog food which includes cheap fillers is shit and should be avoided.
The problem here is bad pet owners dont care, they just feed their dog the cheapest thing they can find.
Good pet owners already know to look at the ingredients before buying.
 
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thescreensavers

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The so-called reviews are really just the guy reading the list of ingredients from the bag and giving his personal opinion. Nothing here about someone who fed their dog that food for a year and observed the results.
But I will agree with the guy that any dog food which includes cheap fillers is shit and should be avoided.
The problem here is bad pet owners dont care, they just feed their dog the cheapest thing they can find.
Good pet owners already know to look at the ingredients before buying.

That is true, my dog has energy and does not seem like the food is "bad", but her coat and skin is not doing so well and it had me searching and came across the site. The Groomer and the mom and pop pet shop down the road also say the food we give her is bad but we have been feeding it to her since her bladder stone, its a "Urinary prescription" food she has been fine since so we are just a bit cautious to change it and have her have have a bladder stone or problems again, so which is why I am looking into it now.
 

tfinch2

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Did a search for purina and it turned up no results. I'm not going to waste my time wading through a list of brands I have never heard of.
 

joebloggs10

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I find the site to be full of fail.

1) Food rated 6-star w/o having been reviewed
2) Food rated 6-star w/2 of top-3 ingredients being meal
3) Food recommended by several breeder and vet friends is 4-star behind a 6-star food they tell me to avoid like the plague b/c it causes seizure.
 

Capt Caveman

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I've been using the site for several years to assist me on selecting foods for my dogs. I think the biggest benefit of the site is to educate people on understanding the ingredients that are in their dog food. But like any site, you don't take it for the gospel.

When I adopted one of my dogs last year, he was on Timberwolf Bison. He had a poor coat and chronic ear infections. I used the site to research other brands and started him on Orijen's foods. Now, he has a beautiful coat and gets compliments all of time. His ear infections have also gone away.
 

rockyct

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What scientific basis do they use these rankings? Seems completely arbitrary and able to change with the newest fad. Our vet recommended Science Diet for our cats for years (of course because she was getting a kick back from them) but all of a sudden she says Science Diet is pure crap (no Science Diet food in the waiting area now unlike before) and to shop at X local pet food store because they only carry good food...Like hell I'm going to pay $1.50 for a 5.5 oz. can of cat food at the local food store. We still give the cats Science Diet because they like it and are both quite healthy. The boy cat is almost five and his fur feels like kitten fur it's so soft. Technically, we do shop at a local pet store, Petco. Its headquarters is based in San Diego.
 

thescreensavers

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I find the site to be full of fail.

1) Food rated 6-star w/o having been reviewed
2) Food rated 6-star w/2 of top-3 ingredients being meal
3) Food recommended by several breeder and vet friends is 4-star behind a 6-star food they tell me to avoid like the plague b/c it causes seizure.

Its a dry food so it has to be in meal form? Whats bad about ingredients being a "meal"

I could not find any food called like that. I want to look into it so I can avoid it, if it does indeed cause seizures
 
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shortylickens

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What scientific basis do they use these rankings? Seems completely arbitrary and able to change with the newest fad. Our vet recommended Science Diet for our cats for years (of course because she was getting a kick back from them) but all of a sudden she says Science Diet is pure crap (no Science Diet food in the waiting area now unlike before) and to shop at X local pet food store because they only carry good food...Like hell I'm going to pay $1.50 for a 5.5 oz. can of cat food at the local food store. We still give the cats Science Diet because they like it and are both quite healthy. The boy cat is almost five and his fur feels like kitten fur it's so soft. Technically, we do shop at a local pet store, Petco. Its headquarters is based in San Diego.

Your dog needing protein and not grain isnt a fad.
And science diet apparently wasnt a fad just like Bose isnt a fad. Its all about marketing. The vets probably got kickbacks from someone.
Ever look around a modern doctors office? All their pens and notepads and clipboards are sponsored by some drug company.
 

DrPizza

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To dispute what shorty is suggesting & the first paragraph in their FAQ: "As we’ve already noted, most dry pet foods are based on grains or other plant material. But the animals we’re feeding them to are carnivores and should be eating a diet that is mainly made up of meat"

Wrong.
Modern domesticated dogs have grown up alongside man, eating man's scraps for millenia. If anyone has a claim that it wasn't enough time for digestive systems to evolve/adjust, then I want them to explain why among all the animals, it's humans whose digestive systems have changed to allow us to consume milk & deal with the lactose at older ages. (Well, most of us; some people can't tolerate lactose when they're older.)

If you want to feed your dog a good diet, a lot cheaper than these 6-star brands, then start eating a good, balanced diet yourself, then give the dog table scraps. If you believe the bullshit that your dog needs a very high protein diet, then go to the store & buy a shitload of chicken & cheaper cuts of beef. Should run around $2 per pound, compared to the $3-something per pound that people listed above.

But at least they got this right: "Once you have selected a good quality dog food, that’s all you need to feed, right? Not really. You should vary your dog’s food periodically. There are many good reasons for this:" I constantly hear people saying "never change brands of dog food once you start feeding them."

fwiw, every person who purchases expensive dog food seems to love to tell everyone how well they're spoiling their dog with "only the best possible food!" They always include, "it's $$ for a small bag, but it's worth it." I'm fairly convinced that the market doesn't exist to give dogs better food - it's there to give people something to use to one-up their coworkers.
 

GoodRevrnd

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RE: Science Diet
http://www.ourdogsonline.com/content/sciencedietscam.html

Also, there's nothing wrong with meal. It's the only way to keep protein content up in a dry food. When you see something that says "by-product," that's a problem

As far as grains... I really don't think dogs grew up alongside man eating bread or feed. Early on in domestication it wasn't even available and they ate carcass remnants and such. As time progressed I'm sure their diet got more varied, incorporating fruits and vegetables (think about it though, they could have foraged for these on their own) and even a bit of grain. It just doesn't seem logical to suggest that grain ever became a remotely significant portion of their diet. Most modern dog food heavily incorporates grain, and what's worse, a lot of modern dog food doesn't even use grain as filler, it's often just empty bullshit like peanut hulls. There's nothing wrong with starch (potatoes, yams), but I think it's better to just avoid grains. You're right about feeding "raw" though, but that's more than a lot of people can handle and you have to be very careful you don't deprive the dog of other nutrients.

As far as my dogs go, they used to eat Canidae (which had grain in it) until they decided to mix up the formula and added barley in addition to rice. This made my dogs sicker than shit. After switching to Orijen (grain free) they quickly got much better and were significantly healthier and had richer coats (my vet always wonders how their coats are so perfect) than they ever did on Canidae. Dogs in general seem to be a bit fickle though about the types of food that are best for each individual pet.
 
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Bignate603

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To dispute what shorty is suggesting & the first paragraph in their FAQ: "As we’ve already noted, most dry pet foods are based on grains or other plant material. But the animals we’re feeding them to are carnivores and should be eating a diet that is mainly made up of meat"

Wrong.
Modern domesticated dogs have grown up alongside man, eating man's scraps for millenia. If anyone has a claim that it wasn't enough time for digestive systems to evolve/adjust, then I want them to explain why among all the animals, it's humans whose digestive systems have changed to allow us to consume milk & deal with the lactose at older ages. (Well, most of us; some people can't tolerate lactose when they're older.)

If you want to feed your dog a good diet, a lot cheaper than these 6-star brands, then start eating a good, balanced diet yourself, then give the dog table scraps. If you believe the bullshit that your dog needs a very high protein diet, then go to the store & buy a shitload of chicken & cheaper cuts of beef. Should run around $2 per pound, compared to the $3-something per pound that people listed above.

But at least they got this right: "Once you have selected a good quality dog food, that’s all you need to feed, right? Not really. You should vary your dog’s food periodically. There are many good reasons for this:" I constantly hear people saying "never change brands of dog food once you start feeding them."

fwiw, every person who purchases expensive dog food seems to love to tell everyone how well they're spoiling their dog with "only the best possible food!" They always include, "it's $$ for a small bag, but it's worth it." I'm fairly convinced that the market doesn't exist to give dogs better food - it's there to give people something to use to one-up their coworkers.

I've got to agree with most of this. If you take a look at that site all of the highest rated stuff is expensive stuff from small companies. People (especially people with more money than sense) love to think that the big corporation is evil and the little guy can work wonders. That's not to say that all the food from the big companies is good, but if you look at the ratings on their site it seems like all the recognizable brand names are 0 to 1 stars while the smaller brands are rated significantly higher than that. I've got to believe that at least SOME of the larger brands are decent.
 

GoodRevrnd

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I've got to agree with most of this. If you take a look at that site all of the highest rated stuff is expensive stuff from small companies. People (especially people with more money than sense) love to think that the big corporation is evil and the little guy can work wonders. That's not to say that all the food from the big companies is good, but if you look at the ratings on their site it seems like all the recognizable brand names are 0 to 1 stars while the smaller brands are rated significantly higher than that. I've got to believe that at least SOME of the larger brands are decent.

Most of the big brands are owned by larger corporations (Mars, P&G) that use dog food as a means to dispose of byproducts from the production of human food. While I realize this isn't universally bad (after all they evolved on scraps), in many many instances it is.
 

Bignate603

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Most of the big brands are owned by larger corporations (Mars, P&G) that use dog food as a means to dispose of byproducts from the production of human food. While I realize this isn't universally bad (after all they evolved on scraps), in many many instances it is.

I can believe that many of the foods from the larger companies aren't the best, but I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single food made by a large company that's decent while everything that small companies make is significantly better. If they had at least something from a recognizable name that had a decent rating I'd find it all more believable.
 

Capt Caveman

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I can believe that many of the foods from the larger companies aren't the best, but I find it very hard to believe that there is not a single food made by a large company that's decent while everything that small companies make is significantly better. If they had at least something from a recognizable name that had a decent rating I'd find it all more believable.

All you need to do is research the ingredients. The reason I think you don't see large companies introduce higher quality dog foods is b/c of cost. They're into sales volume and if they had to charge more for their products, you'd see a reduction in sales which would necessitate that they create smaller batches of these products which isn't cost/production efficient.
 
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