PSA: Don't Buy Steam Keys That Seem Too Good To Be True

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Adam8281

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*Gulp* Well then. By chance do you know the username of the person you bought the game from? I got my copy for $30 on ebay from "steamgames" (I think) who was from Vietnam. I am perfectly okay with losing the $30 but I honestly wasn't aware you couldn't buy these keys.

If I lose my steam account; however, I will probably stop gaming.

What I don't understand is how do they get their money back from steam after 45 days of sale to you. That seems odd to me. I haven't had the game for 45 days yet so if he did a mass pull of his "gifts" I should be okay. If he's biding his time, well then I'll lose $30 which is not too bad as I will probably have played 80% of total game time by then anyways.

I don't remember the username, because like I said, I didn't actually purchase on eBay, but followed a link to the seller's actual webpage. The webpage was called www.steam-cloud.com . It was a pretty slick-looking site, had many different games to choose from, and checkout system was easy, but now it's no longer hosted :\
 

tk149

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This is why I do not buy much from Steam. There have been several people here who have had their accounts revoked for BS reasons, and they have no recourse.

Steam is trying to kill the resale market. Screw that.
 

Adam8281

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Question for those who know about this kind of thing: If I file a dispute for my payment to this guy with my CC company (I paid him through PayPal, using my CC), will the chargeback go against PayPal, or against the individual I bought the game from? If it goes against PayPal, I would think that wouldn't do me any good, because then PayPal might just take the funds out of my bank account.
 

I4AT

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Anyone with half a brain will withdraw their money as soon as they receive it. If there's no money in the offender's account, PayPal can't do anything but lock their account up. A chargeback is gonna get you nowhere.
 

digitaldurandal

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My EADM keys I bought from the ebay chinaman are still working quite nicely after a year and change. Of course I went into it with my eyes open - the prices were in my "disposable funds" range, so if they got banned after a few months, I'd have already gotten my money's worth.

If you are willing to buy stolen goods why not simply pirate the game and hurt only the company instead of both the company and someone who got their credit card numbers stolen.

Also there are plenty of legit sites to buy keys for games on like g2play.com why go vietnamese?
 

Adam8281

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If you are willing to buy stolen goods why not simply pirate the game and hurt only the company instead of both the company and someone who got their credit card numbers stolen.

Also there are plenty of legit sites to buy keys for games on like g2play.com why go vietnamese?

I'm pretty sure g2play is selling foreign keys.
 

irishScott

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This is why I do not buy much from Steam. There have been several people here who have had their accounts revoked for BS reasons, and they have no recourse.

Steam is trying to kill the resale market. Screw that.

Steam realizes that a lot (if not the majority) of people read a review or two before buying a game and have no real motivation to resell.
 

digitaldurandal

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I'm pretty sure g2play is selling foreign keys.

That is different than being a foreign run and non legit site. They are selling keys that they got for cheap in another country, the company is still making profits off of the sales just at a different rate than in the US, and also no one is getting hurt by stole CCs.
 

Adam8281

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That is different than being a foreign run and non legit site. They are selling keys that they got for cheap in another country, the company is still making profits off of the sales just at a different rate than in the US, and also no one is getting hurt by stole CCs.

Right, but I said this because you earlier implied that SunnyD's buying a key off eBay from a "Chinaman" was "buying stolen goods," even though no one had said anything about the key being stolen, or bought with a stolen CC. All SunnyD said was that he bought a key from a foreigner - YOU said that he was buying stolen goods or goods bought with a stolen CC, despite there being no reason to think so. Yet you held out G2Play as a "legit" alternative. My point was that if the mere act of buying a foreign Steam key counts as "theft" to you, then it should be the same with G2Play (who, I'd venture, Steam is not happy about, and could revoke keys from if so inclined since they're violating Steam's TOS).
 

Lonyo

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That is different than being a foreign run and non legit site. They are selling keys that they got for cheap in another country, the company is still making profits off of the sales just at a different rate than in the US, and also no one is getting hurt by stole CCs.

Some U.S. customers looking to save a few bucks by purchasing the game from overseas vendors have recently found themselves locked out of the game. Although the games were purchased legally and activated without difficulty, starting about a week later gamers were met with "incorrect territory" warnings and unplayable games.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...-to-Foreign-Purchased-Orange-Box-Key-Lockouts

g2play is somehow different?
Fact is, Valve can and have revoked access to games legally purchased using keys from the "wrong" area. Maybe that's what happened to the OP, maybe not, but don't assume it's got anything to do with stolen CCs when Valve have been known to revoke access before.

See also Method #4 on this page: http://www.coflash.com/steam/
"Risk: Lots."

Valve doesn't like you buying games for cheaper than they want to sell them to you, and can, have and will remove them from accounts, "legit" site or not.
 

boozie

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If you are willing to buy stolen goods why not simply pirate the game and hurt only the company instead of both the company and someone who got their credit card numbers stolen.

Also there are plenty of legit sites to buy keys for games on like g2play.com why go vietnamese?

Yea I think you are completely misunderstanding Digital. You can only buy steam keys from authorized resellers. G 2 Play is not authorized so you are in the same boat as us if you have bought from them. (http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=990908)


Gift keys are not to be paid for either, ever.
 

digitaldurandal

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Right, but I said this because you earlier implied that SunnyD's buying a key off eBay from a "Chinaman" was "buying stolen goods," even though no one had said anything about the key being stolen, or bought with a stolen CC. All SunnyD said was that he bought a key from a foreigner - YOU said that he was buying stolen goods or goods bought with a stolen CC, despite there being no reason to think so. Yet you held out G2Play as a "legit" alternative. My point was that if the mere act of buying a foreign Steam key counts as "theft" to you, then it should be the same with G2Play (who, I'd venture, Steam is not happy about, and could revoke keys from if so inclined since they're violating Steam's TOS).

I never said that at all. I never said buying from a foreign site was theft. He said he bought it from some vietnamese site that seemed shady and he had never heard of.

Edit maybe I am wrong but I bought some keys from g2play but I think they were EA download manager
 

digitaldurandal

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Well it looks like g2play sells keys that are not steam based but off of boxes from other countries. I do not see how steam could revoke it.

Edit: they revoke it because they are not an authorized retailer.

In my opinion that is some bullshit. So because in America we make a few more dollars we cannot get the same price as they do in poor countries?

I wonder if you can fight it and say you were in the country and bought it, if it is not a region restricted game, afterall g2play sends you a scan of the cdkey. Supposedly they keep the boxes so you can send a pic of your box too lol.
 
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Anteaus

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This is why I do not buy much from Steam. There have been several people here who have had their accounts revoked for BS reasons, and they have no recourse.

Steam is trying to kill the resale market. Screw that.

What resale market? You might be able to find the occasional used PC game on ebay, but activation and feature codes killed resale. That being said, rarely anyone gets revoked for BS reasons. Usually it's because they get caught cheating online or they purchased stolen keys or keys bought with stolen credit cards. On the rare occasion a mistake is made, Steam will usually make everything right.

How to avoid this? Don't buy Steam keys that aren't supplied by Steam directly or via gifting and if gifted make sure you know the person so that you know it isn't bought with a stolen card. The only way you can get a legit steam key outside of steam is if a game has Steamworks, and even then the game has to be opened to acquire it.

Long story short, assume all "loose" Steam keys are suspect and you won't have to worry.
 

zerocool84

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It's the same thing as buying an Xbox game in China cus it's cheap and trying to play it on your North American system.
 

tk149

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What resale market? You might be able to find the occasional used PC game on ebay, but activation and feature codes killed resale. That being said, rarely anyone gets revoked for BS reasons. Usually it's because they get caught cheating online or they purchased stolen keys or keys bought with stolen credit cards. On the rare occasion a mistake is made, Steam will usually make everything right.

How to avoid this? Don't buy Steam keys that aren't supplied by Steam directly or via gifting and if gifted make sure you know the person so that you know it isn't bought with a stolen card. The only way you can get a legit steam key outside of steam is if a game has Steamworks, and even then the game has to be opened to acquire it.

Long story short, assume all "loose" Steam keys are suspect and you won't have to worry.

A couple of people here have posted about how they lost their paid-for games for BS reasons, and how they were unable to convince Steam's service reps otherwise. IIRC, none of these reasons had to do with gifting.
 

zinfamous

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Next, OP will create a post warning us not to trust this Nigerian Prince that he's been dealing with.
 

Anteaus

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A couple of people here have posted about how they lost their paid-for games for BS reasons, and how they were unable to convince Steam's service reps otherwise. IIRC, none of these reasons had to do with gifting.

Unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if these people were telling the whole story. You'd be surprised how people omit facts to make themselves look like a complete victim.

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's hardly an epidemic or systemic. Also, a few posts on a forum hardly constitutes a realistic sampling, given that Steam has many many thousands of daily users that have no problems at all. People don't exactly post on here every time it works fine. I myself have about 50 games on Steam and have never had a problem.

Some people simply don't like Steam or what it stands for. This is a perfectly reasonable opinion, but it doesn't automatically mean Steam doesn't provide a good service or deal with people with people in a reasonable way. Just like with most things, if you look at it on a case by case basis, you'll find that Steam works as expected in over 99% of cases or at least there is a reasonable explanation if not.
 

Skurge

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Unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if these people were telling the whole story. You'd be surprised how people omit facts to make themselves look like a complete victim.

Like I said earlier, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it's hardly an epidemic or systemic. Also, a few posts on a forum hardly constitutes a realistic sampling, given that Steam has many many thousands of daily users that have no problems at all. People don't exactly post on here every time it works fine. I myself have about 50 games on Steam and have never had a problem.

Some people simply don't like Steam or what it stands for. This is a perfectly reasonable opinion, but it doesn't automatically mean Steam doesn't provide a good service or deal with people with people in a reasonable way. Just like with most things, if you look at it on a case by case basis, you'll find that Steam works as expected in over 99% of cases or at least there is a reasonable explanation if not.

Yep, if you can prove you paid for the game then (CC info, scan of invoice, etc) you'll be fine and get your account back. They only way you won't is if you can't do that or you knowingly broke the TOS.
 

uli2000

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Jul 28, 2006
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You're lucky, actually. I've heard of Steam disabling entire accounts in cases like this.

What I was going to say. I remember hearing about tons of people who got their whole steam accounts banned by buying the Orange Box for ~$20 from Asian vendors when it first came out.
 
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