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kwalkingcraze

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And in terms of bang-for-buck performance, I rate them pretty highly. Sure, they're $100, which a Haswell Celeron G1840, if available, is around $60-70 NIB, but you get SO MUCH MORE performance.
I think Celeron G1620 or Pentium G2020 wins the title here, both are almost identical in performance to Celeron G1840, and they're now less than $12 used.
 

eddman

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I suppose an i3-8100 would be the better choice. The only missing pieces are 300 series non-Z boards.
 
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VirtualLarry

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I suppose an i3-8100 would be the better choice.
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@kwalkingcraze was basically predicting a shortage of i3-8100 CPUs, much like we've been seeing of the G4560 CPUs.

Should be a brisk seller. What's not to love, a real Intel quad-core for barely over $100. (What is it, $117 list or something like that?)

Not overclockable though, which is a real bummer to me.
 

VirtualLarry

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I think Celeron G1620 or Pentium G2020 wins the title here, both are almost identical in performance to Celeron G1840, and they're now less than $12 used.
I mean, am I wrong about my whole premise in this thread? I was predicating my choices, basically, on "buying new".

Last time I looked for G1840 CPUs on ebay, they were hovering around $60 for the cheapest. (I know that I've purchased them in the past, new, for like $43, back in the day.)

The performance increase, of a G4560 or a Ryzen 3 1200 (when OCed), seems so much more worth it, for $40 more for the CPU price, ignoring issues about motherboards and RAM prices for now.

A G1620, while cheap and available, doesn't have much in the way of available motherboards for it, does it? Whereas, you can get (on a good sale), a B350 AM4 board for $60. Complete with PCI-E 3.0 x16, M.2, and four SATA6G ports, and a front USB3.0 header.
 

DrMrLordX

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Haswell i5-4460 here. Try to convince me why I should side-grade or upgrade my CPU, when I don't do much in the way of compute-heavy work.

Nah, you're fine. The point is that buying a 4460 today, or at any point in the future, is probably a poor investment.

Guys, Larry used to love low end tech. Now, he has standards, and convincing people to upgrade.



For any long time member, this is huge. This is a big deal guys.
If Larry is telling you low end tech sucks, it sucks.

I don't think this is a matter of low-end versus not low-end. It's a matter of what's changing in the PC industry. We're seeing an enormous increase in processing power per watt and per dollar spent on initial purchase price. Buying anything pre-Ryzen/Kabylake is a recipe for wasted money. If you already have AM3+ or FM2+ or . . . whatever older stuff you have now and want to stay with it, fine, but I think Larry has hit the nail on the head. Actually buying the tech today is a fool's errand.

LOL. Anyone want to guess, how many cores CPUs will have by 2020? (Only 3 years away!)

I'm thinking, 8C/16T will be mainstream, and cutting-edge mainstream (at least, 7nm Zen 2-based CPUs) will be 12C/24T.

I'm also hoping for at least a (tiny) on-package GPU for regular Zen 2 CPUs, that would really make them work for business PCs, which really need at least a tiny iGPU for desktop tasks.

2020 will probably see mainstream 8c/16t. Nothing really radical. I don't know that we'll see Zen2 go over 8c either, when AMD may spend more time focusing on higher clockspeeds and higher IPC instead.
 

Hans Gruber

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I now have a 4620,4560 and a 1200. I paid respectively $70 for the 4620, $55 for the 4560 and $85 for the 1200. The 1200 was just completed last night and is undergoing extensive testing. 3800ghz is easy. Got 3900ghz without much trouble. Crashed on 4ghz but I didn't have the voltage above 1.3v
I have 3200mhz ram but the fastest I have got it to so far is 3066mhz. 2933mhz is very stable. It seems they update the B350 bios every few weeks.

I have a couple of hours testing the 1200 on CS:GO. It runs that buggy game very smooth. I have no complaints about the Pentium series of CPU's other than I think people who game would want 4 cores. Months ago it made sense to go with the Pentium but with Coffee Lake around the corner, not so much any more.

The 1200 is a very good processor the closer you get to 4ghz.
 
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VirtualLarry

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I now have a 4620,4560 and a 1200. I paid respectively $70 for the 4620, $55 for the 4560 and $85 for the 1200.
Nice prices. You're apparently a better hot-dealer than I.

The 1200 was just completed last night and is undergoing extensive testing. 3800ghz is easy. Got 3900ghz without much trouble.
What voltages were you trying, for 3800 and 3900? I was able to just dial-in 3800 and 1.350V easy-peasy on my two R3 1200 CPUs, but the one that I tried to push to 3900, didn't want to go. I didn't try the other one.

Crashed on 4ghz but I didn't have the voltage above 1.3v
I have 3200mhz ram but the fastest I have got it to so far is 3066mhz. 2933mhz is very stable. It seems they update the B350 bios every few weeks.

I have a couple of hours testing the 1200 on CS:GO. It runs that buggy game very smooth. I have no complaints about the Pentium series of CPU's other than I think people who game would want 4 cores. Months ago it made sense to go with the Pentium but with Coffee Lake around the corner, not so much any more.

The 1200 is a very good processor the closer you get to 4ghz.
Yeah. So many people (Intel fans?) put down the R3 1200, because of it's anemic 3.1Ghz base-clock speed, but overlook the fact that it's overclockable (if you use something better than an A320-chipset board) to 3.8Ghz really easily, using the stock cooler included in the box (no expensive cooler to buy).
In many ways, it's like AMD's G3258. (Although, in other ways, it's not exactly like that.)

It's quite a budget bargain, and in my testing, outperforms the G4560 in both ST and MT, once clocked at 3.8Ghz or above.

Edit: To add, I look forward to testing the R3 1200's competition, the i3-8100 and i3-8350K, in the next few months.
 
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Hans Gruber

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Nice prices. You're apparently a better hot-dealer than I.


What voltages were you trying, for 3800 and 3900? I was able to just dial-in 3800 and 1.350V easy-peasy on my two R3 1200 CPUs, but the one that I tried to push to 3900, didn't want to go. I didn't try the other one.


Yeah. So many people (Intel fans?) put down the R3 1200, because of it's anemic 3.1Ghz base-clock speed, but overlook the fact that it's overclockable (if you use something better than an A320-chipset board) to 3.8Ghz really easily, using the stock cooler included in the box (no expensive cooler to buy).
In many ways, it's like AMD's G3258. (Although, in other ways, it's not exactly like that.)

It's quite a budget bargain, and in my testing, outperforms the G4560 in both ST and MT, once clocked at 3.8Ghz or above.

Edit: To add, I look forward to testing the R3 1200's competition, the i3-8100 and i3-8350K, in the next few months.

Larry,
Here is my most recent benchmark of the R3 1200 system that I put together last night. I have 3200mhz ram and 2933mhz is what I have it running at. I think I got it to boot and 3066mhz but I am still in the testing phase. The newer bios updates are a must within the Ryzen platform for memory compatibility.
http://www.userbenchmark.com/UserRun/5223970
 

kwalkingcraze

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Nice prices. You're apparently a better hot-dealer than I. .
I consider myself a very-aggressive hot-dealer. Let's see, I've bought 3 G4560s for $51.99 each, 4 G4620s from Fry's for $59 each this weekend, 3 G3258s for $35 each in 2015, and 2 A10-7860Ks for $65 each. For used CPUs, A6-5400K for $15 each, Phenom X2 560 for $10 each, Pentium G870 for $4 I won, Pentium G2030 for FREE that seller accidentally refunded my money, and etc. No AM4 yet, and I'm fine with AM3+.
 

Hans Gruber

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I consider myself a very-aggressive hot-dealer. Let's see, I've bought 3 G4560s for $51.99 each, 4 G4620s from Fry's for $59 each this weekend, 3 G3258s for $35 each in 2015, and 2 A10-7860Ks for $65 each. For used CPUs, A6-5400K for $15 each, Phenom X2 560 for $10 each, Pentium G870 for $4 I won, Pentium G2030 for FREE that seller accidentally refunded my money, and etc. No AM4 yet, and I'm fine with AM3+.
I consider myself a very-aggressive hot-dealer. Let's see, I've bought 3 G4560s for $51.99 each, 4 G4620s from Fry's for $59 each this weekend, 3 G3258s for $35 each in 2015, and 2 A10-7860Ks for $65 each. For used CPUs, A6-5400K for $15 each, Phenom X2 560 for $10 each, Pentium G870 for $4 I won, Pentium G2030 for FREE that seller accidentally refunded my money, and etc. No AM4 yet, and I'm fine with AM3+.
Very impressive numbers.
 
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Just ordered me a G4400 as a stopgap file server. I want a badass home server, but @ $49 this will work for pushing files. After I build my MP box, I will just sell or give away the Pentium setup. I will have no use for it. I suppose I could just save the parts in a their boxes in case I ever need a temp machine for emergency. It's nice to have a backup plan.
 

Hans Gruber

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Just ordered me a G4400 as a stopgap file server. I want a badass home server, but @ $49 this will work for pushing files. After I build my MP box, I will just sell or give away the Pentium setup. I will have no use for it. I suppose I could just save the parts in a their boxes in case I ever need a temp machine for emergency. It's nice to have a backup plan.

Your signature shows you already have a hot rod system. The G4400 will serve you well for your file server system. A true budget processor.
 
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Your signature shows you already have a hot rod system. The G4400 will serve you well for your file server system. A true budget processor.

I only got it because it was cheap. I have plans on a dual Xeon monster server. I have much of the parts. Waiting on the mobo/cpu purchase until there is a consumer friendly (read big & quiet) cpu cooler for the new LGA 3647. So, I migrated my A4-3300 over to the new case and was having all sorts of issues. Ideally, it should fire up and work like it did in its old case. Nope. Nothing but problems with the Foxconn motherboard. I will never get a Foxconn branded motherboard again in my life. That thing was flaky from the beginning. I can't stand an unstable computer.

So, I decided to go ahead and get a cpu/mobo and get my file server up and running. It's been down for almost a month. That makes me sad. So, I'm hoping that this will hold me over for at least six months until Noctua or whomever makes me a big quiet heatsink. My server will reside next to me in my home office and quiet is a must.

I appreciate the encouragement.
 

Hans Gruber

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I only got it because it was cheap. I have plans on a dual Xeon monster server. I have much of the parts. Waiting on the mobo/cpu purchase until there is a consumer friendly (read big & quiet) cpu cooler for the new LGA 3647. So, I migrated my A4-3300 over to the new case and was having all sorts of issues. Ideally, it should fire up and work like it did in its old case. Nope. Nothing but problems with the Foxconn motherboard. I will never get a Foxconn branded motherboard again in my life. That thing was flaky from the beginning. I can't stand an unstable computer.

So, I decided to go ahead and get a cpu/mobo and get my file server up and running. It's been down for almost a month. That makes me sad. So, I'm hoping that this will hold me over for at least six months until Noctua or whomever makes me a big quiet heatsink. My server will reside next to me in my home office and quiet is a must.

I appreciate the encouragement.
I use an old Thermalright ultra 120, timeless cooler and a Xigmatek 1283 just like the thermalright 120 for the G4560 and G4620 that I built. Cool and quiet.
 

bigboxes

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I use an old Thermalright ultra 120, timeless cooler and a Xigmatek 1283 just like the thermalright 120 for the G4560 and G4620 that I built. Cool and quiet.

That's a little overkill for these chips. I too have a Thermalright Ultra 120 with a Noctua fan. Of course, I no longer need it so it just sits in a box.
 

bigboxes

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The chip feels so small. Haven't had budget Intel chip in a long time. I got a handful of Celerons in a box.

Also, bought a couple of SATA III 4 port controller cards. Can't hook up 9+ drives to a budget board. LOL
 

VirtualLarry

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LOL. I save the case badge pages off of my CPU manuals that I get. Not sure what I'm going to do with them. Kind of tacky and OEM-ish to actually stick them onto the front of a case, and most cases don't have "badge" areas either, unless they are specifically a "system builder" case.
 

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A4-3300 has already been $5 since early-2016. A4-3420 has successfully reached $5 since this summer from $17 in early-2016 that VirtualLarry bought some. Depreciation never stops.

It was the cheapest APU I could find. It was a stop gap measure when my previous file server had failed. I've always thought it was crap, but it did the trick. I got the Foxconn mobo because it was full ATX with a couple of PCI legacy slots, allowing me to reuse my PCI SATA controller cards. I finally bought two new PCIe SATA III controller cards. Figure I can always use them.
 

Hans Gruber

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It was the cheapest APU I could find. It was a stop gap measure when my previous file server had failed. I've always thought it was crap, but it did the trick. I got the Foxconn mobo because it was full ATX with a couple of PCI legacy slots, allowing me to reuse my PCI SATA controller cards. I finally bought two new PCIe SATA III controller cards. Figure I can always use them.
You are like me. It's nice to know there are other people who recycle old PC parts. I have a desk drawer full of old memory DIMMS and CPU's. On my current R3 1200 build I recycled a AMD 7950, a 240GB SSD and a Samsung F1 1TB HDD. I still have a couple of Samsung F3's that still put up very impressive read writes for a 7 year old spinner drive. Those are 500GB platters on a 1TB drive.

The G4400 will be a nice upgrade over that old crappy AMD APU. It will be nice to see the Ryzen based APU's. My first build in 2003 was an AMD build. Since the Core2Duo I have not built any AMD systems until Ryzen.
 
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