Originally posted by: Insane3D
It's funny I see this thread today...
Last night on my way home from work, there was a pretty bad head on crash between an late 90's escort, and a minivan. Both cars ended up side by side, facing the same way, in a snowbank. There was snow and car parts all across the road, both cars were messed up bad, and both drivers looked hurt. I missed the actual accident by a second or two, and there was one guy standing there calling the police.
I pulled over and immediately went to check on the vehicle occupants. Both vehicles were only occupied by the driver. The guy who was there first and called seemed to be more interested in taking cell phone pictures of the accident because it was "cool" and sending them to the local news channel. I went over and checked on the driver of the escort who was injured fairly bad. He was bleeding from his head and face, and was moaning about his legs hurting. He kept wanting to try and move and stretch them out and I kept telling him that I knew it hurt but it was really best to not move and wait for the ambulance. I went over and checked on the driver of the minivan, and he was pretty dazed, but he didn't have any outward injuries, had his seatbelt on, and seemed in better shape.
I went back to kind of sit with the guy in the escort because he was hurt much worse and was kind of freaking out. He was saying he was f***ed because he didn't have insurance, and he was just going to get groceries. I tried my best to keep him calm and just talk to him. Also, it was only about 4F out at the time, and he was freezing to death. I kept asking if anyone had a blanket, but no one did. I also took a sec to clear some of the larger debris out of the road because people were just running over it like dumbasses as they gawked at the accident, but didn't offer any help. Finally a officer arrived, and asked me if I was involved, which I said I wasn't, and he went to check on the drivers. I don't know if he was disoriented, new or what, but he seemed to sort of not really know what to do. He was asking them if they remembered what happened, not anything about how hurt they were and such. At this point I finally asked the officer if he had a blanket because it was like 5 degrees out and the poor guy was freezing. He said he did and I followed him to his trunk to get the blanket from him. I came back, unfolded it, and covered the guy.
I felt real bad for the guy. He was asking me if he was bleeding from the head too, and I told him he was, but it was a small cut above his eye that looked like it had stopped, or was stopping. It looked like he actually had a chunk of windshield in the cut, but I didn't tell him that. From what I can tell he didn't have his seatbelt on and smacked his face on the windshield despite the airbag. He even asked if the blanket was mine because he felt bad he was going to get blood on it.
Anyway, by this time the rest of the cavalry started arriving and I got out of the way. I stood on the other side of the road until they had got them out of the vehicles and transported them, and then offered my information and what I did see to one of the officers even though I didn't see the accident take place. I also pointed out there was a spare tire from one of the other vehicles on the other side of the road in case they needed that for their investigation. It was pretty cold standing out there for about 20 minutes in my sweatshirt in single digit temps, but I would do it again in a heartbeat. It's really sad that so many people nowadays don't want to "get involved" or help out their fellow citizens in times of need like that. I had never done anything like that in my life before, but I did it without thinking because I would want someone to do the same for me if I was ever in that situation. It really was that simple...
Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas
Originally posted by: Insane3D
It's funny I see this thread today...
Last night on my way home from work, there was a pretty bad head on crash between an late 90's escort, and a minivan. Both cars ended up side by side, facing the same way, in a snowbank. There was snow and car parts all across the road, both cars were messed up bad, and both drivers looked hurt. I missed the actual accident by a second or two, and there was one guy standing there calling the police.
I pulled over and immediately went to check on the vehicle occupants. Both vehicles were only occupied by the driver. The guy who was there first and called seemed to be more interested in taking cell phone pictures of the accident because it was "cool" and sending them to the local news channel. I went over and checked on the driver of the escort who was injured fairly bad. He was bleeding from his head and face, and was moaning about his legs hurting. He kept wanting to try and move and stretch them out and I kept telling him that I knew it hurt but it was really best to not move and wait for the ambulance. I went over and checked on the driver of the minivan, and he was pretty dazed, but he didn't have any outward injuries, had his seatbelt on, and seemed in better shape.
I went back to kind of sit with the guy in the escort because he was hurt much worse and was kind of freaking out. He was saying he was f***ed because he didn't have insurance, and he was just going to get groceries. I tried my best to keep him calm and just talk to him. Also, it was only about 4F out at the time, and he was freezing to death. I kept asking if anyone had a blanket, but no one did. I also took a sec to clear some of the larger debris out of the road because people were just running over it like dumbasses as they gawked at the accident, but didn't offer any help. Finally a officer arrived, and asked me if I was involved, which I said I wasn't, and he went to check on the drivers. I don't know if he was disoriented, new or what, but he seemed to sort of not really know what to do. He was asking them if they remembered what happened, not anything about how hurt they were and such. At this point I finally asked the officer if he had a blanket because it was like 5 degrees out and the poor guy was freezing. He said he did and I followed him to his trunk to get the blanket from him. I came back, unfolded it, and covered the guy.
I felt real bad for the guy. He was asking me if he was bleeding from the head too, and I told him he was, but it was a small cut above his eye that looked like it had stopped, or was stopping. It looked like he actually had a chunk of windshield in the cut, but I didn't tell him that. From what I can tell he didn't have his seatbelt on and smacked his face on the windshield despite the airbag. He even asked if the blanket was mine because he felt bad he was going to get blood on it.
Anyway, by this time the rest of the cavalry started arriving and I got out of the way. I stood on the other side of the road until they had got them out of the vehicles and transported them, and then offered my information and what I did see to one of the officers even though I didn't see the accident take place. I also pointed out there was a spare tire from one of the other vehicles on the other side of the road in case they needed that for their investigation. It was pretty cold standing out there for about 20 minutes in my sweatshirt in single digit temps, but I would do it again in a heartbeat. It's really sad that so many people nowadays don't want to "get involved" or help out their fellow citizens in times of need like that. I had never done anything like that in my life before, but I did it without thinking because I would want someone to do the same for me if I was ever in that situation. It really was that simple...
you know what's really messed up in today's society is that you can actually be sued for offering a helping hand. i think i've heard of this happening long time ago where someone had helped a badly injured person in an accident. Apparently, the injured person (or their family) sued saying the helping person did not have the appropriate knowledge to help and thereby caused more damage... or something to that effect. really sucks.
Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug
Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas
you know what's really messed up in today's society is that you can actually be sued for offering a helping hand. i think i've heard of this happening long time ago where someone had helped a badly injured person in an accident. Apparently, the injured person (or their family) sued saying the helping person did not have the appropriate knowledge to help and thereby caused more damage... or something to that effect. really sucks.
Not really possible anymore - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law
Learned about that in middle school when I was taking First Aid and CPR courses in Boy Scouts ... Though I don't see many people who don't have training trying to help someone.
Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas
Originally posted by: dreadpiratedoug
Originally posted by: Caecus Veritas
you know what's really messed up in today's society is that you can actually be sued for offering a helping hand. i think i've heard of this happening long time ago where someone had helped a badly injured person in an accident. Apparently, the injured person (or their family) sued saying the helping person did not have the appropriate knowledge to help and thereby caused more damage... or something to that effect. really sucks.
Not really possible anymore - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law
Learned about that in middle school when I was taking First Aid and CPR courses in Boy Scouts ... Though I don't see many people who don't have training trying to help someone.
from the entry:
Laws for first aiders only
In most jurisdictions, Good Samaritan laws only protect those that have had basic first aid training and are certified by the American Heart Association, American Red Cross, St. John Ambulance, American Safety and Health Institute or other health organization. In other jurisdictions, any rescuer is protected from liability, granted the responder acted rationally.
Originally posted by: Jeff7
One small bit of info:
Cerebral palsy != Down's Syndrome
Originally posted by: mh47g
If she said she would go along with a withness, pay someone off the street.
Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
Was she going perpendicular or was she just parallel / opposite direction? Like for example, you were going North, was she driving West? or South? Just curious. Not that it matters though because since you had a green arrow, you had the right of way. She should have been 100% at fault.
I don't know of any place in the U.S. that has green arrows as "yield" signs. Green arrows, as far as I know, always mean right of way. A green light that says "yield to oncoming, blah blah blah" is of course a yield light. But arrow = right of way.
Ah, right, right. I see the context now.Originally posted by: Andy22
Originally posted by: Jeff7
One small bit of info:
Cerebral palsy != Down's Syndrome
Right...my heart sank because I thought I had something but the tow truck driver turned out to be an idiot who didn't know what he was talking about and likely had a lower IQ than my daughter.
Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Tweak155
Pretty sure you making the turn have to yield even if your arrow is green. You would get failure to yield, she would get failure to yield + running a red light.
To whom must he yield? If he has a green arrow, that means that no one has any business crossing his path. There is no one to yield to. It's the whole point of the green arrow.
QFT.
Tweak, you are confused. Green arrow mean the turn is protected, and cars in that lane have right of way.
Originally posted by: Whisper
You're correct in that you should look for oncoming vehicles anytime you cross a lane of traffic, even with the green arrow. However, if she really were barreling through the light, there probably isn't much you'd be able to do about it. That being said, whether or not you're legally responsible in this particular situation might vary from state to state.
As far as blinkers, it's a HUGE pet peeve of mine when people don't use them. You (and I use "you" in the generic sense here) may know that you're turning or changing into my lane, but I'm not psychic, so I sure as hell don't. The only thing that's saved me from countless accidents in these situations is assuming that the majority of the people around me either a) have no idea what they're doing, b) are paying absolutely no attention to anything going outside their own vehicle, and/or c) are just complete dicks.
Here's a :beer: for doing the right thing, despite the personal inconvenience.Originally posted by: Insane3D
It's funny I see this thread today...
Last night on my way home from work, there was a pretty bad head on crash between an late 90's escort, and a minivan. Both cars ended up side by side, facing the same way, in a snowbank. There was snow and car parts all across the road, both cars were messed up bad, and both drivers looked hurt. I missed the actual accident by a second or two, and there was one guy standing there calling the police.
I pulled over and immediately went to check on the vehicle occupants. Both vehicles were only occupied by the driver. The guy who was there first and called seemed to be more interested in taking cell phone pictures of the accident because it was "cool" and sending them to the local news channel. I went over and checked on the driver of the escort who was injured fairly bad. He was bleeding from his head and face, and was moaning about his legs hurting. He kept wanting to try and move and stretch them out and I kept telling him that I knew it hurt but it was really best to not move and wait for the ambulance. I went over and checked on the driver of the minivan, and he was pretty dazed, but he didn't have any outward injuries, had his seatbelt on, and seemed in better shape.
I went back to kind of sit with the guy in the escort because he was hurt much worse and was kind of freaking out. He was saying he was f***ed because he didn't have insurance, and he was just going to get groceries. I tried my best to keep him calm and just talk to him. Also, it was only about 4F out at the time, and he was freezing to death. I kept asking if anyone had a blanket, but no one did. I also took a sec to clear some of the larger debris out of the road because people were just running over it like dumbasses as they gawked at the accident, but didn't offer any help. Finally a officer arrived, and asked me if I was involved, which I said I wasn't, and he went to check on the drivers. I don't know if he was disoriented, new or what, but he seemed to sort of not really know what to do. He was asking them if they remembered what happened, not anything about how hurt they were and such. At this point I finally asked the officer if he had a blanket because it was like 5 degrees out and the poor guy was freezing. He said he did and I followed him to his trunk to get the blanket from him. I came back, unfolded it, and covered the guy.
I felt real bad for the guy. He was asking me if he was bleeding from the head too, and I told him he was, but it was a small cut above his eye that looked like it had stopped, or was stopping. It looked like he actually had a chunk of windshield in the cut, but I didn't tell him that. From what I can tell he didn't have his seatbelt on and smacked his face on the windshield despite the airbag. He even asked if the blanket was mine because he felt bad he was going to get blood on it.
Anyway, by this time the rest of the cavalry started arriving and I got out of the way. I stood on the other side of the road until they had got them out of the vehicles and transported them, and then offered my information and what I did see to one of the officers even though I didn't see the accident take place. I also pointed out there was a spare tire from one of the other vehicles on the other side of the road in case they needed that for their investigation. It was pretty cold standing out there for about 20 minutes in my sweatshirt in single digit temps, but I would do it again in a heartbeat. It's really sad that so many people nowadays don't want to "get involved" or help out their fellow citizens in times of need like that. I had never done anything like that in my life before, but I did it without thinking because I would want someone to do the same for me if I was ever in that situation. It really was that simple...
Didn't pay attention during Driver's Ed, did you?Originally posted by: MrPickins
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: Tweak155
Pretty sure you making the turn have to yield even if your arrow is green. You would get failure to yield, she would get failure to yield + running a red light.
To whom must he yield? If he has a green arrow, that means that no one has any business crossing his path. There is no one to yield to. It's the whole point of the green arrow.
QFT.
Tweak, you are confused. Green arrow mean the turn is protected, and cars in that lane have right of way.
Originally posted by: Baloo
A witness would not have helped. You did fail to yield. You are required to wait until the intersection is clear before advancing. Your story clearly suggests you did not even look, just went on the green. A witness would have helped the other driver, not you.
And Cerebral Palsy is not the same as Downe Syndrome, but I think you knew that. I've known people with Cebral Palsy, They were in no way disabled such that they should not drive. They were every bit as capable any one. Also, Cerebral Palsy does not impact cognitive ability. Re-reading your post, I don't think you new anything about Cerebral Palsy.
Originally posted by: Tweak155
Pretty sure you making the turn have to yield even if your arrow is green. You would get failure to yield, she would get failure to yield + running a red light.
Originally posted by: KK
Originally posted by: Baloo
A witness would not have helped. You did fail to yield. You are required to wait until the intersection is clear before advancing. Your story clearly suggests you did not even look, just went on the green. A witness would have helped the other driver, not you.
And Cerebral Palsy is not the same as Downe Syndrome, but I think you knew that. I've known people with Cebral Palsy, They were in no way disabled such that they should not drive. They were every bit as capable any one. Also, Cerebral Palsy does not impact cognitive ability. Re-reading your post, I don't think you new anything about Cerebral Palsy.
Are you stupid? God people can't be this fvckin retarded, can they?
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Tweak155
Pretty sure you making the turn have to yield even if your arrow is green. You would get failure to yield, she would get failure to yield + running a red light.
You really have no clue do you???
Originally posted by: JohnCU
what the fuck good are traffic lights then?