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So Blackangst complains about all the investigations of Trump by Dems and posts a long list of them in order to try and back up his argument. Only to accidentally support the Dems because Trump has already publicly admitted to the first three accusations.

I mean come on. If Trump had a valid accusation against him and investigations keep on turning up more and more inappropriate or just outright illegal actions then it makes complete sense to continue investigations on new allegations.

In fact has any serious accusation been shown as false yet? I genuinely can't think of a major allegation that hasn't been completely validated or, at the very least, if it hasn't been proven then it's been supported by additional evidence since.

You have to understand that nearly every conservative pundit outright states continually that these things, because they haven't (yet) resulted in serious consequences, are outright lies, hoax, etc. They don't at all acknowledge the significant body of evidence to generate, at minimum, concern.
 
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trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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If ever, when and where it happens, I can't wait for Trump to testify on his own behalf. The first day of the inquiry just whet my appetite for it even further. I keep picturing the dumbass being cornered into making spectacular goofs and gaffs like when Pelosi and Shumer played him into saying he'd shut the gov't down, all but totally screwing the strategy McConnell et al had planned around the issue.

I LOL'd.
 

[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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You have to understand that nearly every conservative pundit outright states continually that these things, because they haven't (yet) resulted in serious consequences, are outright lies, hoax, etc. They don't at all acknowledge the significant body of evidence to generate, at minimum, concern.
And that's the Circus. Because there's been no consequences, the investigations are inconsequential. Because the White House has successfully obstructed justice, nothing was done wrong. Because there's no vote happening, there's nothing worth impeaching over. Because they still have evidence to present, it's a boring waste of time.
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
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And that's the Circus. Because there's been no consequences, the investigations are inconsequential. Because the White House has successfully obstructed justice, nothing was done wrong. Because there's no vote happening, there's nothing worth impeaching over. Because they still have evidence to present, it's a boring waste of time.

And you’ll notice not a single argument on the merits. What’s so bad about this is they it reveals that conservatives know Trump is guilty, they just don’t care because being in power is more important than whether or not the president is a criminal.
 
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[DHT]Osiris

Lifer
Dec 15, 2015
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And you’ll notice not a single argument on the merits. What’s so bad about this is they it reveals that conservatives know Trump is guilty, they just don’t care because being in power is more important than whether or not the president is a criminal.
Yep, they're somewhere in here:
 
Feb 4, 2009
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If ever, when and where it happens, I can't wait for Trump to testify on his own behalf. The first day of the inquiry just whet my appetite for it even further. I keep picturing the dumbass being cornered into making spectacular goofs and gaffs like when Pelosi and Shumer played him into saying he'd shut the gov't down, all but totally screwing the strategy McConnell et al had planned around the issue.

I LOL'd.

If Chuck & Nancy we’re smart about this, they would make daily appearances on various news shows sharing “the President is scared” or “isn’t smart enough” or “can’t speak well enough” to testify.
They should be doing this every. single. day.
 

trenchfoot

Lifer
Aug 5, 2000
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If Chuck & Nancy we’re smart about this, they would make daily appearances on various news shows sharing “the President is scared” or “isn’t smart enough” or “can’t speak well enough” to testify.
They should be doing this every. single. day.


Absolutely. Hopefully that would be enough of an insult and dare to get Trump out from behind his phalanx of lawyers and right into trapping himself.............again.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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And refusing a congressional subpoena can have legal repercussions. Why havent the Democrats pursued those?

This is in the courts now as impeachment is inherently a judicial process. Why haven't those subpoenaed be allowed to present their first-hand evidence that clears Trump?


As to why the Dems haven't pursued other options yet? Well you'd have to ask them, but by allowing the courts to rule the talking points of Trumpettes is diminished. In the extraordinary circumstance that long years of precedent are reversed and the President is ruled to not be subject to the Constitution with impeachment perhaps we'll see something happen.

But when witnesses like Tayor are of such standing that not even Jordan can attack them, they hardly need to do anything but let the truth come out and Trump and His hang themselves. I think that a few months of hearings have already been justified by the facts as we have them and will further confirm and I'll patiently wait until the truths about Trump and anyone else involved in this fiasco are exposed fully.

Or Trump can let people prove him innocent by allowing them to testify. That last has proven extremely unlikely. Only an idiot screws up a case to satisfy those who insist they rush, especially the principles being investigated.

Why haven't the Democrats done what you want? Because they aren't stupid and have the facts and law on their side.
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
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I hate how congressional republicans are trying to throw all of the whistle blower protections out the window to smear a federal employee.

Lindsey Graham is dreadfully wrong here. He is embarrassing himself badly.
 
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Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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I hate how congressional republicans are trying to throw all of the whistle blower protections out the window to smear a federal employee.

Lindsey Graham is dreadfully wrong here. He is embarrassing himself badly.
Desperate times, desperate measures.
 

OrByte

Diamond Member
Jul 21, 2000
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..I didn't bring up her server. The server in line two that I was referring to was the preposterous and thoroughly-debunked nonsense that Ukraine was "hosting a server" that was being used to support the Dems and sway the election toward Hillary in 2016--you know, this is actually what the GOP on the committee yesterday, and throughout this scandal, have been referring to as a legitimate avenue of investigation. This is the Cloudstrike topic, that is utter nutter nonsense.

When you said "I think it warrants investigation," this means that you are supporting what the GOP was arguing to investigate: the fake bullshit that has long been exposed, and the made-up timeline about when Hunter was on the board, when "the corruption" was actually dealt with--everything they are claiming "needs investigating" doesn't, because they are inventing a timeline that never existed..and they are also tossing in the Alex Jones nutter nonsense, all in one soup. You are supporting their desire to investigate events that are proven to never have occurred.

I mention Hillary because this is the exact same tactic with endlessly investigating her for never having done a fucking thing...because it works on people that aren't interested in being informed on the facts of any of these issues. You are supporting the notion that because someone says a lie over and over and over again, there must be at least some truth to that. This is exactly what you are doing, and everyone knows it. And obviously you probably aren't aware of that. Everyone also knows that. This is exactly how the Big Lie works. This is old-school propaganda, and it is why a lifelong deployer of this tactic, Trump, has fit so well in the political party that has already spent decades priming their base with this very same tactic.

This is all exactly what is happening. ...I will agree that you are a victim of this kind of intentional disinformation game that has been targeted to exploit your base instincts, never challenging your higher brain functions, but I am certain that you see yourself as a victim of ...something else.

well, WELL said. Bravo!
 
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TheVrolok

Lifer
Dec 11, 2000
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They have and are, Trump keeps appealing and taking them to higher courts.
We need to stop answering questions for people who have absolutely no desire to seek answers for themselves. We need a canned response that tells them that this common knowledge for those moderately read in and they can just look it up. Constant ignorance should not be rewarded.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
62,365
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I hate how congressional republicans are trying to throw all of the whistle blower protections out the window to smear a federal employee.

Lindsey Graham is dreadfully wrong here. He is embarrassing himself badly.

Not back home in S Carolina. It's Trump Country.
 

WaltSee

Banned
Nov 14, 2019
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First, the Congressional (D)s pretended to hold an impeachment vote with their "impeachment resolution" vote which is a not a legal document, is non-binding, and is not a vote to impeach our sitting President--at all. Now, with the silly non-legal, non-binding "impeachment resolution" in play (which has no legal teeth whatsoever), the Congressional (D)s are pretending that these non-legal, non-binding, non-under-oath "hearings" are an actual impeachment process. But they are nothing of the kind. The President is in no danger whatever of actually being impeached by these ridiculous hearings. You know, Congressional (D)s in both the House and the Senate seem to have an abundance of contempt for the people in this country who vote (D) and who support them--apparently, they think their supporters are idiots. They are not impeaching the President because they have no grounds to do so and no real vote to impeach the President would ever meet the required number of Yeas in the House--ever--so the Congressional (D)s are giving their supporters a totally meaningless dog & pony show. Instead of a real impeachment, they do the only thing they've actually done for the last three years--which is to try to *smear* someone, usually a political opponent--with a blanket of lies, libel, and fraud they cannot prove and which they do not have to prove--because these hearings are fake as opposed to being real. The ludicrous "whilsteblower" won't testify because Schiff and pals won't let him testify for fear of his having to reveal that he has no evidence at all that the President did anything wrong. Ah, it's just like the Mueller lie fest that consumed years and millions of taxpayer dollars--and it will come to exactly the same end as the other fraudulent stunts the Congressional (D)s have been pulling for the last three years. I will be surprised to see more than a handful of Congressional (D)s retaining their seats of the ones who are up for reelection in 2020. The President will be reelected by a landslide vote--no doubt about it, however. I feel sorry for Pelosi and Schumer et al--it must physically hurt to be so stupid!... Gaaaaaaa..
 
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hal2kilo

Lifer
Feb 24, 2009
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First, the Congressional (D)s pretended to hold an impeachment vote with their "impeachment resolution" vote which is a not a legal document, is non-binding, and is not a vote to impeach our sitting President--at all. Now, with the silly non-legal, non-binding "impeachment resolution" in play (which has no legal teeth whatsoever), the Congressional (D)s are pretending that these non-legal, non-binding, non-under-oath "hearings" are an actual impeachment process. But they are nothing of the kind. The President is in no danger whatever of actually being impeached by these ridiculous hearings. You know, Congressional (D)s in both the House and the Senate seem to have an abundance of contempt for the people in this country who vote (D) and who support them--apparently, they think their supporters are idiots. They are not impeaching the President because they have no grounds to do so and no real vote to impeach the President would ever meet the required number of Yeas in the House--ever--so the Congressional (D)s are giving their supporters a totally meaningless dog & pony show. Instead of a real impeachment, they do the only thing they've actually done for the last three years--which is to try to *smear* someone, usually a political opponent--with a blanket of lies, libel, and fraud they cannot prove and which they do not have to prove--because these hearings are fake as opposed to being real. The ludicrous "whilsteblower" won't testify because Schiff and pals won't let him testify for fear of his having to reveal that he has no evidence at all that the President did anything wrong. Ah, it's just like the Mueller lie fest that consumed years and millions of taxpayer dollars--and it will come to exactly the same end as the other fraudulent stunts the Congressional (D)s have been pulling for the last three years. I will be surprised to see more than a handful of Congressional (D)s retaining their seats of the ones who are up for reelection in 2020. The President will be reelected by a landslide vote--no doubt about it, however. I feel sorry for Pelosi and Schumer et al--it must physically hurt to be so stupid!... Gaaaaaaa..
Sure junior.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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First, the Congressional (D)s pretended to hold an impeachment vote with their "impeachment resolution" vote which is a not a legal document, is non-binding, and is not a vote to impeach our sitting President--at all. Now, with the silly non-legal, non-binding "impeachment resolution" in play (which has no legal teeth whatsoever), the Congressional (D)s are pretending that these non-legal, non-binding, non-under-oath "hearings" are an actual impeachment process. But they are nothing of the kind. The President is in no danger whatever of actually being impeached by these ridiculous hearings. You know, Congressional (D)s in both the House and the Senate seem to have an abundance of contempt for the people in this country who vote (D) and who support them--apparently, they think their supporters are idiots. They are not impeaching the President because they have no grounds to do so and no real vote to impeach the President would ever meet the required number of Yeas in the House--ever--so the Congressional (D)s are giving their supporters a totally meaningless dog & pony show. Instead of a real impeachment, they do the only thing they've actually done for the last three years--which is to try to *smear* someone, usually a political opponent--with a blanket of lies, libel, and fraud they cannot prove and which they do not have to prove--because these hearings are fake as opposed to being real. The ludicrous "whilsteblower" won't testify because Schiff and pals won't let him testify for fear of his having to reveal that he has no evidence at all that the President did anything wrong. Ah, it's just like the Mueller lie fest that consumed years and millions of taxpayer dollars--and it will come to exactly the same end as the other fraudulent stunts the Congressional (D)s have been pulling for the last three years. I will be surprised to see more than a handful of Congressional (D)s retaining their seats of the ones who are up for reelection in 2020. The President will be reelected by a landslide vote--no doubt about it, however. I feel sorry for Pelosi and Schumer et al--it must physically hurt to be so stupid!... Gaaaaaaa..
It took you fifty minute to type that? If you had only taken fifty one minutes, think of the line breaks you could have deployed. Had you only taken fifty two minutes, imagine how you could have edited your post for clarity.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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No one is victorious in this no matter the outcome.

American Democracy and the citizens of the USA can claim victory if Congress is allowed to continue to do its job in upholding their constitutional duty. ...so maybe just be patient and let that happen? ...or will you declare that situation a loss, for either never-disclosed or entirely invented reasons?

If allowing a currently-"unindicted co-conspirator" (to a federal crime), criminal President run roughshod abusing his power and the duties of his office, purely for personal gain, is the unimpeachable duty of an elected head of state, at the never-ending expense of the citizens, then what do you think you have accomplished...and for whom?
 

fskimospy

Elite Member
Mar 10, 2006
84,825
49,527
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First, the Congressional (D)s pretended to hold an impeachment vote with their "impeachment resolution" vote which is a not a legal document, is non-binding, and is not a vote to impeach our sitting President--at all. Now, with the silly non-legal, non-binding "impeachment resolution" in play (which has no legal teeth whatsoever), the Congressional (D)s are pretending that these non-legal, non-binding, non-under-oath "hearings" are an actual impeachment process. But they are nothing of the kind. The President is in no danger whatever of actually being impeached by these ridiculous hearings. You know, Congressional (D)s in both the House and the Senate seem to have an abundance of contempt for the people in this country who vote (D) and who support them--apparently, they think their supporters are idiots. They are not impeaching the President because they have no grounds to do so and no real vote to impeach the President would ever meet the required number of Yeas in the House--ever--so the Congressional (D)s are giving their supporters a totally meaningless dog & pony show. Instead of a real impeachment, they do the only thing they've actually done for the last three years--which is to try to *smear* someone, usually a political opponent--with a blanket of lies, libel, and fraud they cannot prove and which they do not have to prove--because these hearings are fake as opposed to being real. The ludicrous "whilsteblower" won't testify because Schiff and pals won't let him testify for fear of his having to reveal that he has no evidence at all that the President did anything wrong. Ah, it's just like the Mueller lie fest that consumed years and millions of taxpayer dollars--and it will come to exactly the same end as the other fraudulent stunts the Congressional (D)s have been pulling for the last three years. I will be surprised to see more than a handful of Congressional (D)s retaining their seats of the ones who are up for reelection in 2020. The President will be reelected by a landslide vote--no doubt about it, however. I feel sorry for Pelosi and Schumer et al--it must physically hurt to be so stupid!... Gaaaaaaa..

1) Impeachment is whatever the House says it is and neither the president or the courts has any say in the matter.

2) The president will almost certainly be impeached at the end of these hearings and they will get the required number of yes votes.

3) The president already confessed to the crime the whistleblower detailed in his report.

You sound like someone who reads or watches a lot of conservative media. I hope you realize that conservative media exists for one reason and one reason only - to lie to you. That's literally what they're there for. Speaking of 'stupid', the people that run conservative media outlets think you're stupid because you'll believe anything they say. Don't make them right.
 
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