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Bitek

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Nunes is such a fucking idiot with all his ranting of crazy, irrelevant conspiracy theories.

Rs would actually be much better off if they had someone with Schiffs temperament that could calmly, clearly explain the defense's logic.

The hysterical lunatic routine makes them look guilty AF.
 

yllus

Elite Member & Lifer
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I wouldn't mind Schiff for president in 2020. Clear-eyed, well spoken, knows the rules.
 

Bitek

Lifer
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All of which attempts to ignore the truth, that Trump tried to strongarm Zelensky into sliming the Bidens to interfere in the 2020 election process.

Ir's been a foregone conclusion that the Senate won't convict Trump. They just get to wear the shame of it into the election.

Of course, but that's the game. It's politics and PR.
They just need to provide a fig leaf for the R Senate, and plausible deniability to the R base so they still shoe up in Nov
 

Bitek

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I agree. Today’ audience is Fox viewers. The Rep Congresscritters and Volker crafted sufficient dialogue for Fox to run an in-depth story with extensive footage completely mischaractorizing today’ hearing. A Fox viewer could come to believe that they were being offered the straight dope.

Agree, and I would add the R senators.

They need to provide a sufficient cover story they can use to defend acquittal.
 

TheVrolok

Lifer
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Nunes is such a fucking idiot with all his ranting of crazy, irrelevant conspiracy theories.

Rs would actually be much better off if they had someone with Schiffs temperament that could calmly, clearly explain the defense's logic.

The hysterical lunatic routine makes them look guilty AF.
Only makes them look guilty AF to rational people. To Trump loyalists it makes sense to be incensed by the Deep State conspiracy to overthrow the 2016 election.
 

Gabe323

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Gym Jordan is calling Volker the definitive source for everything Ukraine but Sondaland was the only one with a direct line to Trump.
 

Jhhnn

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Of course, but that's the game. It's politics and PR.
They just need to provide a fig leaf for the R Senate, and plausible deniability to the R base so they still shoe up in Nov

Not at all. It's illegal to solicit campaign help from a foreign govt, particularly when the purpose is scurrilous slander & innuendo against a political opponent. It's even more egregious for a President to abuse the power of his office in such a fashion. Trump knew it was illegal when he did it. Imagine what a more willing counterparty might be able to do for him, like hacking his opponents & mounting a massive social media campaign of lies & misinformation that can't be tracked to him personally.

Oh, wait... that already happened, didn't it?
 

Bitek

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How tall is Morrison?

He looks about 7'23" when he's walking around

Fitting, as he was playing power forward for Team Bullshit today.
 

esquared

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Time to talk about White House Chef Rush again?
I think this is the guy who makes the meatloaf Porky likes so much

 
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UNCjigga

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Wow Ratcliff destroys the dems on this. he is right why do the charges keep changing? now its bribs. so when the bribe angle goes down in flames what will be the next bullshit charge?


Maybe you can wait until all the evidence is out in the open and the actual Articles of Impeachment have been established before accusing the Dems of shifting goalposts like the GOP??

“There’s no quid pro quo!”
“Read the transcript!”
“No wait... read the *other* transcript!”
“Aid wasn’t conditioned on investigations!”
“No wait... Ukraine didn’t even know aid was conditioned on investigations!”
“This is all 3rd/4th person hearsay!”
“Ok... so these witnesses heard the President and listened to the call but no one used the word “BRIBE”!”
 

emperus

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Wow Ratcliff destroys the dems on this. he is right why do the charges keep changing? now its bribs. so when the bribe angle goes down in flames what will be the next bullshit charge?


It is a quid pro quo (Latin for this for that; dirt for aid). It is bribery, (using 400 million to extract a favor) and it is extortion seeing that withholding the aid is an implied threat since Ukraine is at war with Russia.
 

Luna1968

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It is a quid pro quo (Latin for this for that; dirt for aid). It is bribery, (using 400 million to extract a favor) and it is extortion seeing that withholding the aid is an implied threat since Ukraine is at war with Russia.

funny, the only time the word bribe is mentioned in all the transcripts is about Vice President Biden... hummm inst that interesting.
 

Jhhnn

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Wow Ratcliff destroys the dems on this. he is right why do the charges keep changing? now its bribs. so when the bribe angle goes down in flames what will be the next bullshit charge?


Amusing at best. Trump's crimes almost defy description, huh? The description that matters will be spelled out in the writ of impeachment. Characterizations in the meanwhile are immaterial.
 

sportage

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I don't know....
All of this is pretty shocking when hearing and when realizing this is how a president of the United States operates. And believes this a perfectly normal way to conduct himself. Plus, we have an entire political party who supports such presidential misconduct. Pretty sad indeed.....
And..... every single witnesses so far has, in their own way, has displayed the same shock and outrage either in words or simply by that sick look on the their face.
As for me?
I'm putting A LOT OF HOPE in that mysterious medical emergency the president had.
I'm not saying he should drop dead.
Well, not under oath at least.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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funny, the only time the word bribe is mentioned in all the transcripts is about Vice President Biden... hummm inst that interesting.

No what’s funny is that you think a crime is committed only if the criminal says what crime he’s committing while in the act of committing the crime.

Under your insane logic, it’s not murder if a killer has been recorded in the act unless they say, “I’m murdering you”.


I’m just curious what people are you listening to that have such contempt for you to put an idea so comically stupid before you, so that you’ll repeat it, and make you look like a complete fool?
 
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