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Lifer
Jun 17, 2005
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This should have a thread of its own so everyone can laugh at it.

I don't think so, there is nothing new in it, and we can all laugh at it here.

He complains about not being allowed to confront his accusers all while not allowing witnesses at the trial where he would be allowed to cross examine. As if a Impeachment inquire requires due process. I really don't think he knows what those words mean.
 

ewdotson

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Oct 30, 2011
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I can believe it started as a Trump rant, but yeah. Someone had to have spent a lot of time cleaning it up. The length and verbiage seem rather beyond what we've seen of Trump recently.
 

IronWing

No Lifer
Jul 20, 2001
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Reads like the work of a certain Stephen Miller.

That and it's longer than a couple of sentences. Oh and Trump wouldn't know how to use the word "indelible"...
Yep. Trump definitely had help writing the letter and Miller is the only one in the White House that would have both the vocabulary and the stupidity to help Trump write it.
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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In a sane world that letter itself would be a good reason for removal from office.

I don't care what your politics are, nobody can say the person who wrote that is fit to be running the country.
 
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IronWing

No Lifer
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I've changed my thinking. Miller wrote the long paragraphs and Donny wrote the short ones. My guess is that Donny stood behind Miller, shouting encouragement, as he banged away.
 

nOOky

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So, Trump wrote Pelosi a letter. It is, of course, a perfect letter. Many people are saying it.


You can tell from the first paragraphs that Trump didn't write any of that, he had someone interpret his thoughts for him. It has just enough form and structure that you can tell someone with basic English composition skills went over it, scattered with what are obviously Trump's inane ramblings.
 

cytg111

Lifer
Mar 17, 2008
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So, Trump wrote Pelosi a letter. It is, of course, a perfect letter. Many people are saying it.


Trump is going ON THE RECORD here, signature and all, blasting full onset Kremlin Propaganda conspiracy lies... In direct opposition to United States Intelligence Apparatus.
Trump : Agent of Russia.
ps. you can hardly blame compuwiz from picking this shit up ... its the GOP's Noriega playlist, its blasting nonstop on his news feed.. (only its a list of retards trying to play wind instruments..).

"You know full well that Vice President Biden used his office and $1 billion dollars of U.S. aid money to coerce Ukraine into firing the prosecutor who was digging into the company paying his son millions of dollars. You know this because Biden bragged about it on video. Biden openly stated: “I said, “I'm telling you, you're not getting the billion dollars'...I looked at them and said: “I'm leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money.' Well, son of a bitch. He got fired.” Even Joe Biden admitted just days ago in an interview with NPR that it “looked bad.” Now you are trying to impeach me by falsely accusing me of doing what Joe Biden has admitted he actually did. "
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Jan 26, 2000
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McConnell says he's not an impartial juror at all. Surprise surprise /s

Ginsberg is making sounds such that she's suggesting the GOP position renders the trial to be wholly improper. I'm not sure about Roberts, but I wonder if he will pronounce that recusions must happen or the "jury" held in contempt.

In any case I wonder if an appeal to the SCOTUS in the matter of violation of Congressional duty and improper procedure might result in some remedial action.
 
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Sunburn74

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Ginsberg is making sounds such that she's suggesting the GOP position renders the trial to be wholly improper. I'm not sure about Roberts, but I wonder if he will pronounce that recusions must happen or the "jury" held in contempt.

In any case I wonder if an appeal to the SCOTUS in the matter of violation of Congressional duty and improper procedure might result in some remedial action.
That would be absolutely awesome if the SCOTUS finally shows some backbone.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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Ginsberg is making sounds such that she's suggesting the GOP position renders the trial to be wholly improper. I'm not sure about Roberts, but I wonder if he will pronounce that recusions must happen or the "jury" held in contempt.

In any case I wonder if an appeal to the SCOTUS in the matter of violation of Congressional duty and improper procedure might result in some remedial action.

Please. The Constitution grants the Senate the sole power to try impeachments and to make their own rules. Those decisions are, by definition, non-justiciable. Don't like it? Then vote the bums out. It's the only answer.
 

zinfamous

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Jul 12, 2006
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Please. The Constitution grants the Senate the sole power to try impeachments and to make their own rules. Those decisions are, by definition, non-justiciable. Don't like it? Then vote the bums out. It's the only answer.

They've shirked their constitutional duty. They've ignored it. The body that is established to interpret the constitution now has the power to whip them back into place. The Senate's actions are wholly unprecedented. There is no longer "non-justicable" or "the senate having sole power." They've rejected their oathes of office. This system wasn't built to withstand two out of three branches of government, wholly rejected their oaths, in order to serve themselves and some sort of monarchist fascism. The very crimes that they are charged with in this impeachment involve attempting to fix the election, in order to establish permanent minority power.

There simply is no fixing this through the system that they are explicitly, unnapologeticaly rigging, in front of everyone's faces. They've admitted it dozens of times, and they further established that they don't fucking care.

If SCOTUS needs to whip their fucking asses, in yet another unprecedented check on our federal system, then so-fucking-be it. I'm curious why you still stick to this "well, the constitution doesn't allow it so...well, let's just let them hijack the country and turn it into a monarchy, because reasons" argument. Why? The GOP has no interest in Democracy, so ending them is not going to be a democratic process. It simply can't happen that way.

If, in the end, we need firing squads for this fascist GOP scum, then so-fucking-be-it.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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Please. The Constitution grants the Senate the sole power to try impeachments and to make their own rules. Those decisions are, by definition, non-justiciable. Don't like it? Then vote the bums out. It's the only answer.

So Roberts should just stay home. Gotcha.
 

Hayabusa Rider

Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Jan 26, 2000
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They've shirked their constitutional duty. They've ignored it. The body that is established to interpret the constitution now has the power to whip them back into place. The Senate's actions are wholly unprecedented. There is no longer "non-justicable" or "the senate having sole power." They've rejected their oathes of office. This system wasn't built to withstand two out of three branches of government, wholly rejected their oaths, in order to serve themselves and some sort of monarchist fascism. The very crimes that they are charged with in this impeachment involve attempting to fix the election, in order to establish permanent minority power.

There simply is no fixing this through the system that they are explicitly, unnapologeticaly rigging, in front of everyone's faces. They've admitted it dozens of times, and they further established that they don't fucking care.

If SCOTUS needs to whip their fucking asses, in yet another unprecedented check on our federal system, then so-fucking-be it. I'm curious why you still stick to this "well, the constitution doesn't allow it so...well, let's just let them hijack the country and turn it into a monarchy, because reasons" argument. Why? The GOP has no interest in Democracy, so ending them is not going to be a democratic process. It simply can't happen that way.

If, in the end, we need firing squads for this fascist GOP scum, then so-fucking-be-it.
The courts have ruled some time ago that the act of impeachment is one of a judicial nature. That is why the House has powers it normally doesn't otherwise have except with impeachment. SInce the Courts recognise this as fact with the Chief Justice presiding, no one knows precisely what he can or will do. Certainly as a Justice he has the ability to subpoena but how will that play out? Again no one knows as this has never happened before. Since we haven't any experts here I wouldn't pay much attention to those who suggest they have the answer. Hell, I don't think anyone does, including Roberts.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
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So Roberts should just stay home. Gotcha.

Will you take issue with what I actually said, or not? Roberts will preside according to the rules as set by the Senate. They can overrule his judgements at any time. Going on about what the Judiciary should do is pointless distraction. The responsibility is strictly on Trump & the Senate Majority. We'll see how proudly they can wear it into the election.
 

interchange

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Oct 10, 1999
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The courts have ruled some time ago that the act of impeachment is one of a judicial nature. That is why the House has powers it normally doesn't otherwise have except with impeachment. SInce the Courts recognise this as fact with the Chief Justice presiding, no one knows precisely what he can or will do. Certainly as a Justice he has the ability to subpoena but how will that play out? Again no one knows as this has never happened before. Since we haven't any experts here I wouldn't pay much attention to those who suggest they have the answer. Hell, I don't think anyone does, including Roberts.

The chief justice presides because the vice president is the beneficiary, so to speak, of the removal of a president. Otherwise, the VP presides over an impeachment trial. I don't think Roberts would have any powers other than those the Senate affords him. They make the rules for an impeachment trial and his job would be to ensure they are followed. If Mitch wants a sham, I don't think there is any way of stopping it.
 
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