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fskimospy

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And the right would say the exact same thing about the left.

Repeatedly saying he's guilty doesn't make him guilty... But a lot of people in here believe it.

See the issue?

Do multiple people testifying under oath that he's guilty mean that he's guilty? lol.
 

zinfamous

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Investigating corruption from the former vice president is a dissolution of the republic? Sounds like the opposite to me. I'm not big on foreign policy being decided by how much money they are willing to give family members.

Also before we mention Trump's children working for the government let's talk about their salaries. Ivanka and Jared Kushner have forgo their white house pay. Hunter Biden has made several million from foreign countries. This is a guy that has no degrees in petroleum, geology that I've heard of. Yet he is worth several million to an energy company?

Trump never wanted nor initiated any investigation into Biden. You know that, right? Trump wanted a public announcement of an investigation that was never meant to happen. You know this right? These are the facts.

Besides, if Trump was actually concerned with corruption, he would have talked about it in his phone call. If Trump was concerned about corruption, he would have investigated through actual channels, and not by sending a mafioso goon squad to do it outside of the purview of the federal government.

Please explain those two indisputable facts in this whole story, and how they still point to Trump being concerned about corruption, and how it is a legitimate charge against Biden. You never like to address this. ....I wonder, is it because it is really hard to hold onto the false narrative that you subscribe to, when you also accept these plain facts?

lol--Kushner and Ivanka "foregoing their salary." Jared FUCKING Kushner received a $2 billion+ payoff from the House of Saud to wipe out his family's criminal debt (achieved through his gross incompetence and his father's lifetime of criming), in support of the illegal invasion of Yemen (yay US dollars!) and the funded, supported murder of Kashoggi (another move that Kushner/Trump likely approved)
 

zinfamous

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Testifying on hearsay?

No. These were people that were present for these events.

Why are you just plainly lying about what actually happened? Do you need to believe the obvious lies to support your bullshit narrative?

Why do you support admitted-criminals in this way?
 

Vic

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And the right would say the exact same thing about the left.

Repeatedly saying he's guilty doesn't make him guilty... But a lot of people in here believe it.

See the issue?

No, the issue is that one side's minds can be changed by the evidence, while the other side's minds cannot be changed regardless of the evidence. Which is the primary difference between liberalism and conservatism, and why (for example) scientists (and those of scientific inclination) tend to be liberals, and religious dogmatists are invariably conservatives.

My mind is fully opened to being changed. Just show me the evidence. Which you won't. You'll just keep calling people names and blaming them for your own lack of accountability, as you've been doing.
 

fskimospy

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No. These were people that were present for these events.

Why are you just plainly lying about what actually happened? Do you need to believe the obvious lies to support your bullshit narrative?

Why do you support admitted-criminals in this way?

I wouldn't be surprised if he honestly didn't know. If all you watch/read is conservative media then you'd probably end up thinking the same thing.
 

Zivic

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No. These were people that were present for these events.

Why are you just plainly lying about what actually happened? Do you need to believe the obvious lies to support your bullshit narrative?

Why do you support admitted-criminals in this way?
Bs narrative?

My narrative is that Trump was acquitted because of the incompetence of the left. And this forum fails to see that.

The left bias of What is said in this forum isn't respresentive of all of America

Whether or not Trump is good or bad is completely separate from the fact that the left doesn't offer the American people something worth voting for. And "if" Trump is as bad as the left claims, it should make it easier to vote him out.
 

Ajay

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Liberals or progressives?
Both, though there are some out there on the far left that seem to think money grows on trees. Sadly, we can't spend our way out of every social ill in society.
 

zinfamous

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Open question to all the proud Trump Quislings:

Where will you be, mentally, ~3 years from now when you can no longer deny the plain facts that the rest of the world accepts regarding the Trump crime family and their being in complete thrall to Russian oligarch cash?

What is going to happen to your brains when you can no longer escape the plain truth that, exists today where the rest of the world has the capability to accept the undisputed facts in this matter, and you will no longer be able to hide from--especially after facing a serious recession that was only ever brought on to you deficit-spending GOP fucktards that exist only to steal your wealth.

How are you little Quislings going to feel when the depth of your utter stupidity and irrational support of these open, treasonous rat bastards is laid bare before you, and you simply can't run away?
 

fskimospy

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Bs narrative?

My narrative is that Trump was acquitted because of the incompetence of the left. And this forum fails to see that.

The left bias of What is said in this forum isn't respresentive of all of America

Whether or not Trump is good or bad is completely separate from the fact that the left doesn't offer the American people something worth voting for. And "if" Trump is as bad as the left claims, it should make it easier to vote him out.

As I like to say you can always tell when conservatives know they are doing something wrong because they blame liberals for making them do it. Republicans didn't acquit Trump because they are corrupt and craven, they acquitted him because of the left.
 

zinfamous

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Barr restricting investigations into foreign contributions...




Gee!....I Wonder which presidents and congresspeople are getting Russian money that won't ever be investigated?

I’m sure the Biden campaign is relieved that it will take the affirmative approval of the top levels of the Trump Administration before any politically-motivated investigation into his campaign can be initiated.

See , the system works!

You're watching our democracy being torn down piece by piece. Republican voters are complicit.

Holy shit--so Barr is trying to establish the entirety of the Justice Department as a shield for the Executive. ...nothing more. GOP: utterly destroying the United States of America, one step at a time.

The Quislings refuse to accept the truth. Imagine how many of these fuckers will be in jail once Trump and Barr lose their power.
 

fskimospy

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All those who testified against Trump did so purely out of partisan hate, even the lifelong Republicans.

What's strange is how often people Trump personally hired are secret Democrats that hate Trump and are trying to take him down.

Even if you buy into that insanity wouldn't that just mean Trump is one of the world's worst managers, constantly hiring people who undermine him? Total incompetence.
 

thilanliyan

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I keep saying this.. if Trump is so.bad and doing such aweful things, how the heck can't you get anything of substance on him? How can nothing stick?
Basically all the witnesses called for the house investigation to the phone call confirmed what the whistleblower said. Do you dispute this?
 

Vic

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Bs narrative?

My narrative is that Trump was acquitted because of the incompetence of the left. And this forum fails to see that.

The left bias of What is said in this forum isn't respresentive of all of America

Whether or not Trump is good or bad is completely separate from the fact that the left doesn't offer the American people something worth voting for. And "if" Trump is as bad as the left claims, it should make it easier to vote him out.

Once again, blaming the left for the Republican party's own actions and projecting your own bias onto others.

And serious question, why is it so wrong for 'the left' to be biased when you're openly biased as fuck?

And LIBERALS (not your 'the left' straw man) have plenty to offer the American public. Most of which is a reprieve from Trump's corruption and constant lying, and his open agenda to use the govt to suppress freedom for his own political agenda. Which one reason why the Democrats keep polling well above 50% of the American public. Because we do represent the majority of America.
 

Zivic

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As I like to say you can always tell when conservatives know they are doing something wrong because they blame liberals for making them do it. Republicans didn't acquit Trump because they are corrupt and craven, they acquitted him because of the left.
Maybe just maybe acquitted because of lack of evidence or maybe because he wasn't guilty?

It was the houses responsibility to bring forth a strong case with evidence... They failed to do so.

Is that a failure of the left? Or a failure of the house?
 

TheVrolok

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So much this.

Democrats need to do 2 things: 1) they need to start driving the narratives instead of reacting to them, and 2) they need to stop giving a fuck about who MAGA trolls are going to vote for.
Just get our and vote and Trump loses, I just unfortunately don't think it'll happen.
 

Ajay

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My narrative is that Trump was acquitted because of the incompetence of the left. And this forum fails to see that.
It wasn't incompetence. The White House literally obstructed congress by withholding documents and preventing staff from testifying (which is utter bullshit). The only recourse house managers had was to go to court to fight this. The house wanted a fast process and didn't pursue court cases, and personally, I think that was a mistake.
 

brycejones

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What's strange is how often people Trump personally hired are secret Democrats that hate Trump and are trying to take him down.

Even if you buy into that insanity wouldn't that just mean Trump is one of the world's worst managers, constantly hiring people who undermine him? Total incompetence.

But he was fooled by the evil, deceitful liberals so that doesn't count either. He is just a man trying to do the best he can for the little guy by given $1.2T to the richest Americans who will make it rain dollar bills on the poors like a strip club on bonus friday.
 

fskimospy

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Maybe just maybe acquitted because of lack of evidence or maybe because he wasn't guilty?

It was the houses responsibility to bring forth a strong case with evidence... They failed to do so.

Is that a failure of the left? Or a failure of the house?

What elements of the crime do you think the House's case failed to establish, specifically?
 
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