People recalling what they heard Trump say is not hearsay. It's just literally not by the federal rules of evidence.
I assume they're referring to people recalling what Trump said, and that is hearsay. Albeit, I think it kind of became an awkward debate point mostly tossed around by people that heard someone say "hearsay bad!" and sort of ran with it. I mean... when I discuss the whole matter with people down here, I usually hear "it's all hearsay" brought up at least once in each conversation. LegalEagle has a video just on the topic of hearsay, which includes what's actually hearsay (spoiler: just about everything apart from the person actually admitting it) and when is hearsay typically admitted into court.
He's being obtuse because he doesn't care about the evidence. It's really no different than the Trumpist Evangelicals who not only believe the earth is only 6,000 years old, but actively seek through political means to suppress any scientific evidence that says otherwise.According to whom?
Oh right--the same people that announced the acquittal before the trial began.
why are you being so obtuse?
The evidence was overwhelming and damning. Trump himself has repeatedly admitted to doing the things he is accused of doing. That is an established fact. Why are you on the same team that rejects resoundingly observable fact?
That's your interpretation.So, your argument here, specifically, is that an attempt to fix the election does not rise to the level of impeachment.
Quisling.
Yes, but I never expected anything different from the senate (GOP) hence I wasn’t surprised, saddened, but not surprised.We also have to acknowledge that the GOP in the Senate decided they didn't want to hear that evidence anyway. Yes the House could have fought it out in the courts, but the GOP in the Senate made an active choice to not call witnesses or ask for evidence. Both things the White House denied the HOR in the first place.
The American people voted to Hillary Clinton not Trump. The American people overwhelmingly voted for the Dems in 2018.Bs narrative?
My narrative is that Trump was acquitted because of the incompetence of the left. And this forum fails to see that.
The left bias of What is said in this forum isn't respresentive of all of America
Whether or not Trump is good or bad is completely separate from the fact that the left doesn't offer the American people something worth voting for. And "if" Trump is as bad as the left claims, it should make it easier to vote him out.
The argument that any actions rose to the level of impeachment can be argues espite how you interpret the Constitution and think you know what the writers intent were.
They lacked direct evidence. They would have to prove motive, they couldn't. They had hearsay like I said before...
What I think or what you think doesn't really matter. 52/53 senators disagree with you and they are the ones you should be having the conversation with.
None of this makes me a trump supporter.
More so it makes me laugh at the left
I think there is an argument out there that the house banked on no witnesses allowed.... Because at the end of the day, careful what you wish for. Maybe Biden(s) get called amongst other bad for the democrat witness.Yes, but I never expected anything different from the senate (GOP) hence I wasn’t surprised, saddened, but not surprised.
The Dems that won in 18 were moderate and there is always a swing the other way in similar elections.The American people voted to Hillary Clinton not Trump. The American people overwhelmingly voted for the Dems in 2018.
now before you go crying ELECTORAL COLLEGE you specifically said “American People” not the States.
What's my position?This response is simply comical.
First, those actions did rise to level of impeachment because Trump was impeached. Do you not understand how impeachment works or is this yet another lie from you?
Second, there was evidence and motive.
Third, the Senators who voted to acquit did so for political reasons only. I can't change that because both of my Senators voted to convict, nor do I need to have a conversation with those Senators who voted to acquit, as I have already said in this thread that I expected acquittal as a foregone conclusion.
And yes, you've already admitted to being a cowardly troll. What you appear not to realize is that we're laughing at you, and the endless mental backflips you're doing to justify your unjustifiable position. Fuckin pathetic IMO.
That's your interpretation.
I argue there was plenty there to justify someone saying hey we should look into this... You have to prove motive.
Look at Biden and honestly tell me he is a threat to trump at the polls? He took what 4th in Iowa? The narrative that this was a ploy at reelection assistance is a joke that only the far left sees as credible
What's my position?
My position is: this forum is a lefty echo chamber that is so far out of touch of what's going on, that they can't even entertain an opposing argument to theirs
What's my position?
My position is: this forum is a lefty echo chamber that is so far out of touch of what's going on, that they can't even entertain an opposing argument to theirs
You will find people here very open to opposing arguments that are based on facts and include evidence. The problem you have trying to argue that Trump didn't a do thing is that we have mountains of evidence that he did from people who heard it directly from him and his associates. There is most likely more evidence available (see the emails the DoJ have admitted to existing about Trump's direct involvement in withholding the aid but are still fighting to not hand over) but so far it has been suppressed at the direct order of Trump. The Senate had their opportunity to demand it and whiffed. Do you think the administration would be fighting to prevent testimony and evidence from being turned over if it was favorable to their case?What's my position?
My position is: this forum is a lefty echo chamber that is so far out of touch of what's going on, that they can't even entertain an opposing argument to theirs
So you are okay with corruption and abuse of power (heck even some GOP senators admit he did this for his own benefit) so long as the stock markets (or you specifically) are doing okay?Despite all that, the country now doing pretty well.... Hmmm.
The German populace was pretty cool with the Nazis since they had jobs and the trains ran on time.Despite all that, the country now doing pretty well.... Hmmm.
I think there is an argument out there that the house banked on no witnesses allowed.... Because at the end of the day, careful what you wish for. Maybe Biden(s) get called amongst other bad for the democrat witness.
So they push for witnesses, senate says no... Now they take the talking point of no additional witnesses and spin it to their base. Reading replies here it seems like it worked
Fake news! say the people totally not living in a bubble.Isn't it weird how some 70% of Americans wanted witnesses called? But just because that's what Americans wanted doesn't mean it's what Americans wanted... according to that guy over there telling us we're in an echo chamber.
where was bolton in nov?So that's a jump thru your own asshole conspiracy theory? Maybe they wuz skeered that Bolton would, like, totally exonerate Trump, man. Which is why they wanted him to be called. So devious.
Isn't it weird how some 70% of Americans wanted witnesses called? But just because that's what Americans wanted doesn't mean it's what Americans wanted... according to that guy over there telling us we're in an echo chamber.
a stretch, but I appreciate the effort. we have a chance to vote out trump in november.The German populace was pretty cool with the Nazis since they had jobs and the trains ran on time.
Republican witnesses in the House? Agree that it sucks that none of Trump's requested witnesses were called. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.Isn't it weird how some 70% of Americans wanted witnesses called? But just because that's what Americans wanted doesn't mean it's what Americans wanted... according to that guy over there telling us we're in an echo chamber.
Now whataboutism. How quaint.lets just say for sake of argument that the american people wanted witnesses... what does this change? does it change the acquittal? does it bring forth evidence that hurts the democrats? does it bring forth evidence that hurts both sides? does it bring forth evidence that is just a wast of everyone's time?
Yeah and they were pretty cool with exterminating an entire ethnicity.The German populace was pretty cool with the Nazis since they had jobs and the trains ran on time.