PSA: The Accord Was Not Sporty, Is Not Sporty, and Never Will Be Sporty

[radioouman]

They hybrid Accord is sporty

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Thorny
You're right. They shouldn't label them as sporty just because they are more sporty than the underpowered econobox cars that they excel at. I drove a late model corvette yesterday, THAT was sporty.

No. The Corvette is a sports car. An Escord ZX2 is "sporty".

"Sporty" means any car that is reasonably fun to drive but is not set up or designed for maximum ultimate performance (e.g. a "Sports Sedan"). I would consider my Volvo T5 "Sporty", but it's about as far from a "Sports Car" as one can get. My 951, however, is NOT "sporty", it's a Sports Car through and through. Kidney-pounding ride, road and engine noise that can drown out the very basic stereo, steerable with the throttle, temperamental, etc.

FWIW, my Mustang was neither "sporty" nor a "sports car" either. Even with the V8 the Mustang is a muscle car. Different category entirely.

ZV

What would you consider a BMW M3? It's based on a regular sedan, so it's not exactly a pure sports car like a Miata or a 911, it's certainly not a muscle car, but it's not just "sporty", either.

It would seem like a sporty sedan that performs impressively.

Many people don't consider the Corvette a sports car, since it's too large and powerful. They want to call it a GT car.

If you think about it, it's hard to classify cars, and you often have to stretch the definitions to get some cars to fit in the category.

 

[randomlinh]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Thorny
You're right. They shouldn't label them as sporty just because they are more sporty than the underpowered econobox cars that they excel at. I drove a late model corvette yesterday, THAT was sporty.

No. The Corvette is a sports car. An Escord ZX2 is "sporty".

"Sporty" means any car that is reasonably fun to drive but is not set up or designed for maximum ultimate performance (e.g. a "Sports Sedan"). I would consider my Volvo T5 "Sporty", but it's about as far from a "Sports Car" as one can get. My 951, however, is NOT "sporty", it's a Sports Car through and through. Kidney-pounding ride, road and engine noise that can drown out the very basic stereo, steerable with the throttle, temperamental, etc.

FWIW, my Mustang was neither "sporty" nor a "sports car" either. Even with the V8 the Mustang is a muscle car. Different category entirely.

ZV

What would you consider a BMW M3? It's based on a regular sedan, so it's not exactly a pure sports car like a Miata or a 911, it's certainly not a muscle car, but it's not just "sporty", either.

It would seem like a sporty sedan that performs impressively.

Many people don't consider the Corvette a sports car, since it's too large and powerful. They want to call it a GT car.

If you think about it, it's hard to classify cars, and you often have to stretch the definitions to get some cars to fit in the category.

You're one of the few people I've met that actually calls a miata a sports car. :thumbsup: now I just need to find money to start building one up for autocross.

 

[Cobalt]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt

Originally posted by: Thorny
You're right. They shouldn't label them as sporty just because they are more sporty than the underpowered econobox cars that they excel at. I drove a late model corvette yesterday, THAT was sporty.

No. The Corvette is a sports car. An Escord ZX2 is "sporty".

"Sporty" means any car that is reasonably fun to drive but is not set up or designed for maximum ultimate performance (e.g. a "Sports Sedan"). I would consider my Volvo T5 "Sporty", but it's about as far from a "Sports Car" as one can get. My 951, however, is NOT "sporty", it's a Sports Car through and through. Kidney-pounding ride, road and engine noise that can drown out the very basic stereo, steerable with the throttle, temperamental, etc.

FWIW, my Mustang was neither "sporty" nor a "sports car" either. Even with the V8 the Mustang is a muscle car. Different category entirely.

ZV

What would you consider a BMW M3? It's based on a regular sedan, so it's not exactly a pure sports car like a Miata or a 911, it's certainly not a muscle car, but it's not just "sporty", either.

It would seem like a sporty sedan that performs impressively.

Many people don't consider the Corvette a sports car, since it's too large and powerful. They want to call it a GT car.

If you think about it, it's hard to classify cars, and you often have to stretch the definitions to get some cars to fit in the category.

After the E36 the M3 became a full on GT car. It just got too big.

EDIT: After E36 meaning E46 and E92 are GT cars. E36 is more of a sports car, ie: Evo, LTW, GT, etc.

 

[thomsbrain]

the V6 doesn't "scream," but it does have a blissfully smooth and effortless voice that goes from a whisper to a tenor yell as it climbs above 4K. it is something that is pleasurable to listen to, at least from behind the wheel. and the engine has been referred to as "superb" by C&D. whereas most cars sound strained or harsh as they approach redline, the Accord's V6 just sounds like it is relieved to get a chance to stretch its legs, and it begs you to keep your foot planted.

BTW, the stock sedan V6-MT gets to 60 in 5.9 seconds, is rated at 30 MPG, is an ULEV, and drinks regular. say what you will about family sedans not being "sporty," but the engine is wonderful.

 

[SVT Cobra]

I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Schfifty Five
PSA: No one cared about your opinion, they still dont' care about your opinion, and they never will care aobut your opinion.

I am sorry then that I made you waste 15 seconds of your life by reading my post and then typing out your carefully thought out repsonse. Guess you really must not care.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: Jawo
I totally agree! Thats the biggest problem Asia is having now...STYLE! THey can mass produce incredibly cheap cars....but will anybody buy an econobox if they can afford better?

IMHO, Europe's got the styling card now.

For extra $10-20k, I better get some style with the ride. Give me a break.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: sygyzy
You are almost as bad as that gun nut guy here. What's his name? Spec Ops 007? This is Off-Topic, not American Muscle Cars dot org. Every one of your post topics are about how you love American cars, how you hate imports, how to detail your car, how to fix up your car, and flamebaits like this one. Enough already man.

Hmmm maybe I like discussing things, as for the fact of me not liking to discuss what is for lunch or some 15 year olds dating problems, I do not click on the thread. You can do the same if you have nothing to add to the discussion.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

 

[sniperruff]

a sporty car is fun to drive in its category... ie the civic type R, focus ZX3, SVT contour, the E190 2.3 etc etc

a sports car is a car designed for the tracks... aka the S2000, NSX, focus RS, Lancer Evolution/WRX Sti... all the way up to the ZO6, 911 GT3 RS, F430 CS etc etc. these are cars that are better suited for tracks than for everyday driving.

it doesn't matter how much power/cylinder a car has. it's how a car is designed that designate what kind of car it is. i mean hell, a ricer econo 4-banger box made out of plastic from 1995 as known as the lancer evolution 3 has more power than your american "muscle car" as known as the 1995 SVT cobra mustang... so your "V8 is better than everything else" theory is null.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

Yes a Civic SI is a civic, but a civic is not a Civic SI, your logic fails you, go back to school.


Fun to drive? Hmm yes that makes a car sporty to some degree, and an Accord is not fun to drive.

Why is the MZDAPD3 a perfect example of sporty? Well let us see here. It is not a sports car, because it is a wagon? Check.

Sports seats, stiched in red? Check.

6 Speed? Check

Respectively fast? Check

Sporty styling? (No not a wing or stupid looking curves) check.

Torque steer? Check

Fun to drive? Check.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

Yes a Civic SI is a civic, but a civic is not a Civic SI, your logic fails you, go back to school.


Fun to drive? Hmm yes that makes a car sporty to some degree, and an Accord is not fun to drive.

Why is the MZDAPD3 a perfect example of sporty? Well let us see here. It is not a sports car, because it is a wagon? Check.

Sports seats, stiched in red? Check.

6 Speed? Check

Respectively fast? Check

Sporty styling? (No not a wing or stupid looking curves) check.

Torque steer? Check

Fun to drive? Check.

So even tho the 2008 Accord Coupe is not out yet, you've already decided that its not fun to drive, nor respectively fast....?

I think it has quite sporty styling from the concept. 6 speed shouldn't be out of the question. FWD + 200+ hp ...probably some torque steering.

I guess the bigger question is... can you take a v6 accord and put it on the track and still give you a smile on your face like MS3 would.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

Yes a Civic SI is a civic, but a civic is not a Civic SI, your logic fails you, go back to school.


Fun to drive? Hmm yes that makes a car sporty to some degree, and an Accord is not fun to drive.

Why is the MZDAPD3 a perfect example of sporty? Well let us see here. It is not a sports car, because it is a wagon? Check.

Sports seats, stiched in red? Check.

6 Speed? Check

Respectively fast? Check

Sporty styling? (No not a wing or stupid looking curves) check.

Torque steer? Check

Fun to drive? Check.

So even tho the 2008 Accord Coupe is not out yet, you've already decided that its not fun to drive, nor respectively fast....?

Considering the fact that the car is clearly meant to be sold on the econobox market, yes.

Want keep reaching for ways to argue go ahead, but the Accord is not sporty.

That's why I did not want to quantify what sporty is, because you would just pull crap out and say said car has this this and this etc. So what if the Accord has over 200HP (and if you think it is going to be offered with a 6 speed manual tranny you are seriosuly off your rocker)? It still weighs a lot, has numb handling, no feedback etc. It was designed for an econo car, not to be sporty. Stop trying to say it is.

 

[iversonyin]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

Yes a Civic SI is a civic, but a civic is not a Civic SI, your logic fails you, go back to school.


Fun to drive? Hmm yes that makes a car sporty to some degree, and an Accord is not fun to drive.

Why is the MZDAPD3 a perfect example of sporty? Well let us see here. It is not a sports car, because it is a wagon? Check.

Sports seats, stiched in red? Check.

6 Speed? Check

Respectively fast? Check

Sporty styling? (No not a wing or stupid looking curves) check.

Torque steer? Check

Fun to drive? Check.

So even tho the 2008 Accord Coupe is not out yet, you've already decided that its not fun to drive, nor respectively fast....?

Considering the fact that the car is clearly meant to be sold on the econobox market, yes.

Want keep reaching for ways to argue go ahead, but the Accord is not sporty.

Not saying that it is. But from your definition of sporty...it fit the bill.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Yes you are, and if you read my post again because you edited you will see, no it does not fit the bill. Sorry. Once again you have the logic of a first grader.

 

[iversonyin]

I never try to say it is, its just you never said WHY its not sporty in your very first post.

 

[Krazy4Real]

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

Yes a Civic SI is a civic, but a civic is not a Civic SI, your logic fails you, go back to school.


Fun to drive? Hmm yes that makes a car sporty to some degree, and an Accord is not fun to drive.

Why is the MZDAPD3 a perfect example of sporty? Well let us see here. It is not a sports car, because it is a wagon? Check.

Sports seats, stiched in red? Check.

6 Speed? Check

Respectively fast? Check

Sporty styling? (No not a wing or stupid looking curves) check.

Torque steer? Check

Fun to drive? Check.

Your logic fails you. The MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty, but the Altima is also sporty. The Mazda is a car that looks hip to the young crowd, and sure that audience eats it up and it's relatively quick. Once you grow up a little, you realize that a little sacrifice in performance for a much quieter car is nice. You get a more spacious car that has many more extras, is more fuel efficient, and drives very well.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ


What would you consider a BMW M3? It's based on a regular sedan, so it's not exactly a pure sports car like a Miata or a 911, it's certainly not a muscle car, but it's not just "sporty", either.

It would seem like a sporty sedan that performs impressively.

Many people don't consider the Corvette a sports car, since it's too large and powerful. They want to call it a GT car.

If you think about it, it's hard to classify cars, and you often have to stretch the definitions to get some cars to fit in the category.

the vette is the same size as the 911, roughtly. 911 is longer and taller, vette is wider, and the weight is pretty close, at least with the carrera S model. and the vette includes a trunk bigger than a town car's.



edit: and the corolla is not sporty, neither is the regular civic, and the old sentra is not 'fun to drive,' as advertising claims. none of these manufacturers want to admit that their economy cars are boring old economy cars, so they make up a bunch of euphemisms. yes, they're probably better to drive than a buick that weighs 1000 lbs more, but that isn't saying much.

 

[iversonyin]

I agree with you OP, that the current Accord Coupe is NOT sporty. It looks a little bit sporty at best. But the future concept of Altima and Accord Coupe is going to be more aggressive with the styling and more horses. I can see they will distinguish b/w the sedan, which market to a family man vs their coupes, which market to a younger crowd who want their car to be sporty.

Who know what they will do to the new Accord. But the new Altima coupe pair with the V6...I think its going to be sporty.

 

[SVT Cobra]

Originally posted by: Krazy4Real

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra

Originally posted by: iversonyin

Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
I never brought my car into this at all (I would not consider my car a sports car, it is a muscle car)...you guys did for lack of having a better arguement to debate about. (Also my Termy will whoop a Cobra R btw. ) As for those saying I am an elitist jackass, maybe I was driven that way by other elitists who try to pass their car off as practical and sporty.


Anyway I am just sick of the commericals trying to pass off the Accord/Civic/Altima/Ford 500/insert econobox as sporty, and people driving them trying to call them sporty. The V6 is not fast. Your V6 is not fast, faster than your old 4 banger yes, but not press your back into the seat fast. So stop saying it is.

A Lotus Europa is a sports car. A MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty. A V6 Accord is not sporty.

How is a MS3 GT sportier than a V6 Accord? Explain "sporty". Is it by suspension set up? Is it by 0-60? Is it by the sound of the engine?

Are you serious? Go read a review about one.

No fvck the review. The review doesn't tell me what YOU think is sporty. Answer my questions.

And is WRX sporty? and Civic Si is not?

I said a civic is not sporty. Please show me where in this thread I said a Si is not sporty?

A civic Si is not a civic? and you still haven't give me your definition of "sporty". It seem your definition of "sporty" is just something fun to drive. very vague.

Yes a Civic SI is a civic, but a civic is not a Civic SI, your logic fails you, go back to school.


Fun to drive? Hmm yes that makes a car sporty to some degree, and an Accord is not fun to drive.

Why is the MZDAPD3 a perfect example of sporty? Well let us see here. It is not a sports car, because it is a wagon? Check.

Sports seats, stiched in red? Check.

6 Speed? Check

Respectively fast? Check

Sporty styling? (No not a wing or stupid looking curves) check.

Torque steer? Check

Fun to drive? Check.

Your logic fails you. The MazdaSpeed 3 GT is sporty, but the Altima is also sporty. The Mazda is a car that looks hip to the young crowd, and sure that audience eats it up and it's relatively quick. Once you grow up a little, you realize that a little sacrifice in performance for a much quieter car is nice. You get a more spacious car that has many more extras, is more fuel efficient, and drives very well.

I owned a Volvo 850 for most of my life, I don't need you to tell me the difference between sporty and practical. And, no the Altima is also not sporty. It still has a dust buster engine and is meant for a compromise for people between luxary and a cheap car, plus a little boost so it doesn't move like a turtle. That is not sporty.