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fleabag

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Not suppose to eat more than 10 ounces of red meat a week. That means two decks of cards worth of red meat. I wonder how many people are going to argue with me about this over here..
 

fleabag

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It's bad for you... Risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer is correlated with high consumption of red meat.
 
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It's bad for you... Risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer is correlated with high consumption of red meat.

You cannot generalize red meat as a whole. Buffalo meat, ostrich meat, and grass fed beef are all great sources of protein. They are lower in saturated fats and much higher in omega-3 FAs plus nutrients. If you buy normal red meat at the grocery store, then sure. That's because it has been grain fed for its entire life, which is completely unnatural for the animal. Research your sources of red meat and don't buy the crappy stuff. On top of that, exercise. Exercising can essentially offset most dietary issues.
 

Howard

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I'll damn well eat as much red meat as I want, cooked to the supermarket's recommended internal temperature, not the rancher's.
 

brikis98

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It's bad for you... Risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer is correlated with high consumption of red meat.

You should look up what that word means in a dictionary.

Also, "red meat" is a VERY broad category.
 

fleabag

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You should look up what that word means in a dictionary.

Also, "red meat" is a VERY broad category.
I know "red meat" is a broad category but red meat is red meat.. I'm not sure where they came up with specifically red meat but it is what it is.
 

brikis98

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I know "red meat" is a broad category but red meat is red meat.. I'm not sure where they came up with specifically red meat but it is what it is.

Uh... what? I'm not sure I understand your reply.

Now look, I'm guessing this is the study you are referring to: Meat Intake and Mortality. It was big on the news, but if you actually read the study or any critiques of it (such as this one and this one), you'd realize how many flaws there are. Here are a few key issues:

1. Correlation does not equal causation. The study, which is based on (notoriously inaccurate) self reported food intake surveys, determined only that a higher intake of red meat was associated with an increased rate of CVD and cancer. This is a VERY VERY long way from showing that red meat actually causes either of those diseases.

2. Even the correlation seems particularly weak in this study as they did not try to account for a TON of very important variables that are WELL known to affect CVD and cancer rates. These include the intake of fruits/vegetables (it was noted that the highest meat group had the lowest antioxidant intake!) and carbohydrate intake. And, even more importantly, this gem directly from the study itself: "subjects who consumed more red meat tended to be married, more likely of non-Hispanic white ethnicity, more likely a current smoker, have a higher body mass index, and have a higher daily intake of energy, total fat, and saturated fat, and they tended to have lower education and physical activity levels and lower fruit, vegetable, fiber, and vitamin supplement intakes." Ummmm. Since just about any & all of those factors could easily account for the different rates of disease, I think this largely makes the results of this study null & void.

3. As SC pointed out, not all "red meat" is the same. In this study, the "red meat" included "bacon, beef, cold cuts, ham, hamburger, hotdogs, liver, pork, sausage, steak, and meats in foods such as pizza, chili, lasagna, and stew." I don't know about you, but I consider there to be a world of difference between a filet mignon and a hot dog, but this study doesn't.
 
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Mr. Pedantic

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I know "red meat" is a broad category but red meat is red meat.. I'm not sure where they came up with specifically red meat but it is what it is.
Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I have an idea!

How about you actually read the articles published in peer-reviewed journals on the subject first and then if you have any conclusions you can post them here in the confidence that you can back up your arguments with precise, well-written articles of well-conducted studies instead of stumbling into here with no backup and a statement so vague you could sail a supertanker through it?
 

fleabag

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Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I have an idea!

How about you actually read the articles published in peer-reviewed journals on the subject first and then if you have any conclusions you can post them here in the confidence that you can back up your arguments with precise, well-written articles of well-conducted studies instead of stumbling into here with no backup and a statement so vague you could sail a supertanker through it?

Will do.
 

jeanclaude

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Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I have an idea!

How about you actually read the articles published in peer-reviewed journals on the subject first and then if you have any conclusions you can post them here in the confidence that you can back up your arguments with precise, well-written articles of well-conducted studies instead of stumbling into here with no backup and a statement so vague you could sail a supertanker through it?


well said.

doubt the 'bag' will take your advice because he seems to be highly resistant to common sense, logic, the laws of physics, or statistics etc etc etc.

far more than most. it seems to be pathological with him. perhaps that is why he still lives in his parents basement and obsesses about tiny mundane details.
 

rcpratt

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Someone would have to prove a lot more than that to get me to eat that little red meat.
 

Whisper

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Uh... what? I'm not sure I understand your reply.

Now look, I'm guessing this is the study you are referring to: Meat Intake and Mortality. It was big on the news, but if you actually read the study or any critiques of it (such as this one and this one), you'd realize how many flaws there are. Here are a few key issues:

1. Correlation does not equal causation. The study, which is based on (notoriously inaccurate) self reported food intake surveys, determined only that a higher intake of red meat was associated with an increased rate of CVD and cancer. This is a VERY VERY long way from showing that red meat actually causes either of those diseases.

2. Even the correlation seems particularly weak in this study as they did not try to account for a TON of very important variables that are WELL known to affect CVD and cancer rates. These include the intake of fruits/vegetables (it was noted that the highest meat group had the lowest antioxidant intake!) and carbohydrate intake. And, even more importantly, this gem directly from the study itself: "subjects who consumed more red meat tended to be married, more likely of non-Hispanic white ethnicity, more likely a current smoker, have a higher body mass index, and have a higher daily intake of energy, total fat, and saturated fat, and they tended to have lower education and physical activity levels and lower fruit, vegetable, fiber, and vitamin supplement intakes." Ummmm. Since just about any & all of those factors could easily account for the different rates of disease, I think this largely makes the results of this study null & void.

3. As SC pointed out, not all "red meat" is the same. In this study, the "red meat" included "bacon, beef, cold cuts, ham, hamburger, hotdogs, liver, pork, sausage, steak, and meats in foods such as pizza, chili, lasagna, and stew." I don't know about you, but I consider there to be a world of difference between a filet mignon and a hot dog, but this study doesn't.

It's a shame that the methdologically-shaky studies always seem to be the ones that get plugged by the media. Probably because they're the ones that most typically come up with "earth-shattering" results. Meanwhile, the actual science being conducted quietly in the background is generally ignored.
 
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