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dougp

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This. Can't believe all the whining I'm seeing over this. It's a free service, Sony owes NOTHING to customers (except maybe PS+ users). This is an entertainment service, it does little else. From the sounds of it, people have nothing else in their lives to occupy their time. Sound like junkies.

I just wanted to check, and it certainly looks like PSN is listed as feature for buying a PS3.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...46156#features

So in that case, yes, Sony owes it to it's customers to keep the service alive. And I really don't care, I sold my PS3 a year ago - I just think it's funny how people will bash XBL for being down for a day, but PSN goes down for multiple days and those people who bash XBL claim that no one should care or be upset that PSN is down.
 

Bonesdad

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I just wanted to check, and it certainly looks like PSN is listed as feature for buying a PS3.

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...46156#features

So in that case, yes, Sony owes it to it's customers to keep the service alive. And I really don't care, I sold my PS3 a year ago - I just think it's funny how people will bash XBL for being down for a day, but PSN goes down for multiple days and those people who bash XBL claim that no one should care or be upset that PSN is down.

Again, Sony owes you nothing. Do you try to get $$ from the power company when a storm knocks out power? Does anyone have that expectation? Not like there is nothing else in this world to spend time on.
 

dougp

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Again, Sony owes you nothing. Do you try to get $$ from the power company when a storm knocks out power? Does anyone have that expectation? Not like there is nothing else in this world to spend time on.

Relating a power outage to PSN being down? Completely different service, sir. Let me guess, next you'll try to relate murder, or perhaps a DUI to PSN being down!

Do yourself a favor, if you don't really care - quit posting in the thread.
 

Beev

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Relating a power outage to PSN being down? Completely different service, sir. Let me guess, next you'll try to relate murder, or perhaps a DUI to PSN being down!

Do yourself a favor, if you don't really care - quit posting in the thread.

I care. I just said that nobody should expect compensation, and that Sony certainly doesn't owe anyone anything either. But I very much care.
 

Deeko

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Jun 16, 2000
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Look...it sucks that its down. I don't have TV service anymore, I have Hulu Plus, and a part of my decision to do so was how well it works through my PS3...so, yea, I'm feeling the pain here. But lets get serious...scanning through this thread, I keep seeing the word "recompense" and "reimburse"....are you guys serious? This might be a black eye for Sony but they don't owe you anything.
 

meltdown75

Lifer
Nov 17, 2004
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i care too and i do have other things to do, but i have been watching sopranos lately and not gaming or using netflix.

i still think it sucks that the psn is down though. and that it was the result of some sort of attack really sucks. i mean.. whoever did this attack just bummed out a bunch of people that want to play their games online over the easter weekend it's like nerds hurting geeks or something... it ain't right, man! :'(
 

meltdown75

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Nov 17, 2004
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I know you are waiting for additional information on when PlayStation Network and Qriocity services will be online. Unfortunately, I don’t have an update or timeframe to share at this point in time.

As we previously noted, this is a time intensive process and we’re working to get them back online quickly. We’ll keep you updated with information as it becomes available. We once again thank you for your patience.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2011/04/25/psn-update/
 

Anteaus

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Oct 28, 2010
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My largest pain comes from netflix, or its absence. I use my PS3 to stream it so I'm incredibly annoyed. I don't understand why I require PSN to use netflix when netflix has it's own login server. I don't blame Sony at all for it because I can still access netflix on my PC and streaming it on my PS3 is a privilage, but I'm about 10 seconds from selling my PS3 and buying a netflix enabled blu-ray player. If this outage lasts thru wednsday thats exact what I'm going to do.
 

alent1234

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Dec 15, 2002
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i've been streaming netflix on my Ps3 with no problems

open netflix
it asks to sign in to PSN
click sign in
verify that it's down for maintenance
sign in again
after a few times netflix comes up and works ok
 

Queasy

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Aug 24, 2001
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The only ones that I can think of that deserve any kind of recompense during this outage is subscribers to DC Universe Online, Hulu Plus, MLB.tv or Netflix (if you can get it working).
 

Anteaus

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i've been streaming netflix on my Ps3 with no problems

open netflix
it asks to sign in to PSN
click sign in
verify that it's down for maintenance
sign in again
after a few times netflix comes up and works ok

I tried that but it won't work. I log into netflix but it will keep kicking me back to the PSN login. No amount of times will let me through.
 

Deeko

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Jun 16, 2000
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The only ones that I can think of that deserve any kind of recompense during this outage is subscribers to DC Universe Online, Hulu Plus, MLB.tv or Netflix (if you can get it working).

but even Hulu Plus, its not like you're paying Sony for that. I can't access my Hulu Plus on PSN right now...so last night, I hooked up my laptop to the TV. Or I could watch it on my Sony Blu Ray player in another room. You pay Hulu for that service, which happens to work on the PS3.

...and even if they did compensate you, 1 week of your $8/month subscription is what....$2? Is it really worth it?
 

Jules

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Oct 9, 1999
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No, Sony lost more money on the PS3 than MS did on the 360 console, and continues to make less on the hardware.

Xbox: $299 + $40/year, cheaper hardware (e.g. no blu-ray drive)
PS3: $299 + $0, blu-ray.

Sony doesn't treat PSN online gaming as a profit center like MS does, they make whatever money from PSN off of game sales, DLC and movies. (And the few people who pay for PSN Plus for whatever odd reason.)

Whats so bad about PSN Plus?
 

Queasy

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but even Hulu Plus, its not like you're paying Sony for that. I can't access my Hulu Plus on PSN right now...so last night, I hooked up my laptop to the TV. Or I could watch it on my Sony Blu Ray player in another room. You pay Hulu for that service, which happens to work on the PS3.

...and even if they did compensate you, 1 week of your $8/month subscription is what....$2? Is it really worth it?

Not saying whether or not it is worth it. Just pointing out that those are the only services that people are actually putting money towards that are affected by the outage.
 

Queasy

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Aug 24, 2001
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Per Ars technica Sony is not bringing up PSN because they are not sure your credit card info is safe.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/...y-isnt-sure-your-credit-card-data-is-safe.ars

That's not exactly correct. Sony is unsure if credit card and personal inform has been compromised or not. But no where does it mention that that is the reason why PSN has not been brought back up.

The stated reason for why the PSN outage is lasting as long as it has so far is because Sony is rebuilding the network which is a time intensive process.
 

Queasy

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Aug 24, 2001
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Btw, the inFamous 2 beta will be extended due to the PSN issues. Sucker Punch won't say how long though until PSN is brought back up.
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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Btw, the inFamous 2 beta will be extended due to the PSN issues. Sucker Punch won't say how long though until PSN is brought back up.

There's an infamous 2 beta going on? Bah I miss out on all the fun
 

Queasy

Moderator<br>Console Gaming
Aug 24, 2001
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There's an infamous 2 beta going on? Bah I miss out on all the fun

Yeah, I goofed up and forgot to sign up for it along with the Resistance 3 beta and the Xbox LIVE Spring preview program.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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I'm so annoyed about this whole thing only because I was gonna play portal on the PC and so got the PS3 version so I could basically have a version on each. Can't even activate the code though
 

gorcorps

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Jul 18, 2004
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I'm so annoyed about this whole thing only because I was gonna play portal on the PC and so got the PS3 version so I could basically have a version on each. Can't even activate the code though

That's a bummer. Glad I activated mine as soon as I got it.
 

gorcorps

aka Brandon
Jul 18, 2004
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Yeah, I goofed up and forgot to sign up for it along with the Resistance 3 beta and the Xbox LIVE Spring preview program.

I move that with your moderator powers you create a sticky thread that has basically a calendar of all the betas and such. I suppose anybody can make this thread, but it'd be nice to have it stickied.

It would be nice to have a one stop list of everything currently ongoing, with links to signups if they're still open.
 

EightySix Four

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Jul 17, 2004
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Ok, I've seen a bunch of speculation of why people think PSN is down, and I thought I should just post what the community knows in comparison to what Sony is telling everyone. The truth is, there was a new CFW (custom firmware) released known as Rebug (http://rebug.me). It essentially turns a retail console into a dev console (not fully, but gives you a lot of the same options that usually dev's only have access to). Anyway, this new CFW was quickly figured out to give CFW users access to the PSN network again via the dev networks. With a little manipulation of the URL's through a proxy server you could get your hacked console back online. Not that big of a deal, right? Well, it also turns out that some people over at NGU found out that you could provide fake CC# info and the authenticity of the information was never checked as you were on Sony's private developer PSN network (essentially a network that Sony trusted). What happened next was extreme piracy of PSN content. Sony realizing the issue here shut down the network. Now, before you go freaking out about the latest information posted about Kotaku, no ones personal information was accessible via this hack. Not to say they couldn't get it, but no one is admitting to it being available. Anyway, that's the real reason for the PSN downtime. Sony is now rebuilding all of it's PSN servers to be more secure and (hopefully) make sure the CFW users cannot get online anymore.

Source

Take it with a grain of salt, but it's at least interesting.
 
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