PSU for heavy duty machine

[Akira1224]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Thermalrock... right now your reputation in these forums is going down. You are arguing opinions with out any bases for fact.

You just said that a Seasonic rated at the same wattage as an OCZ will win. Well, no sh!t, thats like saying an A64 clocked at 3.2ghz will beat a Pentium. THe fact is they are not.

YOu are not providing any bases for your posts, you are just posting the first thing that comes to your mind.

-Kevin

Gamingphreek did you forget about this... talk about reputations hitting the fan.

Anyway I would recommend either a Fortron or PC Power and Cooling.

 

[Zepper]

Ultra PSUs are just Powmax with a pretty face - $20. PSU for $100... Ripoff!
.bh.

 

[0roo0roo]

just look at the reviews of the recommended units on page 3. the seasonics are rather well built.

 

[CraigRT]

Originally posted by: TwYsTeD
I recently bought one of those 500W modular psu's from Ultra. I was a bit wary of buying a psu from them, but so far it has been rock solid. I've had no problems whatsoever and it cleans up the inside of my case quite a bit.

I love mine too.. voltages are the most stable I've ever seen in any PSU I've owned.

I do agree the PSU is probably not quality like the OCZ, but it's not as bad as people say, that's for damn sure.

 

[Thermalrock]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Thermalrock... right now your reputation in these forums is going down. You are arguing opinions with out any bases for fact.

You just said that a Seasonic rated at the same wattage as an OCZ will win. Well, no sh!t, thats like saying an A64 clocked at 3.2ghz will beat a Pentium. THe fact is they are not.

YOu are not providing any bases for your posts, you are just posting the first thing that comes to your mind.

-Kevin

i dont get your point. i never said a seasonic 350 could supply more power than a 520w ocz. all i said was that seasonic iare very good psus as ocz are too- additionally i said that a seasonic 350 can supply more power than those 350w which you can test yourself. seasonic is rating their psus rather conservative. i did not say it will supply more w than a big ocz supplies. all i said is that the difference will be smaller than the ratings will make you think. a 350w seasonic does not supply 170w less than a 520w ocz. test it yourself it will most likely supply like 100w less (again so you understand what im trying to say this time: NOT 170w less). so the difference isnt as big as the difference of the ratings.

nothing i said was untrue, seasonic not being any worse than any other company is obviously my opinion which you dont have to share everything else i said is true. feel free to read on it on the net or try it out yourself if you have the cash to get one of each to compare them yourself.

 

[fibes]

Super-Flower

 

[nealh]

thermalrock..how did your father test the OCZ and Seasonic to pshow the OCZ is overated and the Seasonic is underated

I purchased a OCZ 520w and if they are not providing 520w I want my moneyback...that to me is fraud...

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Akira1224

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Thermalrock... right now your reputation in these forums is going down. You are arguing opinions with out any bases for fact.

You just said that a Seasonic rated at the same wattage as an OCZ will win. Well, no sh!t, thats like saying an A64 clocked at 3.2ghz will beat a Pentium. THe fact is they are not.

YOu are not providing any bases for your posts, you are just posting the first thing that comes to your mind.

-Kevin

Gamingphreek did you forget about this... talk about reputations hitting the fan.

Anyway I would recommend either a Fortron or PC Power and Cooling.

Oh yeah... im really scared. FelixDaKat posted that... the biggest troll in these forums. If you didn't notice he went on and i just backed off. I did nothing wrong and that has no relevance to this topic.

OCZ=Power and Features

Seasonic= Silent and Efficiency.

He said he want the most powerful PSU henceforth the OCZ or PCP&C are the top 2.

-Kevin

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
just look at the reviews of the recommended units on page 3. the seasonics are rather well built.

apparently i failed to link
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article28-page1.html

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: nealh
thermalrock..how did your father test the OCZ and Seasonic to pshow the OCZ is overated and the Seasonic is underated

I purchased a OCZ 520w and if they are not providing 520w I want my moneyback...that to me is fraud...

it depends how they measure the wattage. at what temperature, how many volts from plug.... its very easy to fudge numbers. the silentpcreview.com recommendations article has a little on this.

 

[nealh]

OrooOroo...I agree companies can mislead etc but I would rma the ocz take a loss if I getting screwed..I paid a small premium for it vs Enermax for example...but I believe the OCZ is better than the Enermax Noisetaker and ANtec Neopower on features and stated wattage..in fact if enermax make a 500W or so noistaker(not a 485) price would be the same

But many of the reviews that looked at the PSU felt it was under labled based on wattage

so I seen several people say that OCZ and several other companies like enermax and ?antec are overlabeling wattage in real life stuff but no one has shown a link to confirm this....

I have no loyalty to any company that deliberately lies ....Aantec, enermax, OCZ or anyone...screw them it is my hard earned money

So if I am getting screwed I want to change it

Now, to imply the Seasonic 350w psu is really mislabeled and is a 420w...hmm again I need to see data..I did not get a Seasonic as there 12v rail did not provide 30A..only 22A
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article97-page2.html

now if it is underated and 400w PSU is like a 480 or 500W I would have rather got this though...it is missing some features for near future, ie PCI-E cable etc

 

[nealh]

Just a small note at silentpcreviews

I think this is a nexcellent for reviews but from a quiet standpoint on some of these PSU...the tester is not very consistent....OCZ is louder at startup and in common load range 150-250W...in the low end it is slightly louder ..in higher end it is lower than what Seasonic super silent PSU is..and it is max db level is lower than Seasonic and Enermax noisetaker series....yet they say it is not a challenge to any of the silent high watt psu(even the "loud" antec true power 550)....hmmm

 

[Thermalrock]

i did in no way say that ocz builds bad psus. i like them alot actually. my dad is into that stuff cuz its kinda job related, i however study english. when he tells me something about electricity i jusrt believe him like he doesnt question me when i tell him something about literature or linguistics.

i think he said the ocz (note the one ocz i own, i dont care enough to purchase several identical psus for testing reasons.) was rated rather liberal as doing a lil less than its rating without leaving the +/- 5%, i asked him again and he said if he remembers right my 520w ocz did 500w okay and had some trouble doing more than that. his as my seasonic however both rated 350w impressed him very much cuz they were able to supply solid 420w. thats still 80w less than the ocz but the difference isnt as high as the ratings can make one believe. as for how he tested this stuff exactly i dont know id prolly be too stupid to understand it anyway. he wasnt dissappointed with the ocz at all the seasonics just impressed him cuz of the low rating and the actual power they are able to supply. the high efficiency lets them stay rather cool too i think he said running windows desktop without any programms on, so nowhere near full load, the psu never went above 2° C of the temperature of his office. seasonic builds awesome psus. this doesnt mean that ocz builds bad ones and thats not what ive been saying all along. its my opinion that over all, even tho 80w less, for the noise level, efficiency and ability to supply more w than its rating all within the +/- 5% V, seasonic build the best psus. if a person needs more watts for whatever reason, tho i cant think of a home pc that would need more than 420w, he or she will have to go for the ocz 520w for example as it supplies 80w more.

since some ppl dont seem to like what i posted ill say this once more and hope theyll read right this time:

-i like seasonic the most while i still like ocz alot (especially their ram they my nr1 there)

-its a fact that seasonic supplies more than its rating says which most psus do not do so the rating difference is bigger than the actual difference. this does not mean there arent psus that supply more power (the ocz powerstream 520. does.)

if this gets ppl (or just kevin dunno) worked up im sorry.

 

[Thermalrock]

ps i like ocz more than enermax, enermax builds solid psus too tho.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
i did in no way say that ocz builds bad psus. i like them alot actually. my dad is into that stuff cuz its kinda job related, i however study english. when he tells me something about electricity i jusrt believe him like he doesnt question me when i tell him something about literature or linguistics.

i think he said the ocz (note the one ocz i own, i dont care enough to purchase several identical psus for testing reasons.) was rated rather liberal as doing a lil less than its rating without leaving the +/- 5%, i asked him again and he said if he remembers right my 520w ocz did 500w okay and had some trouble doing more than that. his as my seasonic however both rated 350w impressed him very much cuz they were able to supply solid 420w. thats still 80w less than the ocz but the difference isnt as high as the ratings can make one believe. as for how he tested this stuff exactly i dont know id prolly be too stupid to understand it anyway. he wasnt dissappointed with the ocz at all the seasonics just impressed him cuz of the low rating and the actual power they are able to supply. the high efficiency lets them stay rather cool too i think he said running windows desktop without any programms on, so nowhere near full load, the psu never went above 2° C of the temperature of his office. seasonic builds awesome psus. this doesnt mean that ocz builds bad ones and thats not what ive been saying all along. its my opinion that over all, even tho 80w less, for the noise level, efficiency and ability to supply more w than its rating all within the +/- 5% V, seasonic build the best psus. if a person needs more watts for whatever reason, tho i cant think of a home pc that would need more than 420w, he or she will have to go for the ocz 520w for example as it supplies 80w more.

since some ppl dont seem to like what i posted ill say this once more and hope theyll read right this time:

-i like seasonic the most while i still like ocz alot (especially their ram they my nr1 there)

-its a fact that seasonic supplies more than its rating says which most psus do not do so the rating difference is bigger than the actual difference. this does not mean there arent psus that supply more power (the ocz powerstream 520. does.)

if this gets ppl (or just kevin dunno) worked up im sorry.

No offense (dont intend to be mean) but your dad is... full of it, or you are lying.

Review

Certainly looks to me like it is severly underrated.

Another

Yet Another

Yet Another: This one really shows it

Yet Another

I can do some more if you want. I do not deny the fact that the Seasonic is the most efficient PSU on the market however the OCZ is also extremely underrated with the 470 being closer to 600watts.

-Kevin

Edit: YOu seem to like SPCR a lot so here is there review
Link: not as effecient as the Seasonic but much more powerful... hmm didn't i say that

 

[Thermalrock]

im not gonna read all your links. i dont care if you think im lying or not. if you wanna test my ocz yourself mail me 100 euros and do so. if you get it to give a solid 550 (mine is a 520 so it should be able to do more than the 460 which your article claims does 600 so 550 should be real easy for the 520 yeah?) for longer than the peak load feature it has allows 30 secs or a min dont remember ill buy it back for 150.

if you wanna do this gimme your email, either way id apreciate you not insulting my dad or calling me a liar until you took a look at my psu. if you get it to supply 550 for a few hours you can call me whatever you want and ill give you 50 bucks extra plus pay for both way shipping.

 

[nealh]

thermalrock...I hope you are referring to gamephreek and not me...

I never said or hope implied your dad was wrong....my father was an EE(he got a doctorate) I have a huge respect for anyone to have become a physicist as well..brutual math

My concern is that he has found the OCZ 520w to basically give a good 500W...not 520...whereas the seasonic is providing a good bit more juice...on his results I would bet the 400w seasonics are really 500w PSUs
BTW when i was asking about testing I was hoping to find what hardware configs he was to show 500w usage...but I am assume he used some math formulas and gizmos to get the info

I almost bought seasonic but the 400w was only rated to 22A on 12v rail...maybe I should have gotten it anyway...

based on silentpcreview the OCZ and seasonic are very close in their efficiency

oh well the take home is at least it hits 500w the OCZ...with some nice features...
wonder if the amp ratings on the rails then are way off on the Seasonic PSUs

Thanks for the great info

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
im not gonna read all your links. i dont care if you think im lying or not. if you wanna test my ocz yourself mail me 100 euros and do so. if you get it to give a solid 550 (mine is a 520 so it should be able to do more than the 460 which your article claims does 600 so 550 should be real easy for the 520 yeah?) for longer than the peak load feature it has allows 30 secs or a min dont remember ill buy it back for 150.

if you wanna do this gimme your email, either way id apreciate you not insulting my dad or calling me a liar until you took a look at my psu. if you get it to supply 550 for a few hours you can call me whatever you want and ill give you 50 bucks extra plus pay for both way shipping.

Well you are just spitting out unsupported evidence. You have no basis for your fact!

EVERY SINGLE reviewer has stated that the OCZ is extremely underrated. You are the ONLY person who has said anything contrary.

I never said Seasonic again. Again i will say they make the most efficient PSU on the market and are very well built. No matter how efficient they are they aren't going to hold up to the strain the PCP&C, and the OCZ are because they are not rated to. If Seasonic released a higher watt PSU with the same great efficiency then i would have no problem saying that they are at the top, but the fact is they are not.

As for 600Watt on peak load i believe they decided NOT to test it for the regular 15mintues because it draws so much power so they only tested it (and it ran flawlessly) for 1 minute.

Lastly, however efficient Seasonic may be there amperage on the 12V rail is not nearly in the high end sector. OCZ has 33 compared to 22 on the seasonic and i BELIEVE Enermax has one with even higher than that.

All in all if Seasonic released a more powerful PSU geared towards enthusiasts it would likely compete much better but as of now they are out classed by Antec Enermax OCZ and PCP&C.

No i dont want to buy your PSU, i have already read all the reviews and therefore dont need to go and buy something just to prove a point, i am happy with my POS Allied PSU (Which i will be getting rid of soon in favour of some peace and quiet )

-Kevin

 

[Thor86]

Using an Antec 550watt Trupower myself, and its powering 4 x 15k rpm drives, 2 optical drives, and an ATI X800 video card. Plus, I am overclocking my cpu 3.2 to 3.8 with no problems.

 

[0roo0roo]

As for 600Watt on peak load i believe they decided NOT to test it for the regular 15mintues because it draws so much power so they only tested it (and it ran flawlessly) for 1 minute.

thats not much of a reason for not testing really. they probably didn't test because 600 is obviously just peak, almost no chance it would run it sustained. plus their just testing for a review, not to find out whether its underrated most systems don't pull much sustained power to begin with, let alone anywhere near 600, or even 300.. so its pointless.

 

[Thermalrock]

well here i am and i got this 520w ocz that doesnt supply 520, but 500. no reason for me to complain and i still like it. i also got this seasonic that supplies a bunch more than it rating promises 24/7 and the seasonic of my dad can do it too.

but you say either im a liar or my dad doesnt know his job. i do NOT work for seasonic. i do NOT dislike ocz. i ordered another gb of their ram just two days ago, 3200 el platinum series rev 2, ill email you a picture of the bill if you really want it. i would recommmend their products to any of my friends. i have no reason to be biased. however im not gonna send you a perfectly working 500w supply thats very nice for free even tho its rated 520w. i however will make sure you wont lose money if youre right and you get it to run over its rating, which btw seasonics do easily. but it doesnt do it. i know it can do it for 30 secs or a min cuz of its peak load feature ( which the seasonic and most psus do not have) but then it supplies slightly less than its rating promises which isnt a problem for me as an ocz customer, as ill keep ordering their products as long as i dont get dissapointed 500/520 isnt a problem for me cuz i get about what i bought. i am saying the two seasonics that my family owns supply more than their rating (i called my dad and asked he said both did 70 more and he had to make em work a little harder than that for them to not stay in the +/- 5% of the voltage and one beat the other by a freakish small margin that suggests that both ar every similar and the fact that they are able to do this means that seasonic doesnt rate their psus aggressive at all) while the one ocz i got doesnt live up to the 520w its rating promises but almost does, i would never question a person who tells me he tested his 520 ocz and it was able to supply those 520w, mine doses 500 hell thats 4% off if the voltage is 5%off thats still okay so im not gonna cry about 4% total power.
NOTE: this is still 80w more than the two seasonics supply which makes the OCZ the MOST POWERFUL PSU i own JUST NOT BY AS MUCH AS THE RATING MADE ME BELIEVE at first.

i ask you to either stop insulting me or any of my family members or take a look at this psu and test it yourself. if you find any of my statements untrue you may post that and as i said ill buy it back for a 50 bucks more and pay both way shipping. i would expect you to post that what i say is true tho when you find out it is.

ps: no peak load crap, gotta supply it a few hours as a psu is suppose to supply its rating 24/7.

 

[Thermalrock]

oh and the platinum series rev 2 is by far the best ram ive ever got my hands on and i might even get the rev 1 just to test if my friend is right when saying that it can do everything the rev 2 can do at the same voltage. ive never seen any ram do it. not corsair not geil not kingston. ocz sells quality products. seasonic sells quality products and underrates em.

 

[Thermalrock]

and about seasonic not being for enthusiasts. i promise you can build a pc that outperforms yours so bad you wont look at it again running perfectly fine with the power a 350w seasonic supplies. trsuts me on this.

i can load it with 420w. show me one build that makes sense for a private owned pc that uses more than 420w and ill shut up.

 

[Operandi]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
whats your point. and yes they shut down they dont 'melt' sigh.

My point is your not backing up comments with facts. You say Seaonsics are conservatively rated and are good for well over their rated output, ok that?s fine but back it up with something. How were the PSU?s were tested and what were the results?

yes, they do melt.

 

[Thermalrock]

what were the results? the seasonic psu supplied 420w over several hours tho its rated 350.

how was it tested? it was put under load.

all you need are a few ampere- and a few volt-meters. ampere VA=W.