PSU for heavy duty machine

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
what were the results? the seasonic psu supplied 420w over several hours tho its rated 350.

how was it tested? it was put under load.

all you need are a few ampere- and a few volt-meters. ampere VA=W.

Oh but it has to supply it 24/7.

Also why the hell dont you send that PSU back then. 500Watt and it says 520 isn't there something wrong with that, especiialy when EVERY SINGLE other reviewer says it is rated extremely conservatively.

and about seasonic not being for enthusiasts. i promise you can build a pc that outperforms yours so bad you wont look at it again running perfectly fine with the power a 350w seasonic supplies. trsuts me on this.

Oh you can huh? :roll:

Well the minute some here donates me a couple thousand dollars to build a bleeding edge PC ill let ya know.

Oh you want a build that supplies more.... IIRC one of those benchmarks showed that. It was the OCZ 420 vs a 480Thermaltake and they gradually OCed it and eventually the TT topped out whereas the OCZ kept on going.
Also im sure that one of the people here that is running a SCSI RAID array and dual Xeons or something to that extent will need just a whole helluva lot more than 350Watt. I mean dont 2 prescotts take over 200Watt ALONE?

Like i have been saying all along, AxionOperandi just pointed out you are not backing up you facts and you continually contradict yourself.

One last thing you can edit your posts, you dont have to post a new one each time you feel like adding something.

-Kevin

 

[Thermalrock]

you cant run two prescotts in one system... one would think you could know this given the ammount of time you spend on anandtech.com.

 

[Gamingphreek]

I meant 2 Nocona Core Xeons, which are based off of Prescotts design (w/ EMT64; more cache (etc). IIRC they consume the same if not more than a Prescott based processor.

I know what im talking about... you keep trying to talk to me like I dont. If you haven't gotten the picture i DO know what im talking about, so i would stop trying.

-Kevin

 

[Sonic587]

Enough arguing guys. PM eachother if you want to fight about this.

Probably scared the poor OP away...

 

[Thermalrock]

k my intelligent friend. either way opterons trash nAconas which are based ON the prescott's design and dont use as much power anyway.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Why in the world did you bring the Opterons beating the Noconas into this??? We aren't even discussing that.... for your Information the Noconas actually do fairly well performance wise however they consume more power and henceforth produce more heat than the Opterons.

Its Nocona.

You just restated what i just said, in my prior post. Are you stupid or something, do you know anything about what you are talking about or are you just saying crap to start arguments.

-Kevin

 

[Thermalrock]

well thing is i said you dont need this much power to build a fast system then you bring up xeons which arent as fast as opterons and use way more power. why would i wanna buy two slower chips? to have em need more power than two faster ones would all just to need more power than my psu can supply?

 

[Thermalrock]

Originally posted by: nealh
thermalrock...I hope you are referring to gamephreek and not me...

I never said or hope implied your dad was wrong....my father was an EE(he got a doctorate) I have a huge respect for anyone to have become a physicist as well..brutual math

My concern is that he has found the OCZ 520w to basically give a good 500W...not 520...whereas the seasonic is providing a good bit more juice...on his results I would bet the 400w seasonics are really 500w PSUs
BTW when i was asking about testing I was hoping to find what hardware configs he was to show 500w usage...but I am assume he used some math formulas and gizmos to get the info

I almost bought seasonic but the 400w was only rated to 22A on 12v rail...maybe I should have gotten it anyway...

based on silentpcreview the OCZ and seasonic are very close in their efficiency

oh well the take home is at least it hits 500w the OCZ...with some nice features...
wonder if the amp ratings on the rails then are way off on the Seasonic PSUs

Thanks for the great info

i cant give you info on seasonic's 400w because ive never owned one.

your ocz prolly supplies a clean 520w anyway. 500/520 is only 4 % off. i prolly just didnt get one of the better oczs- 4% is nothing tho so im not complaining either

as for hardware setup. he didnt use computer components. it would be pretty expensive to get enough pc parts to be able to put 400w load on the psu then 405 then 410, ... all the way up to 520. he used some resistances and checked how far the psu would go without messing up the voltage more than 5%. some day soon ill ask him to test how much off my ocz is at 520w. maybe its only 5.5% and than up to 550w i have no clue yet. i wouldnt worry if i were you the ocz is a nice supply and does have a peak load feature too that my seasonic doesnt have and additionally its more powerful too. just not as much more as the rating made me believe thats all im saying.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Thermalrock
well thing is i said you dont need this much power to build a fast system then you bring up xeons which arent as fast as opterons and use way more power. why would i wanna buy two slower chips? to have em need more power than two faster ones would all just to need more power than my psu can supply?

No how bout the Opterons aren't all powerful. They have their weaknesses too. The Xeons are much faster than you are giving them credit for. They actually are extremely competitive in most things... they just consume more poer and produce more heat.

You just said a fast system.

Well in that case i think 5 U320 SCSI drives in a RAID 5 array, Dual Opterons, 4Gig of memory, a Quadro Series graphics card... that should push upwards of 300Watt.

As to your last post... you are really full of it. Sorry dude but there is no good way to say this. You aren't backing ANYTHING up, and bringing up random facts (which have no relevance to the subject),

I believe i told you earlier that you must have a bad PSU as pretty much EVERYONE who has tested the Powerstream PSU in the past has had ~600Watts (ie found it extremely underrated)

What don't you understand about this!?!?!?

-Kevin

 

[Thermalrock]

when i get some taxes back the next time ill buy another powerstream 520w and see if that one does more.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Im not asking you to spend your hard earned money. If you think your right why are you trying to prove me wrong?

My advice is if you are 100% positive that it is not giving you the advertised voltage then just RMA it. Dont go buying another one just to try to prove a point. I have sufficiently backed up all my posts, and like i said

i told you earlier that you must have a bad PSU as pretty much EVERYONE who has tested the Powerstream PSU in the past has had ~600Watts (ie found it extremely underrated)

Im not asking for an apology nor am i apologizing it was just a discussion, just back up your facts it will gain you much more credibility

-Kevin

 

[Thermalrock]

cant rma. put some stuff around the cables to make it look better.

 

[Gamingphreek]

You didn't void the warranty or anything, in the warranty it says nothing about sleeving cables, therefore warranty is still active.

-Kevin

 

[Thermalrock]

ill call em and ask.

 

[Akira1224]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Originally posted by: Akira1224

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Thermalrock... right now your reputation in these forums is going down. You are arguing opinions with out any bases for fact.

You just said that a Seasonic rated at the same wattage as an OCZ will win. Well, no sh!t, thats like saying an A64 clocked at 3.2ghz will beat a Pentium. THe fact is they are not.

YOu are not providing any bases for your posts, you are just posting the first thing that comes to your mind.

-Kevin

Gamingphreek did you forget about this... talk about reputations hitting the fan.

Anyway I would recommend either a Fortron or PC Power and Cooling.

Oh yeah... im really scared. FelixDaKat posted that... the biggest troll in these forums. If you didn't notice he went on and i just backed off. I did nothing wrong and that has no relevance to this topic.

OCZ=Power and Features

Seasonic= Silent and Efficiency.

He said he want the most powerful PSU henceforth the OCZ or PCP&C are the top 2.

-Kevin

I never said you should be scared. There is another thread about banning you I saw a few weeks ago... It's not worth looking up. I wanted to give you a heads up though. Also I just like to make sure the playing field is level. For any one (1) person you try and discredit there is at least one (1) other person with the same views of you. Ah well. Learn the hard way I suppose.

May I also add I love how this thread turned into one big pissing match. Come on kids.... lets stop the silly flames.

 

[Gamingphreek]

#1 Neither of us are flaming, we are actually having a semi decent discussion.

#2. There was no thread trying to get me banned a few weeks ago. FelixDaKat was the ONLY person who tried to get me banned, and Felix has no credibility on these forums. He makes things up he trolls... basically he TRIES to cause problem. That thread has no credibility, and is not an honest attampt to get me banned, just a thread trying to stir up trouble. So maybe next time you post crap like that against me you should read the thread. (Also Felix has had about 50 threads of people trying to get him banned, just slipped your mind i suppose, eh?)

I am not trying to discredit ANYONE, and i haven't discredited anyone. Right now ifyou didn't notice you are just trying to cause problems as this has ABSOLUTLEY nothing to do with the thread, so unless you are trying to help someone out or in the middle of a discussion with some relevance than dont post! Its simple.

-Kevin

 

[Akira1224]

Simmer down chief... I'm not out to get you. The only reason I brought up the ban gamingphreek thread is because I remember seeing it. I don't know Felix nor have I had any run-ins with him. You may be right about him. I don't know. I do know you can be an asshat as you are being now.

I did try and help earlier in the thread. I gave my recommendations and went on my way. I popped back in and saw the pissing match was still going on and saw you had replied to my post. So I replied back. That?s how forums work. Someone makes a comment, the next person comments again. If you go back and look at my posts you will see I am always on topic. Is that something you can say? I think not.

Bring it down Kev. No one here is out to get you. Take some constructive criticism. It'll be ok. I promise.

 

[drpootums]

ok, sorry to interupt u guys, but how about the Aspire Turbo 500W. It's pretty cheap, looks nice, and seems to be pretty decent. What do u guys think about that?

http://www.newegg.com/app/View...=17-148-001&depa=0

 

[Rebel Nugget]

You could go with the most awesome psu ever created, the Ultra X-Connect 500W. http://www.monarchcomputer.com...p;Category_Code=ps-500
Just my two cents

 

[Thermalrock]

its been tested well at extrememhz.com. but all they seem to talk about is how pretty it looks so i dont know.

 

[Gamingphreek]

No where near the same class as these two PSU's. Remember we are looking for very powerful. As for the Ultra it is all flash. Not a good PSU unless you are looking for a clean case with a lot of flashiness.

As for your post Akira1224. I honestly would like to know how im being an asshat. Do tell. Also how would you know whether or not i was an asshat before hand as you have only been a member for ~1 month. Like i said earlier, neither of us is flaming we are having a civil discussion, so why are you trying to cause problems. You are making no constructive criticism you are just criticizing.

Also i do know "how we roll" in the forums.... i dont need an explanation :roll:

-Kevin

 

[Akira1224]

/sigh. Lets just stick to the topic. Which would be PSU's for a heavy duty system. If you want to banter then we can set an appointment.


EDIT: HAHAH I suck man. I got you and Gamingkid mixed up. My sincerest apologies. Carry on now. I take back everything I said. Tee hee.

 

[Thermalrock]

well im still gonna say seasonic is best as its power is enough for a regular high end pc not including dual noconas and 12+ scsi hdds at 15k rpm.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Akira1224
/sigh. Lets just stick to the topic. Which would be PSU's for a heavy duty system. If you want to banter then we can set an appointment.


EDIT: HAHAH I suck man. I got you and Gamingkid mixed up. My sincerest apologies. Carry on now. I take back everything I said. Tee hee.

lol no worries. I think i have seen Gamekid around trying to get people banned and stuff. Oh well for all i know he is an asshat lol. No harm done , also no need to apologize, we all make mistakes, i have made more than my share

For his system if he is looking to OC and stuff 350Watt Seasonic (even if it manages 420Watt) is not going to be powerful enough. Now i know Thermaltake is crap compared to these 2 but based on the review where the Thermaltake drops off and the OCZ keeps going, i would definately say that more the 420 is needed with good strong rails. Remember wattage isn't everything, the Seasonic only 22Amps on the 12V rail whereas the low end OCZ (420Watt) has IIRC 33. If he wants high end there is no use just getting a "less powerful" PSU just because it is enough. He should just get the best he can and not skimp on it, hes going to get a longer lifespan with the OCZ than the Seasonic as it has more power, and more features (EPS, and BTX included).

-Kevin

 

[Thermalrock]

i think btx is dead. was suppose to be here way back still not in sight. p4 4ghz dead too and the new pentium ms for desktop wont need it to be cooled sufficiently. also if you buy too big supply the efficiency will be very bad. the psus all drop efficiency if you put too few % of max load on them.