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jonnyGURU

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I actually prefer this calculator: http://takaman.jp/D/?english

It breaks the PC down to more detail. Just don't pick "other" unless you know what wattage the component in question is because you'll have to enter your own values.

For the record, I'm pretty handy with javaScript so I'm working on one of my own that breaks the PC down even more, but is easier to use than Takaman's. I just need some time to actually finish it!
 

shira

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Better and better!

Suggest also adding a definition of "stability". Here's a first draft definition:

Stability is the ability of a PSU to maintain output voltage close to the desired voltage, over the full range of PSU loading from idle to 100%. For example, a 430-watt PSU for which the ouput levels on the 12-volt rail vary from 11.95 to 12.05 volts over the full range of load (up to 430-watts output = 100% load) would be considered extremely stable (almost all PSUs do worse than this example). Stability of the 5-volt and 3.3 volt rails is also important, since not all system components are powered by the 12-volt rail. Stability is a crucial consideration in choosing a PSU, since stable output voltage prevents system components from being either under- or over-volted, which in turn can prevent system crashes, errors, and/or decreased component life.
 

drpootums

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ok, updated! Added 1 more link (thanks jonnyGURU) and one more definition (thanks shira).

Also put a little resources thing on the bottom (to thank people for help)...i dont know wat the proper name is...

Anyways, thanks for the support!!!
 

VirtualLarry

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I think this thread/guide is great, and deserves a sticky. Just a few minor additionals too - Chieftec, ThermalTake, and HighPower PSUs all have an HPC-xxx-yyy-zz model code, with xxx being the overall wattage rating, yyy I don't know (usually 102, or 302, that I've seen), and zz = "DF" for the dual-fan models. Whether those are actually made by Enlight, or HighPower, I don't know. HighPower site

 

QueBert

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this is a useful thread, but I feel the posts opinions are a bit off. He listed Ultra on his bad list. I own an Ultra-X Connect 500 watt. The modular cables are sweet and all, but honestly this thing performs like a beast. Even if it wasn't modular I would have bought it. Google for reviews of it, you'll find over a dozen, and they all give it very high marks. I've been running this PSU for about 2 months now, and it's rock solid, and the modular is a big +

Contrary to popular belief, Powmax DOES NOT make this PSU. They do sell a rebranded ultra though...
 

Algere

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Here's another resource link for the guide.




As for the dual rail section. You may want to amend that section with mention of 3 or more railed PSUs that include (but not limited) PCP&C's 850W four rail PSU.

As for "cannot be combined!!!". It should be clarified that rails can't be physically combined but amps can be added together when calculating total system power for example, as noted by nZone/nVidia or the exception of calculating total 12V power going into a video card which can* receive power from two seperate rails if they're being powered by both PCIe slot & power connector. The "cannot be combined!!!" statement can be applied to components powered by a single rail only, like a hard drive, motherboard, fan, etc. Naturally you can't combine or add together the amps of 2 or more rails to calculate a component's power requirement when it's only source of 12V power is from a single 12V rail.

In addition, there's a reason most if not all PSU manufacturers are moving towards producing 2+ rail PSUs. Reasons I've heard for the move are due to safety reasons to hardware (& human life?). If memory serves the higher/faster the current (amp) flow on rail, the more difficult it is to maintain said current & in turn stable operation of devices/components connected to the PSU is compromised.

***Personal opinion***
I assume it's possible to maintain such a high current single rail PSU but at a cost too great and/or not viable for the budgeted PSU market.
***Don't add to guide unless confirmed, if wanting***

As a side benefit, cleaner power is delivered & from what I've heard clean/stable power prolongs hardware life versus hardware failure caused by dirty power (noise) & as mentioned near the very end of the guide, cleaner power = higher OC. Since rails on 2+ rail PSUs are seperate, "dirty" power that affects one rail doesn't affect the other due to isolation.

*12V power via the motherboard's PCIe slot on one rail & 12V power from external power connector on another rail. Note that this doesn't apply to all dual rail PSUs cause some of them have the PCIe power connector & motherboard's PCIe slot on the same 12V rail.



For the modular section, I remember somewhere some source (reliable?) mentioned modular PSUs not being as reliable in delivering power as non-modular PSUs according to PSU manufacturers. Until someone else can confirm this claim, I wouldn't add it into the guide just yet, if ever.



**Shameless Plug***
My Personal PSU suggestion is this one cause it's the one I own (for good reason).
***Shameless Plug***

EDIT: For plug
 

Operandi

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Originally posted by: QueBert
this is a useful thread, but I feel the posts opinions are a bit off. He listed Ultra on his bad list. I own an Ultra-X Connect 500 watt. The modular cables are sweet and all, but honestly this thing performs like a beast. Even if it wasn't modular I would have bought it. Google for reviews of it, you'll find over a dozen, and they all give it very high marks. I've been running this PSU for about 2 months now, and it's rock solid, and the modular is a big +

Contrary to popular belief, Powmax DOES NOT make this PSU. They do sell a rebranded ultra though...

Despite what you may think owning a PSU for two month's doesn?t qualify you to make an informed opinion on it. The only way to test a PSU is under full load for a sustained period, anything less is meaningless.

The Ultra has been tested under stressful conditions several times and it has failed the majority of the tests.
 

drpootums

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thanks!!!

I have a question of my own now, and i guess this is as good of a place as any to put it. AFAIK, the 6800GT uses 1.4v, but it seems that my AGP slot is getting 1.5v's...is this bad? It doesnt seem to be causing any problems, and i just wanna make sure.

Thanks again!
 

CheesePoofs

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Looks great.

I'm running the rig in sig on a 330w antec truepower PS right now with 17amps on the 12v rail because my modstream died . It seems to be stable, survived HL2. I'm going to prime95 test it tonight.

More proof that a good quality power supply really can last.
 

HomerSapien

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I have the Seasonic Super Tornado 400W. Overkill for my computer, but the store i got it from didnt have the Revision 3 model in the 350w model. This thing is quiet. I previousl enermax whisper modded with a panaflo L1 on a fan controller. The seasonic is much quieter. Just make sure to get a revision 3. The second revision had a problem with the fan cycling in and out of full power, which was very annoying.

 
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