Public School sponsored "Army of God" prayer meetings

[ivwshane]

We have them, but you can call them Democrats.

Was that supposed to be a cut or just another example of you sharing your stupidity with the rest of us?

 

[J.Wilkins]

LoL, that wasn't directed at you. I posted something that in hindsight wasn't very good so I removed it.

I agree 100% that an omnipotent God is logically incoherent. No Christian can define the attributes of their God.

For example, if your God is omnipotent, can he suck his own cock? Can he feel remorse? Can he feel guilt? Can he do evil? If he can't, he is not omnipotent by definition. If he is omniscient, then he cannot have free will BY DEFINITION, all of existence is just movie watching for him.

Ah, well that makes sense.

But your questions can be answered, the question regarding omnipotence (which includes omniscience) and free will cannot.

For example, God knows you will rape your daughter tomorrow, god is all knowing and cannot be wrong.

Can you choose not to rape your daughter tomorrow. If you can't you have no free will and thus the God of the Bible is a false God and if you can then the God of the Bible is a false God.

(apologies if anyone is offended, it's just an extreme example to show that God either created paedophiles to be paedophiles and they have no choice in the matter or God is not omnipotent.)

 

[woolfe9998]

Ah, well that makes sense.

But your questions can be answered, the question regarding omnipotence (which includes omniscience) and free will cannot.

For example, God knows you will rape your daughter tomorrow, god is all knowing and cannot be wrong.

Can you choose not to rape your daughter tomorrow. If you can't you have no free will and thus the God of the Bible is a false God and if you can then the God of the Bible is a false God.

(apologies if anyone is offended, it's just an extreme example to show that God either created paedophiles to be paedophiles and they have no choice in the matter or God is not omnipotent.)

Yes, that's exactly right. Omniscience is incompatible with free will.

But it isn't the only logical contradiction. The concept of omnipotence itself is logically contradictory because an omnipotent being could never create a being greater or more powerful than himself, which by definition makes him not omnipotent.

 

[trenchfoot]

Religious freedom as interpreted by the religious, but apparently only a certain strain of religion seems to qualify.

Point being, if it were a group of Muslim kids doing the exact same thing at that school with a Muslim staffer dressed in traditional attire from the school presiding with prayer mats and all, then this idea of religious freedom would suddenly acquire a whole different perspective, now wouldn't it?

 

[SlowSpyder]

Believe whatever you want, I don't believe it, but you are free to do so. But no gods should be pushed on the tax payer's dime. Christians wouldn't want Muslims or Satanists doing this kind of thing, they shouldn't either.

 

[ivwshane]

Religious freedom as interpreted by the religious, but apparently only a certain strain of religion seems to qualify.

Point being, if it were a group of Muslim kids doing the exact same thing at that school with a Muslim staffer dressed in traditional attire from the school presiding with prayer mats and all, then this idea of religious freedom would suddenly acquire a whole different perspective, now wouldn't it?

Could you imagine the level of violence that would erupt had this been a Muslim? Holy shit! Legislation would be passed the next day!

 

[hal2kilo]

So this. A "resource officer" (school cop) has the students hang around the flagpole during school time and preaches to them.

"About a month ago, at DeKalb West Elementary School in Tennessee, students gathered around the flagpole to pray to their God, as many young Christians across the country did.

But this wasn’t a legal, student-initiated demonstration. This gathering involved staff members, including School Resource Officer Lewis Carrick, who took the microphone and urged the kids to be “an army of God that will stick together and relinquish themselves unto His service.”

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...lementary-students-in-tn/#V9szFsZOx6T85svP.99

Wow, I thought you literally were talking about the Army Of God. Last time I saw them they were marching down Juniper St in Atlanta with yokes on and announcing the arrival of Comet Kahutec. The world was coming to an end, and you better repent.

 

[MajinCry]

Did this guy work for Blackwater?

 

[J.Wilkins]

Yes, that's exactly right. Omniscience is incompatible with free will.

But it isn't the only logical contradiction. The concept of omnipotence itself is logically contradictory because an omnipotent being could never create a being greater or more powerful than himself, which by definition makes him not omnipotent.

I know, but here is the deal, if the God claim of being all knowing means that what you believe, what you do, what you say does not matter in the lest...

God is omniscient, he knew if you were going to heaven or hell before he created the universe and there is NOTHING you can do to change what he already knows.

So no matter what, what God already knows will happen will happen and you can do nothing to change it.

OTOH, if God is not all knowing then he's NOT the God of the Bible since that is a prerequisite of his powers.

 

[Stokely]

Hey, religious fanaticism is a proven moneymaker and general winning strategy through the years. There's never a shortage of weak-minded people willing to cast reason aside and their cash into your pockets, if you can just convince them that God wants it that way. Works for Isis, works for Christians!

 

[whm1974]

From reading the bible and the history of it's followers, I have to conclude that the god in that book doesn't deserve to be worship at all.

And that all of Mankind is wicked and deserves to go to hell just because what two people did a long time ago, while that is the most vile concept people have ever come up with.

 

[disappoint]

So this. A "resource officer" (school cop) has the students hang around the flagpole during school time and preaches to them.

"About a month ago, at DeKalb West Elementary School in Tennessee, students gathered around the flagpole to pray to their God, as many young Christians across the country did.

But this wasn’t a legal, student-initiated demonstration. This gathering involved staff members, including School Resource Officer Lewis Carrick, who took the microphone and urged the kids to be “an army of God that will stick together and relinquish themselves unto His service.”

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friend...lementary-students-in-tn/#V9szFsZOx6T85svP.99

Let's test their faith and ask them if they'd be willing to do that during a thunderstorm.

 

[woolfe9998]

From reading the bible and the history of it's followers, I have to conclude that the god in that book doesn't deserve to be worship at all.

And that all of Mankind is wicked and deserves to go to hell just because what two people did a long time ago, while that is the most vile concept people have ever come up with.

Yes, and think about this: because God is omniscient, he knew ahead of time that Eve would eat from the forbidden tree. So it isn't even really because of what anyone did. It's because God evidently planned everything that way. If God is omniscience, original sin was a creation of God and God alone. Which includes all the eternal suffering that has allegedly come with it.

 

[trenchfoot]

When a person sees himself sitting between God on his right and Sean Hannity on his left and feels that everything is so peachy keen with the world, there's no telling what kind of miraculous heavenly things he thinks will happen when he knows that Donny Trump is in the front seat driving that clown car they're all in.

It just so happens we now have millions of folks who think like that, so...........hang on to yer lugnuts and stay tuned.