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Jimzz

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^^

I've found most classic puroltars are cheaper than frams.

But yea fram cost more than better filters. Heck even the $1.xx chinese Pronto filters at rockauto are better than fram.
 
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The research has been 16 years of spinning off fram filters and spinning a new one on with each oil change. Many different cars and even motorcycles. I just put one on last weekend on my mustang. Bought a couple spares as well.


You don't understand... You do this ALL the time in ATG.... Give out completely incorrect advice, all while broadcasting this aura that you have done 'research' and know what you're talking about.


You did it with supersports for years... Suggesting to all of our new riders that anything less than a 600ss is a waste, and that they should just buy a big bike and carefully learn on that.

Fast forward to now, and you no longer own a bike. What happened? Did you yourself get screwed on your 1 sample dataset?

There have been other examples too... I'm fairly sure you were one of the people saying high powered non-traction controlled RWD is fine for a new driver as long as they're careful..... Then you ended up putting your mustang in a ditch.



I've seen this numerous times with you over the years in ATG. I know this all comes across as harsh, but you really do need a wake up call on the "advice" you give here and probably elsewhere.

You're a good example for why we need forced disclaimers, I put you directly into the "inflate to sidewall" category.
 
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Colt45

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Pretty sure OP is on about the shipping company. I've never had bad luck with them.

I only use german filters. MANN, Mahle, etc. American companies make (or import) inferior products for similar price.
 

phucheneh

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Please explain this. What do you mean you had good luck with anything but fram? Did you send in your oil to be tested? How do I, theaverage joe knows how well his oil filter performed? Other than taking one off and putting another filter on, what can I use to judge its effectiveness?

There are tons of online guides and reports on filter comparisons. Every single time fram is at the very very bottom of the list.... Defective anti drainback valves, filters with gaps that allow oil to pass through, filter media that is thin and tiny compared to even no name filters.....


Bosch, napa gold, purolator, wix are about the only consistently trustworthy filter companies.

He pretty much got it. I'm not talking about having oil analyzed. That wouldn't be valid, anyway, unless you ran identical engines under identical conditions in a lab. Even then, just analyzing the oil would be sketchy...also, Frams were known for catastrophic failure, not just their general 'badness.'

FWIW I'm pretty sure they've tried to fix most of their issues. But I'll still never trust them.

Hard to judge filters nowadays. I don't think there are all that many manufacturers, much like batteries. Also like batteries, I doubt a company that makes filters for one brand name (or automaker) is building them to the same specs as they are for another.
 

Jimzz

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Pretty sure OP is on about the shipping company. I've never had bad luck with them.

I only use german filters. MANN, Mahle, etc. American companies make (or import) inferior products for similar price.


Most Mann oil filters in the US are just US Purolator's with a Mann sticker.


:whiste:
 

Jimzz

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Interesting, didn't know that. Is mann or mahle a better filter?


Depends. You can't really tell who made the filter by the name anymore due to all the factories and cross supplying. Have to take it filter by filter.


Mann and Bosch bought out Purolator a while back and each got a piece. So if you buy a Mann you might the a Purolator or a European Mann filter.
 

WackyDan

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"It works" isn't validation that they're good.

Basically, there are better products out there. Purolator is one of them. From dissected filters, to oil analysis, to whatever, Fram are consistently found to be among the worst of the field.

Purolator, from my perspective, appear to be the best in terms of both price and performance. They always grade out well, and are a few cents more than a cheapy Fram.

Who cares? I use them all. As long as they meet the motor company's specs, they are sufficient.
 
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Who cares? I use them all. As long as they meet the motor company's specs, they are sufficient.


Incorrect..... Car manufacturers do not, as far as I'm aware, have any sort of regulation on filters.

They may on their OEM stuff, but they have no control over media type, density, flow rates, that sort of thing of no name filters.

There just isn't an industry standard, evidenced by the HUGE variation amongst the different filter brands.
 
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Who cares? I use them all. As long as they meet the motor company's specs, they are sufficient.


And just as an example.... Fram is very well known for issues with their anti drainback valves. This valve is critical in 'holding' oil in the top of your motor. You won't notice any immediate damage, but long-term it can certainly cause issues.

Same thing with filter media.. If it collapses and allows dirty oil through it's not immediate damage.

Basically most filter failures are not immediately noticeable.
 

motorking

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It's not just a personal opinion. Fram makes terrible filters. Go read up on the studies before giving more false advice on our forums.

In general you could stand to do some research before giving your opinion on any topic.

http://www.gmtruckcentral.com/articles/oilfilterstudy.html

Aware,
I am the tech manager at FRAM. You should actually spend some time doing reseach. The study you are quoting was revised considerably after the owner of that forum visited our engineering lab. While his study was pretty awesome for something done at home, we showed it has no corelation to real world filter test results. Cutting open filters and commenting is not an oil filter test. Engine longevity and oil test results are. The ISO-4548-12 test is the only OE accepted oil filter test and all reputable oil filter companies post ISO 4548-12 test results. We have another lab visit coming up on May 7th, would you care to join us? My treat.:biggrin:
 

Jimzz

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Aware,
I am the tech manager at FRAM. You should actually spend some time doing reseach. The study you are quoting was revised considerably after the owner of that forum visited our engineering lab. While his study was pretty awesome for something done at home, we showed it has no corelation to real world filter test results. Cutting open filters and commenting is not an oil filter test. Engine longevity and oil test results are. The ISO-4548-12 test is the only OE accepted oil filter test and all reputable oil filter companies post ISO 4548-12 test results. We have another lab visit coming up on May 7th, would you care to join us? My treat.:biggrin:


If thats the case then why does the hgh end fram filter have metal end caps and upgraded internals over the cardboard end caps and cheap plastic drainback valve if they are so good?

Even the cheap Wix/Napa silver filters have the same drain back valve and metal end caps that the Prem Wix/Napa gold filter has.
 

jupiter57

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I drive a used M3, I use only $300 Oil Filters and $50 qt. Oil.
$600 oil changes, FTW.

Really, though, the OP was bashing Purolator the shippng Co.
They probably delivered his new Video Card 30 minutes late, again.
 
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Aware,
I am the tech manager at FRAM. You should actually spend some time doing reseach. The study you are quoting was revised considerably after the owner of that forum visited our engineering lab. While his study was pretty awesome for something done at home, we showed it has no corelation to real world filter test results. Cutting open filters and commenting is not an oil filter test. Engine longevity and oil test results are. The ISO-4548-12 test is the only OE accepted oil filter test and all reputable oil filter companies post ISO 4548-12 test results. We have another lab visit coming up on May 7th, would you care to join us? My treat.:biggrin:



Absolutely.


I have spent considerable time reading about oil filter dissections as recent as 6 months ago. If you think you can make me a believer then I'm all for it, but as of now fram has not had enough time to make a name for themselves as making decent oil filters.


That being said, last year you were still using cardboard end caps and extremely cheap looking/feeling anti drainback valves. I don't care if it barely passes your ISO test, or internal tests, I still don't want a filter with cardboard end caps and shoddy anti drainback valves.
 
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I drive a used M3, I use only $300 Oil Filters and $50 qt. Oil.
$600 oil changes, FTW.

Really, though, the OP was bashing Purolator the shippng Co.
They probably delivered his new Video Card 30 minutes late, again.


lol :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 

slag

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--That's a non-nutritive varnish. It's semi-permeable. It's not osmotic. What it does is, it coats and seals the cardboard. It prevents the oil from penetrating it.
 

motorking

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Absolutely.


I have spent considerable time reading about oil filter dissections as recent as 6 months ago. If you think you can make me a believer then I'm all for it, but as of now fram has not had enough time to make a name for themselves as making decent oil filters.


That being said, last year you were still using cardboard end caps and extremely cheap looking/feeling anti drainback valves. I don't care if it barely passes your ISO test, or internal tests, I still don't want a filter with cardboard end caps and shoddy anti drainback valves.

Spatial,
The end caps are not "cardboard", it is an engineered fiber. Today, Mann makes a identicle filter for the Bentley Arnage, a 400k vehicle. Honda, Subaru and Nissan all use the same technology as OE. New Toyota spin on filters have no end cap at all, just the ends of the pleats glued together.
GM AC Delco filters use a felt end cap, guess up against WIX, all those companies just do not know anything about filters? The FRAM Ultra has steel end caps because it is the only way to capture the metal screen backing. And, if your serious, I will pay all expenses for you to visit our engineering lab and see how oil filters are tested in the ISO test. All you need to do is email your contact info to jay.buckley@framgrp.com. You are under no obligation other than bringing an open mind.:biggrin:
 
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