Put an LS3 in it??

MoMeanMugs

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I sold my heavily modified '02 Z/28 a couple weeks ago and picked this up:



Sorry for the crap in the picture. I can pull it out of the garage if anyone wants better pictures. It's fun to drive, but I miss the punch of my ~460 rwhp LS1! This currently has a carbed 350 and T5 in it. I'm thinking about getting the 515 LS3 crate engine and T-56 Magnum (looks like it's basically a TR6060) as I miss having a 6th gear. Any thoughts? Any reason not to go with this combo? I tuned my last setup using EFILive, and am thinking about doing the same here (unless someone talks me into a carbed LSx). Any other combos I should look at?
 

Midwayman

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Some people might not like it since it less historical I guess. I'd rather have reliable and powerful.
 

MongGrel

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Nice, had a buddy of mine in high school had something similar that was dark green.

His dad had a garage and went to the drag strip a lot, had a lot of MOPARS.

His coupe had a big block Hemi in it.

His hot little sister had a pink Javelin with a small block Hemi
 

manimal

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hell yes! You could just get a SS dropout with a t56 unless your worried about putting down more than 700.


So easy nowadays with Painless making harnesses.
 

FuzzyDunlop

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DO IT!

Thats one sweet ride BTW.

Does the rear hatch open up to give another bench?
 

MoMeanMugs

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Some people might not like it since it less historical I guess. I'd rather have reliable and powerful.

Agreed! It already has all the handles shaved, leather, and a CD player, so it's not exactly an original restore. At least all the body is the original steel, except the hood scoop.

Cool, love that color too!.

Thanks! People seem to like the color so much they ride my ass to stare! I've almost been rearended 3 times, and I've driven it twice.

The answer is always yes to LSx swaps!

I should have expected this from ATG!

His dad had a garage and went to the drag strip a lot, had a lot of MOPARS.

Used to have a 69 Camaro that was a strip queen. Sure was fun! Found out there's a track not too far from where I live (I moved north last year), so I'll have to check it out when it opens again.

hell yes! You could just get a SS dropout with a t56 unless your worried about putting down more than 700.


So easy nowadays with Painless making harnesses.


I feel my arm being twisted! I thought about getting something out of a donor car, but I haven't had any luck finding anything in New England. I could buy a wrecked car and take out what I need, but that ends up being more expensive than buy a new crate motor and tranny. Any ideas on where to get a drivetrain in great shape at a decent price? By the time I get a crate motor, tranny, and bolt-on accessories, ECU, etc, it's going to be about $15k. I've heard on the Painless harnesses, but I've never met anyone that's used one. Have any experience?

But majority of people will like it and wont care, just do it!

ATG has spoken. I am forced to comply...


I should have expected you to come in here!
 

MoMeanMugs

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BTW, if anyone's in the general Portland area (the original Portland, not the pansy one out west ) that wants to help wrench on it when I get started, come on by!

Guess I'll wait to see what my bonus in the spring will be. I already killed my savings buying this thing. Definitely want to move forward on this (guess finishing the bonus room in my house can wait...), but the warranty on a crate motor starts when you buy it, not when it starts running. Seeing as it started snowing today, it would make sense to wait until the spring to get started.
 

MoMeanMugs

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DO IT!

Thats one sweet ride BTW.

Does the rear hatch open up to give another bench?

Thanks! No, it's been converted to a carpeted trunk. The handle has been shaved, and it opens with the remote fob. I've always wondered how people got in the back without climbing all over the car. There's a backseat inside, but unless you're a small child or leg amputee, you can't really fit (like most modern coupes with a backseat).
 

franksta

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As the rumor goes, every car is engineered to fit an LS motor but then something goes wrong at the factory and they put something else in. If you've got the bankroll for a crate motor I'd definitely do that.

My father-in-law used to have a '36 Chevrolet but it was a Humpback.
 

Raizinman

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Wow, everyone is pretty free and open with someone else’s money. Having done so many similar type swaps and modifications, I would not ever touch one again. Here is why.

An LS3 costs about $7,000, then you need either a kit or need to be good with a welder to make engine mounts, frame brackets, modify both the cross member and transmission cross member, let’s not forget the LS3 is a computer fuel injected engine and doesn’t come with wiring harness or ECU – add about another grand. Custom headers and exhaust, add power steering and power brakes and likely disc. Drive shaft will need to be modified for 500 horsepower, front end will need to be modified for the heavier engine, so new springs and more. New radiator for the new engine. New differential for the 500 hp engine. New or rebuilt trans for the 500 hp along with a trans cooler. Likely new dash and gauges. What will this give you? Assuming you do all the labor yourself (hundreds of hours), you will likely have about $20,000 of just parts in the car, not counting the car or labor. When you add in the $15,000 car shell, you have a $35,000 car (not counting labor). This does not include: safety belts, collapsible steering column, air bags, interior, air conditioning, paint and more. Is this a car you would want to drive to work every day? Probably not. Would you want the wife driving this to the grocery store a few times a week? Probably not. Would you want to drive this in the winter when the streets are slushy or icy? Probably not. Would you want to drive this in the heat of summer (without A/C)? Probably not. So you will have a $35,000 plus vehicle in your garage (depending on where you live) 8 or 9 months out of the year. A vehicle that would not be safe or protect you for speeds above 40 mile per hour (since it will not have safety equipment). Most vehicles of this era tend to twist (both body and chassis) when subjected to 500 hp or more, unless major body and chassis modifications are done. Yes, you could add safety equipment and such for about another $5 thousand. You could also spend about $5 to $10 in body and chassis modifications to make it strong enough for 500 hp. Will this car really be worth $50 grand (not counting labor)?

To me, this sounds ridiculous in having this race car that is not safe and cannot be a daily driver or be driven year round. I would prefer a new Mustang or Camaro that is safe, can be driven every day of the year, and would be able to out run, out stop, outperform, and out maneuver just about anything. Lets also not forget about insurance. Your insurance agent will have a heyday quoting a 500hp home made vehicle.

Would you be able to get your money back out of this vehicle should you decide to sell it? Unlikely.
 
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jlee

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Wow, everyone is pretty free and open with someone else’s money. Having done so many similar type swaps and modifications, I would not ever touch one again. Here is why.

An LS3 costs about $7,000, then you need either a kit or need to be good with a welder to make engine mounts, frame brackets, modify both the cross member and transmission cross member, let’s not forget the LS3 is a computer fuel injected engine and doesn’t come with wiring harness or ECU – add about another grand. Custom headers and exhaust, add power steering and power brakes and likely disc. Drive shaft will need to be modified for 500 horsepower, front end will need to be modified for the heavier engine, so new springs and more. New radiator for the new engine. New differential for the 500 hp engine. New or rebuilt trans for the 500 hp along with a trans cooler. Likely new dash and gauges. What will this give you? Assuming you do all the labor yourself (hundreds of hours), you will likely have about $20,000 of just parts in the car, not counting the car or labor. When you add in the $15,000 car shell, you have a $35,000 car (not counting labor). This does not include: safety belts, collapsible steering column, air bags, interior, air conditioning, paint and more. Is this a car you would want to drive to work every day? Probably not. Would you want the wife driving this to the grocery store a few times a week? Probably not. Would you want to drive this in the winter when the streets are slushy or icy? Probably not. Would you want to drive this in the heat of summer (without A/C)? Probably not. So you will have a $35,000 plus vehicle in your garage (depending on where you live) 8 or 9 months out of the year. A vehicle that would not be safe or protect you for speeds above 40 mile per hour (since it will not have safety equipment). Most vehicles of this era tend to twist (both body and chassis) when subjected to 500 hp or more, unless major body and chassis modifications are done. Yes, you could add safety equipment and such for about another $5 thousand. You could also spend about $5 to $10 in body and chassis modifications to make it strong enough for 500 hp. Will this car really be worth $50 grand (not counting labor)?

To me, this sounds ridiculous in having this race car that is not safe and cannot be a daily driver or be driven year round. I would prefer a new Mustang or Camaro that is safe, can be driven every day of the year, and would be able to out run, out stop, outperform, and out maneuver just about anything. Lets also not forget about insurance. Your insurance agent will have a heyday quoting a 500hp home made vehicle.

Would you be able to get your money back out of this vehicle should you decide to sell it? Unlikely.

Since when is an aluminum LS3 heavier than a (likely iron) 350?

Insurance will be reasonable - go through Hagerty/etc. I pay $212 annually for a 400+rwhp MR2 Turbo at $12k stated value - $80ish/yr less than going with a regular carrier for "actual cash value" (which would probably be $4k).

Nobody gets into high performance cars to save money or to be cost effective. If you've done "many" of these swaps, you should know that by now.
 
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Raizinman

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From the picture it already appears that the front end was too low and going over a bump, it probably hit bottom or hit the front wheels.

In the old days, I didn't mind too much doing a project that netted me zero dollar for my labor. Now, my time is too valuable and I charge a hefty premium for my labor. Even though I still enjoy doing jobs like this, I would rather get paid for my time, or pick a vehicle that I can get my investment labor back on.

Yes, some people do get into high performance cars to make money and it can be cost effective. Engine swaps are very costly especially when changing to a drastically different engine. Even the most experienced technicians cannot come close to imaging the complications and issues that will come up.

If you are really serious, go ahead and go for it. Then send pictures to this site and let everyone know how it is going. I also forgot to mention that about 90% of individuals who start projects like this never complete it.
 

jlee

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From the picture it already appears that the front end was too low and going over a bump, it probably hit bottom or hit the front wheels.

In the old days, I didn't mind too much doing a project that netted me zero dollar for my labor. Now, my time is too valuable and I charge a hefty premium for my labor. Even though I still enjoy doing jobs like this, I would rather get paid for my time, or pick a vehicle that I can get my investment labor back on.

Yes, some people do get into high performance cars to make money and it can be cost effective. Engine swaps are very costly especially when changing to a drastically different engine. Even the most experienced technicians cannot come close to imaging the complications and issues that will come up.

If you are really serious, go ahead and go for it. Then send pictures to this site and let everyone know how it is going. I also forgot to mention that about 90% of individuals who start projects like this never complete it.

Assuming you are not running a shop, since when has this been the case?

If you are running a shop, then you're charging other people so it's a different story.
 

manimal

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I feel my arm being twisted! I thought about getting something out of a donor car, but I haven't had any luck finding anything in New England. I could buy a wrecked car and take out what I need, but that ends up being more expensive than buy a new crate motor and tranny. Any ideas on where to get a drivetrain in great shape at a decent price? By the time I get a crate motor, tranny, and bolt-on accessories, ECU, etc, it's going to be about $15k. I've heard on the Painless harnesses, but I've never met anyone that's used one. Have any experience?

Dropouts are starting to get more expensive but still much more reasonable than a crate engine. Sure a crate gives you worry free operation but a refreshed dropout would do almost the same and save you thousands. Get a GTO dropout or a 2000+ Camaro SS dropout preferably since the SS will be drive by wire which is much easier to get working. I ended up using Wiring Specialties for my wiring harness and had them add the AC stuff so i can just plug all that in my car when i get close to finished but painless can make what you need for an older rod. One can get a camaro SS dropout with the t56 and pedals and all the accesories for under 4k if you call around. I got mine delivered and didnt have to deal with a donor car. If you have space and want to do it really cheap get a crashed car and part it out.
 
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