Put your entire car purchase price on a credit card?

allisolm

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My son just bought a new Lincoln SUV and the dealership allowed him to put the entire thing on his Amex card. They said they had a deal with Amex where Amex wasn't going to charge them any fees. So he gets all the points for... things. I don't know if this is only for that particular dealership or for all Lincoln dealerships or for dealerships of other makes as well. Certainly could be worth asking if you're buying a car from any dealership, even if you don't have an Amex card and have to go out and get one.

The last time I bought a car the dealership would only allow $5000 of the purchase price on a credit card.

Just an FYI.
 
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When I bought my car in October they only allowed $3k on a credit card. Still worth it for the small amount of cash back, and a short term 0% loan (the card I used still had 4 months left on its 0% offer).

Can't hurt to ask the dealer you're at though. Worst they can say is no or there is a limit.
 

BoomerD

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Dang...I've never been rich enough to have a credit card with a high enough limit to put an entire new car on it...Maybe a set of tires...but not the whole car.
 

Hans Gruber

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Wow, I have heard that AMEX is a highly exclusive card. One that is very difficult to get unless you have good credit. Interesting post.
 
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Dang...I've never been rich enough to have a credit card with a high enough limit to put an entire new car on it...Maybe a set of tires...but not the whole car.
There are cards that let you charge more than your credit limit, provided you pay it off in full when it's due. One of my cards from Citi used to note that on the statement.
 

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Not saying he is doing this, but the new Ford Broncos were being scalped initially by people then the dealers raised their prices which just caused the scalpers to make even more profit. like 20-50k over initial purchase price.
 

deadlyapp

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My guess is that the dealer was making enough margin on it already that they didn't care what he did, otherwise the dealer is going to eat a 3% merchant fee, which is why they generally don't like this.

I have put down payment on CC before for several vehicles for the exact reasons mentioned above (rewards bonuses, 0% interest).

There are few cards available any longer that have no limit, and those are generally "charge cards" which must be paid off every month. These would be cards like Amex Blacks, etc. I could buy a mid-range car fully on a CC or a higher end car split across 2-3 cards if desired, but the juice ain't worth the squeeze unless you're flush with cash.
 

Mermaidman

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The "limit" is negotiable. My dealership insisted their limit was $5,000 limit, but during closing, allowed me to charge $13,000 probably because I paid MSRP thanks to car shortage. At least I got a couple hundred dollars worth of points and achieved elite status through spend.
 
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Er, why would your son do this? Is he able to pay it off in cash basically immediately? This is either one of the weirdest humble brag threads or this is baffling and your son made an all time bonehead move, as he should easily be able to get a better car loan rate than whatever interest rate he's getting from a credit card (even if he gets a 0% rate for some term). I'm guessing a new Lincoln SUV is likely in the $50-90k range?

I'm not sure why the dealership would sell them not having to pay fees as a positive for him since it doesn't benefit him. Well they might be saying that to him acting like since they don't have to pay the fees that they gave him a better price, which I'd be very dubious about.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Darkswordsman17 has the right questions.

I have friends whose retirement income is double mine. For a single person, I'm just below the national median "household" income, but I manage my money to an extent of satisfaction and confidence that I'm better off than someone else with identical resources.

If I were buying a new car, I would take a little time to line up my ducks carefully. I'd make a down-payment with a check, depleting my savings to leave an ample amount for emergencies. And if I have to borrow, I'd shop for interest rates and other features. I would know that any monthly payments would not erase a comfortable planned savings deposit for the end of every month, and I would already know before purchasing the vehicle the amount of my monthly insurance premium.

Frankly, I have about five active credit cards, some used exclusively for certain purposes, like gasoline or groceries. I've had AMEX "offers", but I really wouldn't touch an AMEX account with a ten-foot pole. My cards offer 0% balance transfer loans up to $20,000 with the promotional rate extending for 18 to 24 months.

Now, suppose the OP's income is four times the national median, or that the son's income is as much. Why wouldn't one exercise the same care that I've described in arranging to buy a new Lincoln?

Otherwise, the purchaser would not want to miss a monthly payment or fall short on the insurance. These things require planning and a little forethought.
 

Hans Gruber

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I would make more sense to get a car loan and pay it off in a month or two. That would be much more helpful to his credit than the prestige of elite status with a credit card company.
 

deadlyapp

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Darkswordsman17 has the right questions.

I have friends whose retirement income is double mine. For a single person, I'm just below the national median "household" income, but I manage my money to an extent of satisfaction and confidence that I'm better off than someone else with identical resources.

If I were buying a new car, I would take a little time to line up my ducks carefully. I'd make a down-payment with a check, depleting my savings to leave an ample amount for emergencies. And if I have to borrow, I'd shop for interest rates and other features. I would know that any monthly payments would not erase a comfortable planned savings deposit for the end of every month, and I would already know before purchasing the vehicle the amount of my monthly insurance premium.

Frankly, I have about five active credit cards, some used exclusively for certain purposes, like gasoline or groceries. I've had AMEX "offers", but I really wouldn't touch an AMEX account with a ten-foot pole. My cards offer 0% balance transfer loans up to $20,000 with the promotional rate extending for 18 to 24 months.

Now, suppose the OP's income is four times the national median, or that the son's income is as much. Why wouldn't one exercise the same care that I've described in arranging to buy a new Lincoln?

Otherwise, the purchaser would not want to miss a monthly payment or fall short on the insurance. These things require planning and a little forethought.
Most balance transfer offers have a 3-5% cost to transfer, even if 0% APR.
 

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Now, suppose the OP's income is four times the national median, or that the son's income is as much. Why wouldn't one exercise the same care that I've described in arranging to buy a new Lincoln?

Otherwise, the purchaser would not want to miss a monthly payment or fall short on the insurance. These things require planning and a little forethought.

No idea about OP, but I would put an entire car purchase on a CC if I could. I do not buy anything I cannot afford. Afford means being able to pay cash. I personally don't care about interest rates or balance transfers or anything like that. The only thing I care about is the cashback bonus. I never pay interest on a CC, always pay in full every month. I have bought 4 new cars in my life, all paid in full. I bought 1 with a 0% loan, then invested the money I would have used to buy into an index fund. Paid in full once the 24 months 0% was up.

Only loan I have is my mortgage.
 

BonzaiDuck

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No idea about OP, but I would put an entire car purchase on a CC if I could. I do not buy anything I cannot afford. Afford means being able to pay cash. I personally don't care about interest rates or balance transfers or anything like that. The only thing I care about is the cashback bonus. I never pay interest on a CC, always pay in full every month. I have bought 4 new cars in my life, all paid in full. I bought 1 with a 0% loan, then invested the money I would have used to buy into an index fund. Paid in full once the 24 months 0% was up.

Only loan I have is my mortgage.
Which makes sense. Also, paying off CC balances within the month makes sense. Otherwise, carrying the price of a vehicle on a card and paying the interest over time doesn't make sense.

But just as a matter of preference, I never put any item as expensive as a car on a credit card. I'd either write a check, pay in cash, or arrange a loan with low-low interest or no interest. A hybrid option: arrange the loan and deposit the proceeds into your bank account, then write a check.

but either way, paying off card balances within 30 days of purchases will help your FICO score a lot. I never had a FICO score below 700, and a FICO of 830 (now my equilibrium profile) will certainly attract preferable terms if you need to borrow money. But once you learn to stop borrowing other-people's money and only borrow from yourself (and your savings), you never feel so inclined to use the advantages of an 830 FICO score.

I think working stiffs who earn below the national median household income or not far above it may have a greater need to borrow money even for a pre-owned vehicle purchase. If so, it becomes a major monthly budget item for them, and therefore a burden even if they can carry it responsibly.

But that's why I also prefer to keep a 20+-year-old vehicle in tip-top condition. If I need a repair, I pay in cash. Nobody is going to steal my car. My insurance rates are lower.

Here's my latest assessment of any "need" to get a pre-owned hybrid or EV. At 3,500 miles per year, my monthly gasoline bill is $170 on average. It doesn't matter if I put $0.00 down, $10,000 down or pay cash for a vehicle outright, because depleting your saving is equivalent to borrowing what you hadn't saved, except that your only pay yourself back by restoring the savings balance. They are opposite sides of the same coin. But I figured that a pre-owned Prius or RAV4 hybrid -- a 2017 -- would probably cost me $350/month no matter how I actually pay it. Add another $100 for full insurance. Exchanging 15 mpg for 51 mpg, my gasoline savings per month would be about $100 to $120. Repairs or maintenance is now costing me about $80/month. But the $450 increase in monthly outlays for the hybrid/EV doesn't balance with $120/month gasoline saving and the $80/month avoided in repairs for the old car.

I'd need to put 13,000 miles/year on a vehicle to make it worth doing. Wey-ull! Somebody should find me a job in Orange County paying $150,000+/year. So I can drive 80 miles per day and be too busy and prosperous to worry about the expense of driving an EV or hybrid. That might be close to 20,000 miles per year! But I don't WANT to sit in traffic more than 2 hours daily, and do all that rough-and-ready stuff when I can just sit here and draw my retirement annuity and rental income.
 

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There are cards that let you charge more than your credit limit, provided you pay it off in full when it's due. One of my cards from Citi used to note that on the statement.
Traditionally AMEX cards didn't even have a credit limit, so it was a pretty exclusive product for credit-worthy individuals, and businesses. These are known as charge cards, and the balance was due in full every month.

I know what they say about assumptions, but all this discussion/puzzlement about revolving a mid 5 figure card balance is silly. If OP's son has an AMEX card that will even accommodate that transaction, you can rest assured he's not dumb enough to be revolving the balance. Now Americans in general are bad with credit, and I don't want to say it's 100% impossible. But the OP is a reasonable person, and we can make a fair assumption she didn't raise a dumb ass.

Other myths mentioned above are that paying off your charges within 30 days raises your FICO score, or that an 830 FICO gets you better terms when you need a line of credit. It is absolutely sensible to pay off a balance within the grace period (avoiding interest), but you don't get extra credit from FICO for doing so. (However credit utilization is a key part of the score.) Any FICO 740+ is considered very good, and will qualify you for the best auto loan rates.
 

allisolm

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No idea about OP, but I would put an entire car purchase on a CC if I could. I do not buy anything I cannot afford. Afford means being able to pay cash. I personally don't care about interest rates or balance transfers or anything like that. The only thing I care about is the cashback bonus. I never pay interest on a CC, always pay in full every month. I have bought 4 new cars in my life, all paid in full.


All of this although I have bought many more than 4 cars - all paid in full at time of purchase.


I guess I should have said in the OP that you would pay it in full when the statement came out. That is something that is so ingrained in me that I don't even think about it. I've never paid credit card interest as I pay any balances off in full every month and always have. Their interest rates are outrageous. Fortunately my children heard that message and neither of them ever carries a balance.
 

deadlyapp

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Which makes sense. Also, paying off CC balances within the month makes sense. Otherwise, carrying the price of a vehicle on a card and paying the interest over time doesn't make sense.

But just as a matter of preference, I never put any item as expensive as a car on a credit card. I'd either write a check, pay in cash, or arrange a loan with low-low interest or no interest. A hybrid option: arrange the loan and deposit the proceeds into your bank account, then write a check.

but either way, paying off card balances within 30 days of purchases will help your FICO score a lot. I never had a FICO score below 700, and a FICO of 830 (now my equilibrium profile) will certainly attract preferable terms if you need to borrow money. But once you learn to stop borrowing other-people's money and only borrow from yourself (and your savings), you never feel so inclined to use the advantages of an 830 FICO score.

I think working stiffs who earn below the national median household income or not far above it may have a greater need to borrow money even for a pre-owned vehicle purchase. If so, it becomes a major monthly budget item for them, and therefore a burden even if they can carry it responsibly.

But that's why I also prefer to keep a 20+-year-old vehicle in tip-top condition. If I need a repair, I pay in cash. Nobody is going to steal my car. My insurance rates are lower.

Here's my latest assessment of any "need" to get a pre-owned hybrid or EV. At 3,500 miles per year, my monthly gasoline bill is $170 on average. It doesn't matter if I put $0.00 down, $10,000 down or pay cash for a vehicle outright, because depleting your saving is equivalent to borrowing what you hadn't saved, except that your only pay yourself back by restoring the savings balance. They are opposite sides of the same coin. But I figured that a pre-owned Prius or RAV4 hybrid -- a 2017 -- would probably cost me $350/month no matter how I actually pay it. Add another $100 for full insurance. Exchanging 15 mpg for 51 mpg, my gasoline savings per month would be about $100 to $120. Repairs or maintenance is now costing me about $80/month. But the $450 increase in monthly outlays for the hybrid/EV doesn't balance with $120/month gasoline saving and the $80/month avoided in repairs for the old car.

I'd need to put 13,000 miles/year on a vehicle to make it worth doing. Wey-ull! Somebody should find me a job in Orange County paying $150,000+/year. So I can drive 80 miles per day and be too busy and prosperous to worry about the expense of driving an EV or hybrid. That might be close to 20,000 miles per year! But I don't WANT to sit in traffic more than 2 hours daily, and do all that rough-and-ready stuff when I can just sit here and draw my retirement annuity and rental income.
You don't seem to grasp the benefit of borrowing other people's money, rather than your own. The way the wealthy stay wealthy is by borrowing against their assets or perceived assets, while letting said assets continue to appreciate. If you have x amount of "cash" and it's invested in a way to earn more than it costs to borrow - why would you ever not borrow money from someone else - not to mention it passes on the risk to someone else.

Now if you're someone with minimal assets and very little cash on hand, then the above doesn't really apply to you - yes you're better off tapping into cash vs paying high interest.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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You don't seem to grasp the benefit of borrowing other people's money, rather than your own. The way the wealthy stay wealthy is by borrowing against their assets or perceived assets, while letting said assets continue to appreciate. If you have x amount of "cash" and it's invested in a way to earn more than it costs to borrow - why would you ever not borrow money from someone else - not to mention it passes on the risk to someone else.

Now if you're someone with minimal assets and very little cash on hand, then the above doesn't really apply to you - yes you're better off tapping into cash vs paying high interest.
My income is mostly fixed. Even the rental revenue could be classified as Friedman's "Permanent Income", but there are occasional interruptions when the tenant occupants change.

One feature of a new or low-mi pre-owned vehicle is its asset value, which can be traded in, or sold. But I don't want to use a vehicle as an asset store: it just has utilitarian value with low risk of incurring large maintenance expenses.

Whether my assets are "minimal", the largest item is the rental property which generates net income of almost $1,000/mo. The savings account continues to build toward a point where I can buy a vehicle outright, retaining half the savings, which could go into an indexed fund or CD. But the rate at which I'm saving money far exceeds my losses due to the economy.

If I were working at my expected income for work I could do, it would be so easy to add the monthly for a car note to my list of expenses. It might be easy now, but I don't like the prospects of a regular payment obligation. And what I see with a car-note that only covers 2/3 or half the purchase, compared to my small-asset used car which won't likely need more than an oil change for the next three years, is an extra regular outlay of about $350 plus add'l insurance of $100+, minus a saving in gasoline expense of at most $120/mo.

What do I get by replacing the old vehicle? Some "stuff" that I've installed in the 28-year-old ride as a DIY project, and the lower gas mileage or (no gasoline expense with a total EV), with high insurance premiums. If I worked for my bread, I'd be driving about four or five times the mileage I currently experience, and it would make a lot of sense to get a new or lo-mi pre-owned vehicle.

But even a new car is an asset that depreciates rather quickly. It's something you have to "want" in contrast to a "need". "I want people to see me in that BMW convertible sport!" "I want all the new features and the style!" -- in addition to lower gas mileage, lower maintenance inconvenience, etc.

Other than that, the more you drive your new ride, the more it hemorrhages asset value. Of the multi-millionaires I've known, they all think the same way -- in terms of "cents per mile", "dollars per month" and so forth. And with the eventual demise of my old ride, as likely to be simply towed to the junkyard as wanted by a prospective driver, my loss may not be more than $1,000. Everything else I've put into the car has long since depreciated over time, while those items have extended use-value or longevity for the low mileage over the same time.

So my wants aren't that strong at this point, and my needs are totally satisfied.
 
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pauldun170

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Er, why would your son do this? Is he able to pay it off in cash basically immediately? This is either one of the weirdest humble brag threads or this is baffling and your son made an all time bonehead move, as he should easily be able to get a better car loan rate than whatever interest rate he's getting from a credit card (even if he gets a 0% rate for some term). I'm guessing a new Lincoln SUV is likely in the $50-90k range?

I'm not sure why the dealership would sell them not having to pay fees as a positive for him since it doesn't benefit him. Well they might be saying that to him acting like since they don't have to pay the fees that they gave him a better price, which I'd be very dubious about.

Maybe under this scenario?
- Have money to buy car cash. Might even have perk of being able to write it off as a business expense for that sweet LLC you created to make "bespoke" bamboo flower vases shaped like dog heads
- Don't have time or patience to deal with bank to get certified checks or any other BS.
- Got a fauncy piece of plastic in your wallet that allows you to make big purchases without shennanigans
- Pay for said shennnanigan and take it home. Wait for the charge to show up on your phone. Log into banking app and pay it off while on the toilet listening to smooth Japanese techno jazz disco.
- Bonus points for writing off expense
 

manly

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Maybe under this scenario?
- Have money to buy car cash. Might even have perk of being able to write it off as a business expense for that sweet LLC you created to make "bespoke" bamboo flower vases shaped like dog heads
- Don't have time or patience to deal with bank to get certified checks or any other BS.
- Got a fauncy piece of plastic in your wallet that allows you to make big purchases without shennanigans
- Pay for said shennnanigan and take it home. Wait for the charge to show up on your phone. Log into banking app and pay it off while on the toilet listening to smooth Japanese techno jazz disco.
- Bonus points for writing off expense
Convenience is always good, but OP immediately explained why their son did this. I've never had AMEX, but a good credit card gets you about 1.5% "cash back." It's worth a bit more if it's a premium travel card, and you get some extra "multiplier" when you redeem points through the issuer's travel portal.

Sure 1.5% isn't much to rave about, but when it's free money on $60k+, why not? You're getting about $1000 in extra value that the average luxury car buyer doesn't get!
 

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as deadlyapp mentioned, amex is a charge card not a credit card. the terms of the card is that you pay the full balance at the end of the month. so it is for people who have the money but are just using a more convenient way of paying. it is perfectly normal to put a large purchase on amex.

amex makes its money by operating the transaction network and vendor fees. in exchange they funnel customers to the vendors by promoting special deals to incentivize spending. the cache of exclusivity of the platinum card reputation helps sell the image to big spenders and aspirational spenders.
 

BonzaiDuck

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as deadlyapp mentioned, amex is a charge card not a credit card. the terms of the card is that you pay the full balance at the end of the month. so it is for people who have the money but are just using a more convenient way of paying. it is perfectly normal to put a large purchase on amex.

amex makes its money by operating the transaction network and vendor fees. in exchange they funnel customers to the vendors by promoting special deals to incentivize spending. the cache of exclusivity of the platinum card reputation helps sell the image to big spenders and aspirational spenders.
"the terms of the card . . . " as you describe them were always my first reason for making AMEX the last card option for my own use, so I never pursued the promotions to get an AMEX card. Well -- perhaps I had the standard green AMEX card when I first started applying for cards when I was 25 and just "starting out" in the world.

I think I have two Master Cards and four VISAs. I use them for discrete categories of charges. Whatever cycle the credit card companies follow, I stop adding charges to this month's Quicken transactions on the 25th, posting new charges to next month's transactions. Early in the next month, the balance run up for the previous month is paid off. This is a rule I follow for every single credit card account. Only in a very rare and desperate situation would I run up a balance on a card and distribute the payoff across several future months. I think I am now in a position to avoid those situations completely.
 

deadlyapp

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"the terms of the card . . . " as you describe them were always my first reason for making AMEX the last card option for my own use, so I never pursued the promotions to get an AMEX card. Well -- perhaps I had the standard green AMEX card when I first started applying for cards when I was 25 and just "starting out" in the world.

I think I have two Master Cards and four VISAs. I use them for discrete categories of charges. Whatever cycle the credit card companies follow, I stop adding charges to this month's Quicken transactions on the 25th, posting new charges to next month's transactions. Early in the next month, the balance run up for the previous month is paid off. This is a rule I follow for every single credit card account. Only in a very rare and desperate situation would I run up a balance on a card and distribute the payoff across several future months. I think I am now in a position to avoid those situations completely.
Amex has almost no charge cards any longer that I'm aware of, at least not ones mere mortals can get
 

Hans Gruber

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Amex has almost no charge cards any longer that I'm aware of, at least not ones mere mortals can get
The charge cards start with Green, Gold, Platinum and Black card. The last one is by invitation only. Think of people on a bender in a Vegas casino type person for the AMEX black card.

Amex had to start offering a credit cards in the 90's because the cards listed above had no revolving credit and too many card holders over extended themselves. They had to write promissory notes to Amex promising to pay back their entire balance in full as their cards are charge cards and not revolving credit. Too many of the customer letters were like kiting checks to Amex. The government stepped in and forced Amex to offering credit cards because they were charging interest on the Amex charge card for delinquent card members.
 

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My son just bought a new Lincoln SUV and the dealership allowed him to put the entire thing on his Amex card. They said they had a deal with Amex where Amex wasn't going to charge them any fees. So he gets all the points for... things. I don't know if this is only for that particular dealership or for all Lincoln dealerships or for dealerships of other makes as well. Certainly could be worth asking if you're buying a car from any dealership, even if you don't have an Amex card and have to go out and get one.

The last time I bought a car the dealership would only allow $5000 of the purchase price on a credit card.

Just an FYI.

I have tried this as well but havent found a dealership willing to put more than 5K on a CC. The miles would be really nice on my Venture X card when buying a fully loaded Audi SQ8 with a CC.
 
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