Putin blasts "liberals"

[techs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/world/europe/17russia.html

Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin on Thursday said that an outburst of nationalist violence in Moscow proved that Russia could not allow its law enforcement bodies to weaken, speaking with disdain of the group he called “our liberals.”

In an annually televised question-and-answer session that went on for a marathon four and a half hours, Mr. Putin offered a bravura defense of the central control that is a hallmark of his leadership.




Wow. The liberal menace has spread to Russia.

 

[Steeplerot]

Putin is a product of the USSR and the Bolshevik party. The farthest right totalitarian jerks who were able to strong arm their way into power in 1917.

The Russian power structure have had disdain for the left for the past 2 centuries.

roll your ass on Pootie-poot
http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/213_88/2_67/H4zat.gif

 

[senseamp]

Putin co-runs an authoritarian state, and he still failed to prevent the violence. So central control is not working out too well for him, but gotta blame someone, hence the liberals.

 

[Phokus]

Putin murders journalists who write bad things about him and the government. Conservatives here wish they could do stuff like that.

 

[Vette73]

We trained Putin in poltics so he knows how to play the game.

 

[bamacre]

Putin murders journalists who write bad things about him and the government. Conservatives here wish they could do stuff like that.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/wikileaks/index.html

 

[DucatiMonster696]

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/17/world/europe/17russia.html

Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin on Thursday said that an outburst of nationalist violence in Moscow proved that Russia could not allow its law enforcement bodies to weaken, speaking with disdain of the group he called “our liberals.”

In an annually televised question-and-answer session that went on for a marathon four and a half hours, Mr. Putin offered a bravura defense of the central control that is a hallmark of his leadership.




Wow. The liberal menace has spread to Russia.

Putin's version of a liberal is a person or a party who seeks to take away power from big government. Our version of a "liberal" is someone or a party who wants to give big government more power.

 

[Steeplerot]

Putin's version of a liberal is a person or a party who seeks to take away power from big government. Our version of a "liberal" is someone or a party who wants to give big government more power.

In your talk radio alter-universe I am sure it is like that.

 

[epidemis]

Putin's version of a liberal is a person or a party who seeks to take away power from big government. Our version of a "liberal" is someone or a party who wants to give big government more power.

True, in the old continent "liberal" is referred to one who follows the liberal ideology (aka less state interference)

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Putin murders journalists who write bad things about him and the government. Conservatives here wish they could do stuff like that.

Chavez bans all free press, NK does the same, China does the same but has the might to actually censor everything...

The biggest problem is that one of these is treated with an open arse to get fucked in and the others are condemned.

If we don't react against China now, we won't get a chance to do so later.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Putin's version of a liberal is a person or a party who seeks to take away power from big government. Our version of a "liberal" is someone or a party who wants to give big government more power.

You're saying that GW, Cheney and Rumsfelt were extreme liberals? Reagan too i presume but not Clinton, Obama would be a little bit since he continues most policies set in place by GW adm.

 

[JSt0rm]

Putin's version of a liberal is a person or a party who seeks to take away power from big government. Our version of a "liberal" is someone or a party who wants to give big government more power.

look how dumb you are.

 

[Jaskalas]

You're saying that GW, Cheney and Rumsfelt were extreme liberals? Reagan too i presume but not Clinton, Obama would be a little bit since he continues most policies set in place by GW adm.

Government power is derived from taxes and spending. Bush and then Obama would eclipse the rest of them.

 

[Craig234]

Chavez bans all free press, NK does the same, China does the same but has the might to actually censor everything...

The biggest problem is that one of these is treated with an open arse to get fucked in and the others are condemned.

If we don't react against China now, we won't get a chance to do so later.

Chavez cannot be compared to North Korea and China.

There is room for criticizing Chavez - you can force defending Hitler if you accuse him of killing six million Hindus - but you are wrong here.

For example, reports say that the state runs 10% of the radio stations in Venezuela, while 27 families own 32% of the stations.

There is pressure from Chavez against opposition media; on the other hand, an opposition tv station participated in a coup that removed him from office.

Indeed, earlier reportedly the state had only one tv station while about 90% of the media was owned by wealthy families violently opposed to Chavez.

But we don't need to get into the issue too much to say you are wrong in your ridiculous statement that he 'bans all free press'.

I've got no problem with responsible, accurate criticism, but that's not your post at all. North Korea is like that, not Venezuela.

 

[TheDoc9]

In your talk radio alter-universe I am sure it is like that.

Where do you get your information from, MSM?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Government power is derived from taxes and spending. Bush and then Obama would eclipse the rest of them.

No, it really isn't.

It's derived from stupid slogans and retarded voters who will believe whatever their party leader tells them.

But taxes has little to do with individual freedom in a society apart from being used IN society to PROVIDE freedom FOR society which is a GOOD thing.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Chavez cannot be compared to North Korea and China.

He just got a rule passed so he can rule by decree, all news sources are now owned by Chavez, private ownership has been taken over and Venezuela is now policed by the government even politically.

It's over, the experiment failed just as it always does, say hi to Chavez, dictator of Venezuela for life.

 

[senseamp]

Putin's version of a liberal is a person or a party who seeks to take away power from big government. Our version of a "liberal" is someone or a party who wants to give big government more power.

He's talking about educated liberal intellectual elites (intelligentsia). Same liberals that teabaggers like to bash in America.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

He's talking about educated liberal intellectual elites (intelligentsia). Same liberals that teabaggers like to bash in America.

No Putin is referring to those who want to weaken the power of his central government. Of course you can spin it anyway you want but what "Putin" called liberals are in fact people who share the same views on limited government, freedom of speech, expansion of personal finical freedoms similar to libertarians and other conservatives in this nation.

 

[Amused]

Putin is a product of the USSR and the Bolshevik party. The farthest right totalitarian jerks who were able to strong arm their way into power in 1917.

The Russian power structure have had disdain for the left for the past 2 centuries.

roll your ass on Pootie-poot
http://hotimg23.fotki.com/a/213_88/2_67/H4zat.gif

"Farthest right???"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolshevik

You know you have to have your head way too far up your ass when you call communists/socialists "farthest right."

They are, in fact, farthest LEFT. NOT right.

But then, don't let that stop you from rewriting history now...

 

[Amused]

No Putin is referring to those who want to weaken the power of his central government. Of course you can spin it anyway you want but what "Putin" called liberals are in fact people who share the same views on limited government, freedom of speech, expansion of personal and finical freedoms similar to libertarians and other conservatives in this nation.

The reason they cannot understand, is that "liberal" in Russia is "libertarian": Minimal government and individual freedom. The things the US was founded on. Real, classical liberalism.

But the authoritarian leftists who are mistakenly called "liberal" in the US don't understand this.

Our Founding fathers were liberals. Libertarians are liberals. The American left is authoritarian socialist. FAR from liberal.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

No Putin is referring to those who want to weaken the power of his central government. Of course you can spin it anyway you want but what "Putin" called liberals are in fact people who share the same views on limited government, freedom of speech, expansion of personal and finical freedoms similar to libertarians and other conservatives in this nation.

LOL, you really don't know shit about Russia, do you?

 

[senseamp]

No Putin is referring to those who want to weaken the power of his central government. Of course you can spin it anyway you want but what "Putin" called liberals are in fact people who share the same views on limited government, freedom of speech, expansion of personal finical freedoms similar to libertarians and other conservatives in this nation.

Putin is a neocon. The liberals he's attacking are intelligentsia, he says it himself

“These bodies of power carry out the state’s most important function,otherwise, our liberal intelligentsia will have to shave off their goatees and put on helmets themselves and go out to the square to fight radicals themselves.”

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

The reason they cannot understand, is that "liberal" in Russia is "libertarian": Minimal government and individual freedom. The things the US was founded on. Real, classical liberalism.

But the authoritarian leftists who are mistakenly called "liberal" in the US don't understand this.

Our Founding fathers were liberals. Libertarians are liberals. The American left is authoritarian socialist. FAR from liberal.

No, no, no.....

In Russia, just as in the US and everywhere else a liberal is one who is for the freedom of individuals, that means for government regulation to provide that freedom, in the society via laws to restrict discrimination and in the market place to provide an open and regulated market.

Putins idea is a self regulating market that consists of corruption in ever step of the way, because that is how self regulating markets behave.

 

[Amused]

No, no, no.....

In Russia, just as in the US and everywhere else a liberal is one who is for the freedom of individuals, that means for government regulation to provide that freedom, in the society via laws to restrict discrimination and in the market place to provide an open and regulated market.

Putins idea is a self regulating market that consists of corruption in ever step of the way, because that is how self regulating markets behave.

From where do you get "anarchy" form my discription?

There can be no freedom of the individual without a government to protect that freedom.

In the US, the left who are mistakenly called "liberals" are NO for individual freedoms (beyond sexuality and abortion). They seek to micromanage individual lives for the people's "own good." They value the collective over the individual and minimize/abdicate individual responsibility.

In short, the "libreals" of the US are authoritarian socialists. NOT liberals. The liberals in Russia are libertarian/classical liberal. Putin is NOT interested in individual rights or freedoms. The liberals he rallies against ARE.