Putin to aim some missiles back at Europe.

[StageLeft]

Sweet!

In yet another coup for international relations of the Bush administration, relations continue to sour with Russia.

 

[techs]

It seems the old "cold warriors" just couldn't resist. The West pushed NATO too close to Russian borders and also stood by while Russia turned into a dictatorship. And the East was just looking for a reason to resume its ideology whereby Russia is the target of the West so they need a "strong" (dictator) leader and a large deterrent force.

 

[Aimster]

when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

 

[1EZduzit]

It's a balance of power thing. We have an idiot in charge so Russia has to have one too. I think they got the smarter idiot though.

 

[CanOWorms]

I think that missiles would be aimed at Europe despite the anti-missile site. The EU has been running a massive anti-Russian propaganda campaign among its population, recent revelations have surfaced that European spy agencies are gathering private info on Putin (putting a new spin on UK involvement in the Litvinenko affair), etc. The EU wants this to further goad its population. They want a war. And the US should not be involved - don't protect Europe in any sort of missile defense.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It's a balance of power thing. We have an idiot in charge so Russia has to have one too. I think they got the smarter idiot though.

Smarter, by pointing nuclear missiles at Europe? If so, we could always follow up and do the same.

*ahem, honestly though this situation with Russia is of concern. Perhaps it should be played in the sense that it's Russia barking without much bite behind the bark. I would certainly consider if not outright invite them to HAVE the missile defense - and to work together on it.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Aimster
when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

So does ANYONE really believe that?

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It's a balance of power thing. We have an idiot in charge so Russia has to have one too. I think they got the smarter idiot though.

Smarter, by pointing nuclear missiles at Europe? If so, we could always follow up and do the same.

*ahem, honestly though this situation with Russia is of concern. Perhaps it should be played in the sense that it's Russia barking without much bite behind the bark. I would certainly consider if not outright invite them to HAVE the missile defense - and to work together on it.

I guess the Soviets should have all there missles aimed at the U.S.? Or Iraq/Iran?

How long do you think it takes to change the target anyway?

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think that missiles would be aimed at Europe despite the anti-missile site. The EU has been running a massive anti-Russian propaganda campaign among its population, recent revelations have surfaced that European spy agencies are gathering private info on Putin (putting a new spin on UK involvement in the Litvinenko affair), etc. The EU wants this to further goad its population. They want a war. And the US should not be involved - don't protect Europe in any sort of missile defense.

yeah, it`s itching me already - and this time i have Winter-Diesel in my tank

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aimster
when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

So does ANYONE really believe that?

He can stay in power as long as he wants?
If so, nice dictatorship Russia is.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It's a balance of power thing. We have an idiot in charge so Russia has to have one too. I think they got the smarter idiot though.

Nice

 

[Billyzeke]

How do we even know that the original targets were ever changed to begin with. Just because Yeltsin said so? There was never any real proof that I know of. And how is pointing missles at Europe suppose to threaten us?

 

[B00ne]

Originally posted by: Billyzeke
How do we even know that the original targets were ever changed to begin with. Just because Yeltsin said so? There was never any real proof that I know of. And how is pointing missles at Europe suppose to threaten us?

It is not - it is trying to threaten Poland and Co, to change their (populaces) opinion on the BMD installations

 

[jpeyton]

From the article:

...repeatedly criticized the U.S. as dangerous and hypocritical...

Go Putin! :thumbsup: At least one superpower isn't afraid to stand up to Bush's BS.

Unlike the barking Chavez, Putin has a little bite to his statements with that world-ending arsenal of nuclear ICBMs.

 

[lozina]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aimster
when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

So does ANYONE really believe that?

He can stay in power as long as he wants?
If so, nice dictatorship Russia is.

Calling Russia a dictatorship is as silly as calling USA a dictatorship.

And saying Putin will break the term limit and stay in power after his term is over is as presumptive as saying Bush will stay in power beyond his term. These are simply sensational remarks which are based on nothing but hot air.

 

[spittledip]

"After the death of Mahatma Gandhi," he added, with a smile, "I have nobody to talk to."

LOL

at least he has a good sense of humor

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
From the article:

...repeatedly criticized the U.S. as dangerous and hypocritical...

Go Putin! :thumbsup: At least one superpower isn't afraid to stand up to Bush's BS.

Unlike the barking Chavez, Putin has a little bite to his statements with that world-ending arsenal of nuclear ICBMs.

You'd like that wouldn't you. I can imagine how you'd demonize us if we pointed nuclear missiles at Europe. Praise be to Putin for it eh?

 

[Genx87]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: jpeyton
From the article:

...repeatedly criticized the U.S. as dangerous and hypocritical...

Go Putin! :thumbsup: At least one superpower isn't afraid to stand up to Bush's BS.

Unlike the barking Chavez, Putin has a little bite to his statements with that world-ending arsenal of nuclear ICBMs.

You'd like that wouldn't you. I can imagine how you'd demonize us if we pointed nuclear missiles at Europe. Praise be to Putin for it eh?

I find it so amusing the douchebags on the left get down on their knee's for authortarians. Chavez, the douches in Iran, Putin, Castro. I guess all you need to be is anti-us and you get the apologists(lenins favorite term he coined useful idiots) come out to applaud.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit
It's a balance of power thing. We have an idiot in charge so Russia has to have one too. I think they got the smarter idiot though.

LOL!

But in all seriousness, i think there's a real possibility that Russia, and not Iraq, may in fact be Bush's real failure in 5-10 years.

Bush has Condi Rice as one of his closes advisors, who is probably one of the most knowledgeable people on Russian politics, and yet he hasn't done a damn thing about Putin and Russia.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aimster
when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

So does ANYONE really believe that?

He can stay in power as long as he wants?
If so, nice dictatorship Russia is.

He has assassinated outspoken critics, shut down TV stations, dissolved the democratic process of elections of governors and local legislators, replacing it with his own power to approve or fire them... yet he still has 70+ (almost 80%) approval ratings.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aimster
when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

So does ANYONE really believe that?

He can stay in power as long as he wants?
If so, nice dictatorship Russia is.

Calling Russia a dictatorship is as silly as calling USA a dictatorship.

And saying Putin will break the term limit and stay in power after his term is over is as presumptive as saying Bush will stay in power beyond his term. These are simply sensational remarks which are based on nothing but hot air.

He may not break the presidential term limits, but he is expected to maintain behind the scences control over Russia once he leaves office.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: lozina

Originally posted by: Aimster

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: Aimster
when is Putin's term over?

He said he doesn't want to stay in power much longer.

So does ANYONE really believe that?

He can stay in power as long as he wants?
If so, nice dictatorship Russia is.

Calling Russia a dictatorship is as silly as calling USA a dictatorship.

And saying Putin will break the term limit and stay in power after his term is over is as presumptive as saying Bush will stay in power beyond his term. These are simply sensational remarks which are based on nothing but hot air.

Who's going to stop him? He's already trampled over the 'democratic process' of nearly every other level of government. Is the military going to stop him? HE runs the military. The legislators? He'll dissolve parliament just like Yeltsin did (twice). Are the people going to rise up against him? He has a near 80% approval ratings, and many of those would like to see him do a 3rd term.

His position is absolutely nothing like Bush, and the fact that you think it is, shows how ignorant you really are.

 

[Arkaign]

Big element to the new cold war :

CHINA

China is a global superpower now, by two factors :

(1)- Economy
(2)- Modernizing Military (Boomer subs, anti-satellite weaponry, ICBMs, etc)

I think China will be interesting to watch during this build-up of hostility. Unlike Russia, China has the economy and the guts to *really* put the bite into a potential enemy. I'm also fairly confident that China is envious of Russia's massive petrochemical and natural resource assets, proven and unproven.

Putin is an antique, a 20th century cretin just like Bush I and II. What Russia really needs is probably impossible now, with the power and wealth being consolidated amongst a band of thieves and gangsters. Russia needs someone with the balls to purge the country of it's mafia and corrupt business elite. Russia needs someone with a fresh optimism and the brain to back it up.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Big element to the new cold war :

CHINA

China is a global superpower now, by two factors :

(1)- Economy
(2)- Modernizing Military (Boomer subs, anti-satellite weaponry, ICBMs, etc)

I think China will be interesting to watch during this build-up of hostility. Unlike Russia, China has the economy and the guts to *really* put the bite into a potential enemy. I'm also fairly confident that China is envious of Russia's massive petrochemical and natural resource assets, proven and unproven.

Putin is an antique, a 20th century cretin just like Bush I and II. What Russia really needs is probably impossible now, with the power and wealth being consolidated amongst a band of thieves and gangsters. Russia needs someone with the balls to purge the country of it's mafia and corrupt business elite. Russia needs someone with a fresh optimism and the brain to back it up.

China needs the US, just as much as the US needs China. This is why, even with all the rhetoric the two will NEVER go to war.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Arkaign
Big element to the new cold war :

CHINA

China is a global superpower now, by two factors :

(1)- Economy
(2)- Modernizing Military (Boomer subs, anti-satellite weaponry, ICBMs, etc)

I think China will be interesting to watch during this build-up of hostility. Unlike Russia, China has the economy and the guts to *really* put the bite into a potential enemy. I'm also fairly confident that China is envious of Russia's massive petrochemical and natural resource assets, proven and unproven.

China won't do anything. Why? Because they are so successful already with what they're doing. Their success and economy is wholly dependent on the global economy. Why invade another nation for resources, when you can just negotiate with them? China isn't idealistic... they don't feel the need to 'enlighten' other countries into democracy or socialism. Aside from Taiwan, they don't want to expand beyond their borders.

They're modernizing their military because they don't want to be bullied by the US or Russia (not to mention that Russia is on their doorstep). And for nationalistic pride.

You're worried that China is modernizing their military to catch up with the other industrialized nations. Now step into China's shoes, and look at the US: You see them modernizing their military, but also INVADING other nations. The US obviously doesn't conform to the Geneva Convention or the UN. And the US has been caught spying on China. If i was in China's shoes, i certainly would want to modernize my military ASAP as well.