Putting a pet down

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: sutahz
"What kind of grown, large, cat would try to hurt little kittens like that?"
These aren't humans, these are animals. The other cat could be defending it's territory or perhaps defending what it see's as limited resources (food/water).

Like I said, we've had dozens of cats around here before and never had a problem like this. I really dont think it has anything to do with the cat thinking he will run out of water or food. He was very domesticated. (Though apparently not too much because of this).

"I still think it was extremely demoralizing to him as a cat, and he seemed to be very depressed."
Though sad to see a pet in pain, or as you're putting it, a not good situation is bad you are humanizing this animal. Demoralizing him? He looked depressed because of the pain and lack of energy.
My opinion is you did the right thing in putting him down. You don't have the financial means to possibly fix the cats medical problems so you shortened the time it had to suffer.

And yes, cats can be "down". Cats are very instinctual animals unlike dogs. If they are de-clawed, de-tailed (which this cat was, we bought him from the pet store like that.), or un-able to do normal cat things. Such as walk, let alone run. They feel worthless like they cannot protect themselves and will literally be depressed because they feel their natural abilities are completely gone and they cannot defend themselves. I've read a lot of crap on the internet about the mind of cats and their behaviors because I'm a cat lover, though I'm definitely no where close to any kind of expert on the topic so who knows. Though yeah, I do think that we helped. I wish I would have been able to take him to get help, but there was no possible way for that.

"very caring cat" how? I'm sure he cuddled up next to you, you are his parent at that point (as you got him at a very young age).
Don't feel bad, he probably was in pain and you helped alieviate it.

Idk.. animals aren't completely emotionless beasts. They have personalities just like people all have different personalities. Some cats are very secluded, some like to be petted and around people. Some cats hate being touched, some don't. I've had many different cats and they all were different.

did you kill it yourself or have the vet do it? if you took it to the vet and they recommended doing it, then why ask if it was the right thing to do?

My grandfather did it, it was never taken to a vet.




Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford? You have no idea who I am, or what life I am living. Some people don't have the money for those things. Yes I do have internet but so what? We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away because I don't think we need to have them if I cannot even afford to take them to the vet when they get ill. But they aren't my animals so I cannot give them away, and I wasn't the one who paid for them. I'm just trying to do what I can the best way I know.




And btw, I don't even have insurance, how the hell are we going to have animal insurance lol.

RE: my other post..... never mind. I hadn't read this far.

 

[SirPorl]

Putting a family pet down is a very very hard thing. I think I cried the most in my life when we had to put the family dog down. That was the worst thanksgiving I ever had.

RIP Pooch

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: SirPorl
Putting a family pet down is a very very hard thing. I think I cried the most in my life when we had to put the family dog down. That was the worst thanksgiving I ever had.

RIP Pooch

She wasn't put down but my dog died when I was 16 that I had since my very first Christmas. That was pretty crappy to say the least. But I had prepared for it since she was close to 16, and she was a miniature weenie dog (forgot their real name) and I'm pretty sure that smaller dogs are suppose to live shorter lives than large ones because of faster heart beats or something like that.

 

[SirPorl]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: SirPorl
Putting a family pet down is a very very hard thing. I think I cried the most in my life when we had to put the family dog down. That was the worst thanksgiving I ever had.

RIP Pooch

She wasn't put down but my dog died when I was 16 that I had since my very first Christmas. That was pretty crappy to say the least. But I had prepared for it since she was close to 16, and she was a miniature weenie dog (forgot their real name) and I'm pretty sure that smaller dogs are suppose to live shorter lives than large ones because of faster heart beats or something like that.

I think you have it backwards. Big dogs usually have a shorter lifespan than small dogs. Sorry to hear about the loss of your pet.

Sorry to hear about the OP's loss. Animals are something special and it is sad to see them go

 

[coldmeat]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Originally posted by: SirPorl
Putting a family pet down is a very very hard thing. I think I cried the most in my life when we had to put the family dog down. That was the worst thanksgiving I ever had.

RIP Pooch

She wasn't put down but my dog died when I was 16 that I had since my very first Christmas. That was pretty crappy to say the least. But I had prepared for it since she was close to 16, and she was a miniature weenie dog (forgot their real name) and I'm pretty sure that smaller dogs are suppose to live shorter lives than large ones because of faster heart beats or something like that.

It's actually the other way around. Smaller dogs are supposed to live longer.

We have a dog that is 16 and she is getting pretty blind and deaf. She doesn't seem to be in any pain, and we got a new dog a little over a year ago, so she pretty much follows the younger one around. We think we may need to put down the 16 yr old dog soon, as soon as we see any sign of pain.

 

[Madwand1]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford? You have no idea who I am, or what life I am living. Some people don't have the money for those things. Yes I do have internet but so what? We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away because I don't think we need to have them if I cannot even afford to take them to the vet when they get ill. But they aren't my animals so I cannot give them away, and I wasn't the one who paid for them. I'm just trying to do what I can the best way I know.

And btw, I don't even have insurance, how the hell are we going to have animal insurance lol.

I take it that these parts were addressed to me. I'm sorry you got the wrong impressions from my posts.

It was pretty clear that you couldn't afford much, and besides it was more than a little late to think about insurance, so my points were addressed to others who might be looking at this thread and might never have thought about insurance or funding emergency medical treatment for their pets.

Again, I'm sorry if you thought my remarks to be critical of you in any way. I've made no remarks on you at all.

I found out about pet insurance myself when I was at an animal hospital paying the sort of sums for treatment which make you think about insurance. I found that time to be more difficult because I couldn't really afford to throw money at the problem either (and especially with the prospect of the end result still being negative), and especially didn't like the moral dilemma of possibly preserving my pet's life or saving my money for other uses. What's a pet's life, health or happiness worth to you? It's not a nice question, and if you have insurance, you can avoid having to give a full answer.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Like I said, we've had dozens of cats around here before and never had a problem like this. I really dont think it has anything to do with the cat thinking he will run out of water or food. He was very domesticated. (Though apparently not too much because of this).


And yes, cats can be "down". Cats are very instinctual animals unlike dogs. If they are de-clawed, de-tailed (which this cat was, we bought him from the pet store like that.), or un-able to do normal cat things. Such as walk, let alone run. They feel worthless like they cannot protect themselves and will literally be depressed because they feel their natural abilities are completely gone and they cannot defend themselves. I've read a lot of crap on the internet about the mind of cats and their behaviors because I'm a cat lover, though I'm definitely no where close to any kind of expert on the topic so who knows. Though yeah, I do think that we helped. I wish I would have been able to take him to get help, but there was no possible way for that.

Idk.. animals aren't completely emotionless beasts. They have personalities just like people all have different personalities. Some cats are very secluded, some like to be petted and around people. Some cats hate being touched, some don't. I've had many different cats and they all were different.


My grandfather did it, it was never taken to a vet.

Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford? You have no idea who I am, or what life I am living. Some people don't have the money for those things. Yes I do have internet but so what? We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away because I don't think we need to have them if I cannot even afford to take them to the vet when they get ill. But they aren't my animals so I cannot give them away, and I wasn't the one who paid for them. I'm just trying to do what I can the best way I know.



And btw, I don't even have insurance, how the hell are we going to have animal insurance lol.

You posted this as the pet owner...perhaps qualifying 'mom and dad' may have saved some grief.

However, the long and short of it is you guys seem like a pet is the last thing you need if you are barely making it by and much of the reason pet laws are in place.

This said being you are apparently are young how did you come to own so many cats already?

You Dr. Katvorkian?

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: Madwand1

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford? You have no idea who I am, or what life I am living. Some people don't have the money for those things. Yes I do have internet but so what? We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away because I don't think we need to have them if I cannot even afford to take them to the vet when they get ill. But they aren't my animals so I cannot give them away, and I wasn't the one who paid for them. I'm just trying to do what I can the best way I know.

And btw, I don't even have insurance, how the hell are we going to have animal insurance lol.

I take it that these parts were addressed to me. I'm sorry you got the wrong impressions from my posts.

It was pretty clear that you couldn't afford much, and besides it was more than a little late to think about insurance, so my points were addressed to others who might be looking at this thread and might never have thought about insurance or funding emergency medical treatment for their pets.

Again, I'm sorry if you thought my remarks to be critical of you in any way. I've made no remarks on you at all.

I found out about pet insurance myself when I was at an animal hospital paying the sort of sums for treatment which make you think about insurance. I found that time to be more difficult because I couldn't really afford to throw money at the problem either (and especially with the prospect of the end result still being negative), and especially didn't like the moral dilemma of possibly preserving my pet's life or saving my money for other uses. What's a pet's life, health or happiness worth to you? It's not a nice question, and if you have insurance, you can avoid having to give a full answer.

I apologize.


Well in that case, my friend had an enormous dog (not sure what his name was) that lived to be 15 1/2.

Its sad cause he also had a little black Pomeranian, Sheriff, and the big one was Bandit (I thought that was cute lol) The little one was all crazy and hyper, but bandit was so old he didn't like to play much. The little one would hump his face all the time when he was laying down lol.. but yeah towards the end of Bandits life. Bandit and Sheriff was in the field near his house and Bandit was watching Sheriff mess with a cow.. Well the cow apparently had calves around him because he charged Sheriff but Sheriff was too quick and dodged out of the way and Bandit ended up getting ran over He was like 15. It broke his leg and messed him all up.. then he died a couple months later.. It was sooo sad because Sheriff use to be such a happy seeming dog always jumping around, looking like he has a big grin on his face, constantly running around the house. But then after Bandit died he didn't do anything.. he just would lay in one spot all day long with this really sad look on his face and never bark or want to be petted.. it was really sad. He ended up dying less than a year later even though he was only a few years old. I'm not sure how, I think he was hit by a car.. I still believe he committed doggy suicide because he was so sad lol It always sucks to see dogs so unhappy like that. I've been friends with their owner for many many years so they were practically like my dogs too.

Originally posted by: alkemyst

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Like I said, we've had dozens of cats around here before and never had a problem like this. I really dont think it has anything to do with the cat thinking he will run out of water or food. He was very domesticated. (Though apparently not too much because of this).


And yes, cats can be "down". Cats are very instinctual animals unlike dogs. If they are de-clawed, de-tailed (which this cat was, we bought him from the pet store like that.), or un-able to do normal cat things. Such as walk, let alone run. They feel worthless like they cannot protect themselves and will literally be depressed because they feel their natural abilities are completely gone and they cannot defend themselves. I've read a lot of crap on the internet about the mind of cats and their behaviors because I'm a cat lover, though I'm definitely no where close to any kind of expert on the topic so who knows. Though yeah, I do think that we helped. I wish I would have been able to take him to get help, but there was no possible way for that.

Idk.. animals aren't completely emotionless beasts. They have personalities just like people all have different personalities. Some cats are very secluded, some like to be petted and around people. Some cats hate being touched, some don't. I've had many different cats and they all were different.


My grandfather did it, it was never taken to a vet.

Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford? You have no idea who I am, or what life I am living. Some people don't have the money for those things. Yes I do have internet but so what? We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away because I don't think we need to have them if I cannot even afford to take them to the vet when they get ill. But they aren't my animals so I cannot give them away, and I wasn't the one who paid for them. I'm just trying to do what I can the best way I know.



And btw, I don't even have insurance, how the hell are we going to have animal insurance lol.

You posted this as the pet owner...perhaps qualifying 'mom and dad' may have saved some grief.

However, the long and short of it is you guys seem like a pet is the last thing you need if you are barely making it by and much of the reason pet laws are in place.

This said being you are apparently are young how did you come to own so many cats already?

You Dr. Katvorkian?

I'm a cat lover.

Do you think I've been this broke my whole life? Some people just hit rough times at points. It's not like I have animals caged up starving them or something. We only have 1 other kitten, which is very healthy and active. And another cat that is getting close to 13 years old. If we were crappy owners I don't think he would have lived that long.

And about keeping cats inside. I cannot do that to cats, I'd rather not have an animal period then make him be cooped up inside 24/7. And cats aren't like dogs I can't build a dog pen for them or take them on walks. Besides, I've never had a cat die from any wild animals or anything like that.

 

[sutahz]

So you know, with absolute certainty, which cat attacked your kitten? Otherwise
"I really dont think it has anything to do with the cat thinking he will run out of water or food. He was very domesticated. (Though apparently not too much because of this)." doesn't hold much water. If so, then maybe it was the cats "time of the month" and he was more agressive.

"Cats are very instinctual animals unlike dogs."
Dogs don't run off instincts? Strange...

"If they are de-clawed, de-tailed....or un-able to do normal cat things. Such as walk, let alone run. They feel worthless like they cannot protect themselves and will literally be depressed..."
What you view as depressed I see as weakness after a medical procedure. They are in pain and are weak hence a less desire to do things. Can an animal be sad? I don't doubt it.

"Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford?"
I'll answer that w/ quotes from your OP
"We were unable to take him to the vet because of money problems"
"Chances are he would have needed surgery to ever be able to walk again (which we could not afford)"

But at least you contradict yourself here (in my opinion):
"We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away"
You super care about animals and have read a lot of 'crap' online about cats but justify yourself by saying you're not the one who wanted the cat and you'd rather just get rid of all the cats.

You just sound like someone who gets emotionally attached to things very easily.
Again, it sucks you lost a cute cuddly kitty but like everyone else here it sounds like you made a very logical (and caring) decison here.

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: sutahz
So you know, with absolute certainty, which cat attacked your kitten? Otherwise
"I really dont think it has anything to do with the cat thinking he will run out of water or food. He was very domesticated. (Though apparently not too much because of this)." doesn't hold much water. If so, then maybe it was the cats "time of the month" and he was more agressive.

"Cats are very instinctual animals unlike dogs."
Dogs don't run off instincts? Strange...

"If they are de-clawed, de-tailed....or un-able to do normal cat things. Such as walk, let alone run. They feel worthless like they cannot protect themselves and will literally be depressed..."
What you view as depressed I see as weakness after a medical procedure. They are in pain and are weak hence a less desire to do things. Can an animal be sad? I don't doubt it.

"Who are you to tell me what I can and cannot afford?"
I'll answer that w/ quotes from your OP
"We were unable to take him to the vet because of money problems"
"Chances are he would have needed surgery to ever be able to walk again (which we could not afford)"

But at least you contradict yourself here (in my opinion):
"We get by barely each month with the money we do have for the bills. People come before animals. Besides, I wasn't the one who got the cat in the first place. If it was up to me I would give all the animals away"
You super care about animals and have read a lot of 'crap' online about cats but justify yourself by saying you're not the one who wanted the cat and you'd rather just get rid of all the cats.

You just sound like someone who gets emotionally attached to things very easily.
Again, it sucks you lost a cute cuddly kitty but like everyone else here it sounds like you made a very logical (and caring) decison here.

Dogs are as well but "pet" dogs, not wolves, are extremely domesticated. I would find an article on it but I'm too lazy. Maybe someone can back me up on this one. Haven't you ever heard that if you leave a house cat in the middle of the woods it will survive, you do that to a domesticated dog and he will die. (I'm not sure where I read this at, and no I've never tried it lol. But cats ARE instinctual hunters and can climb trees for safety. Where dogs cannot.) Cats have much much more instinctive than dogs, they are way more resilient to being domesticated. (Could say that is just stubborn) Best way to put it is, dogs are born to follow leaders, cats are born to take care of themselves.

And yes I'm very sure it was that cat because that is the only cat around here other than the 13 year old one that wouldn't hurt a fly. We would hear cats fighting outside but when we would come out, it would stop. Also you would only hear 1 cat screaming, not 2, so that seems to me like a cat being beaten up. Then a week or two after he was beat up badly (clearly mauled by another cat or animal), my Dad heard banging all around our porch. When he came out there the adult cat had the 2nd kitten on the ground pinned biting him over and over and over, his exact words was "he wasn't just beating the cat up, he was fucking mauling him". He was sure that he would have killed the cat if my dad wouldn't have came out. The other cat (the one that was previously beat up) was in the corner of the porch hissing and shitting all over himself. And before this even happened, it was very clear that both the cats were extremely afraid of that cat because this has been going on for awhile. They weren't afraid of the old cat, just my neighbors. So yes, I'm 100% positive it was that cat. He even beats up on the 13 year old cat who has been neutered. (Which is another reason we got rid of it.)


Hmm this gives me an idea for a new poll

 

[alkemyst]

You are posting bullshit about cats vs dogs. Both unless born in at the wild will die quickly esp in the woods...they have a much better chance around people with garbage.

You seriously don't really know fucking anything about cats despite 'being a cat lover'.

Toddlers want to go outside too. You don't let them and they learn to accept that and live a better life due to it despite how much they cry about it....likewise several other things they want to do growing up.

Putting the cat outside at night was never the right thing to do, it was the easy thing.

Spay or neuter the pet and about 90% of it's craving to go outside is gone. If you let your pet roam unfixed outside your are a fucking idiot and are contributing to tons of animals having to be put to sleep/killed/living terrible lives.

The average feral female cat spends most of her life pregnant and starving.

The average male feral recovering from wounds and starving.

The 'outdoor' cat fares better but is usually experiencing various diseases and traumas. The average outdoor cat will xray positive for BB's and even arrow heads/other foreign objects commonly.

The average lifespan of a outdoor cat is about 2 years...5 is pushing it. This is an AVERAGE, some people are very lucky. Bubba Gump out in the boonies can probably keep an outdoor cat as fine as can be since the only cars that cat needs to worry about is it's owner's usually. Even then it's common for an owner to kill their own cat by backing over it while it's sleeping against a previously warm tire or kill it by it getting tangled in the engine.

Instincts are just as strong in both cats and dogs. The cats independence doesn't make it's instincts stronger. Stray dogs forming problematic packs are very common. All dogs instincts are to try to be the alpha dog or become as high a member of the pack they can.

regardless if you were bill gates at one time or another...it doesn't change the fact that if you are having trouble making ends meet the last thing you should do is get a pet.

I am EXTREMELY curious of what ENORMOUS dog lived to be 15 1/2 years old though.

That would interest many scientists.

 

[I Saw OJ]

Originally posted by: Sluggo

Originally posted by: V00DOO
It's never easy. I had to put my dog down for dying of Prostate Cancer. If they ask if you want to see your car after being put down, JUST SAY NO. I made the mistake of viewing my dog one last time after he was put down. I can never get the image of my dead dog off my head. It makes me sad everytime that image pops up.

You werent in the room?

Our vet let me and my wife stay in the room with our dog during the whole procedure. After the shot the Dr. left and just told us to take as much time as we wanted. I had just assumed it was standard for the vet to let you be there.

And sadly, it will be that time again soon for our other dog.

Oh hell no. No way I would be able to be in the room or see my dead pet after the fact.

Funny/sad story. My mother had to put down one of her cats many years ago and when she took it to the vet to be put down she was crying so hystaricly that the vet couldnt get up the nerve to put it down. My dad had to come pick up the cat and take it to another vet.

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: I Saw OJ
Oh hell no. No way I would be able to be in the room or see my dead pet after the fact.

Funny/sad story. My mother had to put down one of her cats many years ago and when she took it to the vet to be put down she was crying so hystaricly that the vet couldnt get up the nerve to put it down. My dad had to come pick up the cat and take it to another vet.

Well like any death...you being there is not about you, it's about who's dying.

I see many strays in my head...one died in my driveway somehow (probably one of the SUV mom's flying at 60mph down our 15mph street) the day after I fed him.

I will say it's not always pretty...I have another image in my head of a pet that responded very poorly to the euthanasia. It was probably all of 30 second but not fun.

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
You are posting bullshit about cats vs dogs. Both unless born in at the wild will die quickly esp in the woods...they have a much better chance around people with garbage.

You seriously don't really know fucking anything about cats despite 'being a cat lover'.

Toddlers want to go outside too. You don't let them and they learn to accept that and live a better life due to it despite how much they cry about it....likewise several other things they want to do growing up.

Putting the cat outside at night was never the right thing to do, it was the easy thing.

Spay or neuter the pet and about 90% of it's craving to go outside is gone. If you let your pet roam unfixed outside your are a fucking idiot and are contributing to tons of animals having to be put to sleep/killed/living terrible lives.

The average feral female cat spends most of her life pregnant and starving.

The average male feral recovering from wounds and starving.

The 'outdoor' cat fares better but is usually experiencing various diseases and traumas. The average outdoor cat will xray positive for BB's and even arrow heads/other foreign objects commonly.

The average lifespan of a outdoor cat is about 2 years...5 is pushing it. This is an AVERAGE, some people are very lucky. Bubba Gump out in the boonies can probably keep an outdoor cat as fine as can be since the only cars that cat needs to worry about is it's owner's usually. Even then it's common for an owner to kill their own cat by backing over it while it's sleeping against a previously warm tire or kill it by it getting tangled in the engine.

Instincts are just as strong in both cats and dogs. The cats independence doesn't make it's instincts stronger. Stray dogs forming problematic packs are very common. All dogs instincts are to try to be the alpha dog or become as high a member of the pack they can.

regardless if you were bill gates at one time or another...it doesn't change the fact that if you are having trouble making ends meet the last thing you should do is get a pet.

I am EXTREMELY curious of what ENORMOUS dog lived to be 15 1/2 years old though.

That would interest many scientists.

I'm not sure what kind of dog it was. I know it was much larger than any of the dogs I've had (lab/german sheppard/etc..) I'll try to get a hold of him on myspace or something and ask since he lives in Washington now.

You are posting bullshit about cats vs dogs. Both unless born in at the wild will die quickly esp in the woods...they have a much better chance around people with garbage.

You seriously don't really know fucking anything about cats despite 'being a cat lover'.

"Cats can adapt to environment change and have proven it time and time again. A kitty born in the wild without human intervention or contact can be taken from a feral cat colony and placed in an indoor-only environment and if given time, it will adjust to its new home and territory. The same can be said with the situation reversed. Cats that are raised as ?house cats? and find themselves dumped or tossed outside can survive in the wild whether it?s in an urban area with dumpsters to raid or a forest with lots of small rodents and birds to prey upon. However, chance of survival is much less when human intervention and sustenance is not present, but it DOES happen (and I hope no one supports ?dumping? of animals anywhere)." www.felineconservation.org

I was right so apparently I still know a little more than you. Who to me is the one spitting bullshit of the top of their head.

Toddlers want to go outside too. You don't let them and they learn to accept that and live a better life due to it despite how much they cry about it....likewise several other things they want to do growing up.

And wtf, comparing fucking house cats to small children? LOL Yeah thats really comparably haha I think cats can take care of themselves a little better than a 2 year old.

The average lifespan of a outdoor cat is about 2 years...5 is pushing it. This is an AVERAGE, some people are very lucky. Bubba Gump out in the boonies can probably keep an outdoor cat as fine as can be since the only cars that cat needs to worry about is it's owner's usually. Even then it's common for an owner to kill their own cat by backing over it while it's sleeping against a previously warm tire or kill it by it getting tangled in the engine.

"The average life span of indoor cats is about 14 years ? though this is reduced to 4 years in cats that are allowed to roam free, exposing themselves to the hazards of outdoor life." - petplace.com

4 years average, not 2.

This is for urban living if you want to check the site. I'm pretty sure it would be quite higher considering I live basically in the country. I live in Texas so the whole too cold getting in the engine theory, never happened. No one around here has ever ran over a cat in the 19 years we've lived here. Even if they are around the car, they get the hell away as soon as it starts.

And another thing, the cat that is almost 13 years old is an OUTDOORS cat. And guess what? He's doing just fine and is most likely going to see 14-15.

Instincts are just as strong in both cats and dogs. The cats independence doesn't make it's instincts stronger. Stray dogs forming problematic packs are very common. All dogs instincts are to try to be the alpha dog or become as high a member of the pack they can.

Actually yes it does. An animal that is born with instincts to take care of itself vs an animal that is born to join a pack (with no other dogs around to teach him how to take care of himself in the woods). Cats are born with the ability to hunt and take care of themselves. When is the last time you seen a dog killing rodents for fun? I would say that is a difference. Do I need to find a source for this too? I'd rather not waste my time since you've already proven that your a jackass. You're giving me bullshit information that is mostly for people who live in a f*cking city.

The 'outdoor' cat fares better but is usually experiencing various diseases and traumas. The average outdoor cat will xray positive for BB's and even arrow heads/other foreign objects commonly.

You have no fucking idea where I live so quit talking like you know jackshit. I'm pretty sure my 13 year old outdoor cat is enough proof to show you that they can be just fine where I live. There isn't a single kid living around me, all adults and older people. No one is shooting my animals with BB guns.

 

[alkemyst]

i was a zoology major. I am pretty active in the cat community. I am sure though in the rest of your history here you will start a post with how whoa is me and end it with I am a balla foo! You started about it being your cat, then went to saying it's not your cat, and now basically making statements for everyone in your state.

Your hash of 2 vs 4 year was not considering ferals. Keep your wiki skillz strong though. Also I HIGHLY doubt no one in your area never hit a cat in 19 years. Just a FYI...most aren't going to be bragging about it. If they did you are not going to find out by using GOOGLE.

I don't get your response to the instinct part nor bringing up city dwellers (which most are)...you responded with nothing related to the quote. I like how you think since a dog won't kill a rodent for fun (although they will) that they cannot survive outside. Go and google up wild dog packs and the like.

If your family is so hard up though, I'd think about getting a night job. Better search fast your mom is about to come in and tell you 'lights out little boy'

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
i was a zoology major. I am pretty active in the cat community. I am sure though in the rest of your history here you will start a post with how whoa is me and end it with I am a balla foo! You started about it being your cat, then went to saying it's not your cat, and now basically making statements for everyone in your state.

Your hash of 2 vs 4 year was not considering ferals. Keep your wiki skillz strong though. Also I HIGHLY doubt no one in your area never hit a cat in 19 years. Just a FYI...most aren't going to be bragging about it. If they did you are not going to find out by using GOOGLE.

I don't get your response to the instinct part nor bringing up city dwellers (which most are)...you responded with nothing related to the quote. I like how you think since a dog won't kill a rodent for fun (although they will) that they cannot survive outside. Go and google up wild dog packs and the like.

If your family is so hard up though, I'd think about getting a night job. Better search fast your mom is about to come in and tell you 'lights out little boy'

This thread was pulled in the direction its at now. I didn't just randomly start talking crap, people started being dicks and it is now here where it is.

None of that is from wiki.

My area, doesn't mean this city, this means the 5-6 houses around me. (which is pretty much half a mile area) I've said many many times I live basically in the country. (Everyone around here is pretty close nit, my grandma talks to everyone. I think she would hear if someone ran over their cat, or ours.)

We aren't talking about wild dog packs, we are talking about 1 dog, and 1 cat. I've already said dogs need leaders, this goes with packs.

My mom is dead. Thanks.

 

[alkemyst]

No one was just being a 'dick'...you came off as someone unfit to own a pet. You started this post pretty clueless and yet know you are an up and coming animal expert, a regular cat whisperer \ / YATTAI!

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
We aren't talking about wild dog packs, we are talking about 1 dog, and 1 cat. I've already said dogs need leaders, this goes with packs.

doesn't change my post...both will not do well alone in the woods. A domestic cat is not a hunter. Playing with a mouse is not hunting. Also most mice will have migrated to cities or where people are.

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
My mom is dead. Thanks.

keep painting your emo picture. your welcome.

 

[Kaolccips]

Originally posted by: alkemyst
No one was just being a 'dick'...you came off as someone unfit to own a pet. You started this post pretty clueless and yet know you are an up and coming animal expert, a regular cat whisperer \ / YATTAI!

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
We aren't talking about wild dog packs, we are talking about 1 dog, and 1 cat. I've already said dogs need leaders, this goes with packs.

doesn't change my post...both will not do well alone in the woods. A domestic cat is not a hunter. Playing with a mouse is not hunting. Also most mice will have migrated to cities or where people are.

Originally posted by: Kaolccips
My mom is dead. Thanks.

keep painting your emo picture. your welcome.

No one was just being a 'dick'...you came off as someone unfit to own a pet. You started this post pretty clueless and yet know you are an up and coming animal expert, a regular cat whisperer \ / YATTAI!

I've read a lot of crap on the internet about the mind of cats and their behaviors because I'm a cat lover, though I'm definitely no where close to any kind of expert on the topic so who knows.

And yes, someone who comes out from no where, completely uncalled for, telling me I'll full of bullshit and trying to say that I'm lying about stuff (Like my friends dog) is definitely being a dick. Wtf would I lie about something like that for?

And this is why the whole cat/dog thing started

"Cats are very instinctual animals unlike dogs."
Dogs don't run off instincts? Strange...

The reason I said that in the first place is half the people here I'm sure let their dogs out. If I can let my dog out, I should be able to let my cat out as well. In an area where I am, where there is no dogs to harm the cat, or people to "shoot them with BB guns". They are fine, just like my 13 year old cat is still doing perfectly fine. Arguing with me about things like this, telling me things that could harm my cat. I really appreciate the lecture and I know it's only for the benefit of my animals. But no one really knows more about where I live, and what could harm my cat around here, but me. Because I'm the one who lived here for 19+ years and has had healthy animals (even cats) who have lived 10+ years and are still in great health. You are posting things that are extremely general, when if you get down to it, it should be the owners option on whether or not it would be safe for the animal. You can't just say that every cat should be kept indoors 100% of the time because of all these things because all these things aren't everywhere cats are. I live in a town with barely over 6,000. The only thing right now that could possibly harm my animals is that crazy cat, which has been given away, or wild animals. And considering the people around me have been clearing out all the woods for cattle. I don't think that is going to be a problem either. Like I said, my 13+ year old cat who is in very good health for an animal his age, is proof enough.

Oh and btw, I forgot who made a comment earlier about my cats being outside at night or some crap. My cats come in at night so...

A domestic cat is not a hunter. Playing with a mouse is not hunting. Also most mice will have migrated to cities or where people are.

"Here are some of the myths and old wives tales about cats and hunting.
Pet cats are just too lazy to hunt. In no way is this true, domestic cats may sleep away two thirds of their day but they are shallow sleepers and alert to all sound, and movements, that take place around them. Cats are designed to use high levels of energy in relatively short bursts, and then rest to recuperate.

A cat that is well fed will not hunt.

This is simply untrue. A cat will hunt whether it is hungry or not, hunting is an instinctive need within your cat. The fact is a well fed and healthy cat is more likely to be an effective hunter of prey, than an ill fed feral cat."
http://www.best-cat-art.com/cat-hunting.html

1 second google. If you think the information is wrong, feel free to read it on sites you believe are more trustworthy. I've ready it many times in different places on the internet while reading over cats, I know it's true. But if you need more proof be my guest.

And actually yes, them catching mice and playing with them IS hunting. If they were un-fed they would eat the mouse. The fact that they are a pet, and are fed. They do not eat it, and resort to playing with it because they don't NEED to eat it.

"Kittens must be shown how to hunt by their mother.

Only partly true. Kittens are born with a natural hunting instinct, but if the mother cat is on hand to teach her kittens the necessary skills, they will be able to become more proficient hunters."
Same site.

It even says that a de-clawed cat will hunt on that site.

My mom is dead. Thanks.


keep painting your emo picture. your welcome.

Yeah cause everyone who has a dead parent is emo... alright. I don't even know what to say about this. You're fucked up.

 

[wwswimming]

sounds like you did the right thing.

i had an outdoor cat for about 4 months once. i'm allergic to them, so it had to
stay outdoors.

it showed up on my patio real beat-up, with one of it's big "fang" teeth missing
(upper left, whatever it's called). i fed it and gave it rags and stuff for a nest.

it disappeared after 4 months. i think it was re-claimed by a neighbor who it
may have belonged to in the first place ... or ended up being dinner for some
of the local homeless population.

i didn't read the entire thread. did you get another cat ?

 

[alkemyst]

Originally posted by: Kaolccips

Yeah cause everyone who has a dead parent is emo... alright. I don't even know what to say about this. You're fucked up.

No I didn't say that, you are being emo by whining about all this stuff. Your picture puts you in the emo crowd...that's the look you were shooting for.

Hate to break it to you though but you sound like every other ignorant teenager saying because they grew up in a household where ADULTS did things, by proxy you are also an expert.

You are spouting off a ton of hearsay though. Get a few zoology and animal psychology courses under your belt and get back to what you posted above.