[Q] Why is the draft such a bad idea?

[her209]

Please explain why or why not.

 

[Balt]

Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

 

[Dissipate]

Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

 

[lowfatbaconboy]

because we don't need it
people don't like being told what to do by the gov
some people don't want to go fight in a war

the list goes on.....here is a question
why is the draft a good idea?

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Balt
Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

Exactly.
Also, do you want to be forced to do something that you don't want to do that may kill you ?

 

[HappyPuppy]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

Being wrong morally doesn't mean it's wrong legally or constitutionally. If they draft, you will go, Little Grasshopper.

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Balt
Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

You got it.

We can debate the legality/morality of a draft all day long, but short of WWIII, a draft will never be called because it would simply be political suicide for the party in office.

Still, some liberals love using it as a tactic to paint Kerry as the solution to avoid forced conscription... yet another scare tactic with no basis in reality.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Balt
Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

That is an incomplete reason. Why would it be political suicide?

 

[Wheatmaster]

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
because we don't need it

wrong about that one. I think i heard that like 44% of the troops in the army right now are reenlisting....

 

[MrBond]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Balt
Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

That is an incomplete reason. Why would it be political suicide?

If Mom and Dad don't agree with the war, they're not going to vote to reelect any person that supported a draft that will send Junior off to war.

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

So if a soldier who morally objects to a war and refuses to fight should not be punished?

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
because we don't need it

wrong about that one. I think i heard that like 44% of the troops in the army right now are reenlisting....

And what percentage of troops normally reenlist...........?

Kind of a useless number unless you have a baseline for comparison, isn't it?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: MrBond

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Balt
Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

That is an incomplete reason. Why would it be political suicide?

If Mom and Dad don't agree with the war, they're not going to vote to reelect any person that supported a draft that will send Junior off to war.

I thought the majority of people supported the war in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also, aren't draftees of voting age?

 

[gsaldivar]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Balt
Because it's political suicide for whichever presidential candidate supports it.

That is an incomplete reason. Why would it be political suicide?

Just because you don't agree with the reason, doesn't mean that it's "incomplete".

A draft today would be political suicide because of the large percentage of moderate electorate. The party in office calling the draft would lose enough voters to make that party politically irrelevant.

 

[ryzmah]

1) There really isn't a need for one yet.

2) A draft would replace qualified soldiers who chose to serve their country with people who would have relatively little training and on average much less desire to serve.

3) Other reasons for draft (wealthy doing their part, etc.) might be valid, but setting a draft for the military when there isn't a demand seems like a waste - a mandatory government service program (maybe 1-2 years at end of high school or college) might meet those needs better while providing a more useful service.

 

[BaboonGuy]

involuntary servitude, it's against the constitution

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

So if a soldier who morally objects to a war and refuses to fight should not be punished?

Correct.

 

[zimmie6576]

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

So if a soldier who morally objects to a war and refuses to fight should not be punished?

Correct.

You've got my agreement Dissipate.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: ryzmah
1) There really isn't a need for one yet.

2) A draft would replace qualified soldiers who chose to serve their country with people who would have relatively little training and on average much less desire to serve.

3) Other reasons for draft (wealthy doing their part, etc.) might be valid, but setting a draft for the military when there isn't a demand seems like a waste - a mandatory government service program (maybe 1-2 years at end of high school or college) might meet those needs better while providing a more useful service.

I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[PHiuR]

dumb for starting this thread...

BUT....

do you want to go fight another person's war?

 

[beer]

its not a legitimate war

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: zimmie6576

Originally posted by: Dissipate

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

So if a soldier who morally objects to a war and refuses to fight should not be punished?

Correct.

You've got my agreement Dissipate.

I would fix that and say a citizen who morally objects can refuse to fight. If you enlist and dont state you have a problem with fighthing, then you are expected to shoot an insurgent in the face if need be. I believe its called treason when a soldier refuses to fight during war time.

 

[thomsbrain]

Originally posted by: Wheatmaster

Originally posted by: lowfatbaconboy
because we don't need it

wrong about that one. I think i heard that like 44% of the troops in the army right now are reenlisting....

but you didn't hear that the army is dangerously low on troops. there's a difference.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Dissipate
Because conscription is the exercise of force against law abiding citizens. Forcing someone to fight in a war goes against their rights.

 

[TallBill]

Re-enlistments army wide are WAY up.