Q6600 vs E6850 (Short term [12 months])

[tracerbullet]

Originally posted by: idiotekniQues
i bit the bullet and ordered a Q66 from mwave for 284 shipped via 2-day.

i photoshop and rip dvd's and multitask like a mofo.

Nice. I do the same things, PS and ripping CD's and DVD's. Congrats on going ahead and doing it. (I'm on the fence to see about the G0 thing, if it'll run much cooler, that's important for me)

Originally posted by: GEOrifle
I'm still sitting on PIV 3.4 PRESCOT and 9800PRO........

LOL, O/C'd Mobile Athlon 2600 and 9600XT here.

Originally posted by: aigomorla

1. you encode /photoshop / Compile like no tommarrow,
2. you play games which are quadcore optimised
3. You like to play with the latest technology.
4. You do distributing Computing such as F@H or WCG.

If 1 - 4 doesnt apply to you, you dont need a quad.

Well put.

 

[Cheex]

As for me, I don't think I'll be getting either of these just yet.

If I had the $266 then it would be a hard decision but if I'm gonna get a new CPU now, then I might go for the E6750 and OC it to ~3.6GHz or more and be happy until the Penryn (45nm) Quads.

 

[TVisitor]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

If you want my honest opinion, id get a gigabyte P35-DQ6. Reason is because on that asus board, which i tried, if you have a G80 card, you end up blocking SATA 1, 3. Very poor location of these sata ports.

Now that I think of it: It looks like if you put the card in the 2nd PCI Express x16 slot, it will not block anything. Or are you not allowed to do that (i.e. have to use slot #1 before you use the 2nd slot?)

 

[n0nsense]

Nothing Like 680i with ASUS implementation.
simply select 1750 FSB (438x4) with sync mode. (no voltage or anything else modified)
runs for weeks with serious loads (100%cpu and mem utilization for 3 days (recompiling 3 times whole system) with some graphics tests on background.
waiting to lay my hands on 45nm piece and see how far it will go.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: n0nsense
Nothing Like 680i with ASUS implementation.
simply select 1750 FSB (438x4) with sync mode. (no voltage or anything else modified)
runs for weeks with serious loads (100%cpu and mem utilization for 3 days (recompiling 3 times whole system) with some graphics tests on background.
waiting to lay my hands on 45nm piece and see how far it will go.

ur kidding me right?

the 680i has to be the most sorriest chipset anyone could own.

Have you even played with a P35 chipset? If your thinkn an ASUS 680i, which is the SORRIEST out of all the 680i chipsets is nice, then your living in a bubble my friend.

EVGA has the most stable quadcore 680i. This is a known fact. The one with the least amount of problems however is the gigabyte. Asus can kiss my butt on the 680i because there extremely late on bios and updates.


As for a TR120 fitting on the gigabyte P35-DQ6, your best emailing Thermalright and asking them yourself. There pretty sharp and hoenst about compatability. MEaning they wont tell you something will fit when it wont. At most, if there not 100% sure, they will say it wont fit, and give you reasons why it wont.

 

[Genison]

Why has no one recommended the Abit IP35 Pro board? It's less expensive than the Gigabyte, has all SATA ports available, seems to get the same performance as any of them, and when you look at the reviews it's getting about as many "editor" awards as the Gigabyte. The way I see it, they have been tied in the reviews. I am having a hard time deciding between them, myself.

Specifically, I'm speaking of this thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2067695&enterthread=y

 

[Spumpkin]

Can anyone clear up the question about the two asus boards i am considering?

the P5k vs the p5kc.. The C seems to have support for DDR3, but seems like somethings 'aren't showcased on their website for the C version. For instance it does NOT mention the Asus super memspeed Technology for the C version.. but the regular p5k does have it.. Now i'm sure probably a gimmick and doesnt help much.... but it seems like there could be some trade off's.. now if the P5kC was EXACTLy the same as the p5k and it just simply supported the DDR3 i would probably do it.. but now i'm wondering if its worth it or not..

it's only a 10 dollar difference. I just thought trying to be a little more future proof couldn't hurt, but then again, maybe i wont ever use the DDR3


(is the layout for the p5k fine for the 8600 or 8800 cards? in terms of Sata ports, unlike the delux layout?)

 

[TVisitor]

I though the only difference between "deluxe" and non-deluxe was what else came in the box?

Am I blind or is the E6850 not on Newegg? I see it on Directron, but backordered till 7/27 (Or is it just NOT out yet? I thought I saw people saying they bought).

Just curious where else do you guys buy from? I like Newegg, but living in NJ I get charged Tax there too, unlike other places.

 

[btdvox]

The premium P5K is the best, it has a better CPU regulation voltage, for cooler clocking

 

[tracerbullet]

Originally posted by: TVisitor
Am I blind or is the E6850 not on Newegg?

I couldn't find it either, and was a bit surprised. MWave has it though, and to me they are just as good as Newegg. If I was going to get the e6850, that's where I'd be going (just jumped on a Q6600 though so I guess "if" doesn't mean a whole lot right now).

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Cheex
As for me, I don't think I'll be getting either of these just yet.

If I had the $266 then it would be a hard decision but if I'm gonna get a new CPU now, then I might go for the E6750 and OC it to ~3.6GHz or more and be happy until the Penryn (45nm) Quads.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: Genison
Why has no one recommended the Abit IP35 Pro board? It's less expensive than the Gigabyte, has all SATA ports available, seems to get the same performance as any of them, and when you look at the reviews it's getting about as many "editor" awards as the Gigabyte. The way I see it, they have been tied in the reviews. I am having a hard time deciding between them, myself.

Specifically, I'm speaking of this thread

http://forums.anandtech.com/me...=2067695&enterthread=y

I just pulled my ip35 pro out of the box. Me likey.

 

[n0nsense]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: n0nsense
Nothing Like 680i with ASUS implementation.
simply select 1750 FSB (438x4) with sync mode. (no voltage or anything else modified)
runs for weeks with serious loads (100%cpu and mem utilization for 3 days (recompiling 3 times whole system) with some graphics tests on background.
waiting to lay my hands on 45nm piece and see how far it will go.

ur kidding me right?

the 680i has to be the most sorriest chipset anyone could own.

Have you even played with a P35 chipset? If your thinkn an ASUS 680i, which is the SORRIEST out of all the 680i chipsets is nice, then your living in a bubble my friend.

EVGA has the most stable quadcore 680i. This is a known fact. The one with the least amount of problems however is the gigabyte. Asus can kiss my butt on the 680i because there extremely late on bios and updates.


As for a TR120 fitting on the gigabyte ur kidding me right?

the 680i has to be the most sorriest chipset anyone could own.

Have you even played with a P35 chipset? If your thinkn an ASUS 680i, which is the SORRIEST out of all the 680i chipsets is nice, then your living in a bubble my friend.

EVGA has the most stable quadcore 680i. This is a known fact. The one with the least amount of problems however is the gigabyte. Asus can kiss my butt on the 680i because there extremely late on bios and updates.


As for a TR120 fitting on the gigabyte P35-DQ6, your best emailing Thermalright and asking them yourself. There pretty sharp and hoenst about compatability. MEaning they wont tell you something will fit when it wont. At most, if there not 100% sure, they will say it wont fit, and give you reasons why it wont.
, your best emailing Thermalright and asking them yourself. There pretty sharp and hoenst about compatability. MEaning they wont tell you something will fit when it wont. At most, if there not 100% sure, they will say it wont fit, and give you reasons why it wont.

may be (and just may be) you right with quads, not with C2D.
The P35 is no improvement over ICH8.
performance is no better then 680 or 965.
a lot of noise about 1333 fsb, but all 600i (even cheap 650) have it almost for year.
the only new thing is DDR3, and it's completely useless now.
tight timings with DDR2 800 perform much better (not in case you use really big and only big cpu-mem transactions)
as for the price, P5N32-E SLI cost less then P35-DQ6

as for gigabyte, i don't like them ...
they die to fast from my experience.

 

[Genison]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995
I just pulled my ip35 pro out of the box. Me likey.

Cool! Post overclocking results when you get a chance . I'm so on the fence now. E6850 seems to overclock so very well and is available, and there's no real proof how high the Q6600's can go. (I did see a link showing some Taiwanese guy had it at 4 Ghz, but someone else said they were Engineering Samples.

 

[bryanW1995]

I wouldn't waste the extra $$ on the e6850 if you're getting the ip35 pro and have decent ram, get the e6750 instead. You'll probably get 3.2 or so on a b3 and 3.4-3.5 on a G0 quad with high end air, should be closer to 4.0 on e6850 or e6750. I almost cheaped out on a 6550, but I didn't want to run my mobo at 7x533 for 12-18mos.

 

[bryanW1995]

Originally posted by: n0nsense

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: n0nsense

may be (and just may be) you right with quads, not with C2D.
The P35 is no improvement over ICH8.
performance is no better then 680 or 965.
a lot of noise about 1333 fsb, but all 600i (even cheap 650) have it almost for year.
the only new thing is DDR3, and it's completely useless now.
tight timings with DDR2 800 perform much better (not in case you use really big and only big cpu-mem transactions)
as for the price, P5N32-E SLI cost less then P35-DQ6

as for gigabyte, i don't like them ...
they die to fast from my experience.

What planet are you from? there are numerous posts on reputable sites (inluding at and toms) showing a significant overclocking advantage on p35 mobos vs 680 and 965. Do you really think that a p5n32-e sli is comparable to a p35 dq6??? Do your research before coming on our forums and talking out of your anus.

 

[kalimero2]

I would like to have an opinion about the new pc i'm buying.
Here are the specs:

THERMALTAKE MOZART TX BLACK (VE1000BWS)
OCZ GAMERXSTREAM 700W
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6850 (3.0GHZ) SKT 775
XFX 8800GTS 640MB DDR3 PCI-E
ASUS BLITZ EXTREME
KINGSTON HYPERX KIT 2X 1GB DDR2 1066MHZ
SEAGATE 500GB SATA II 16MB
PIONEER DVD±R 18X 212 PRETO BULK (SATA)
LOGITECH TECLADO MEDIA
RAZER DEATHADDER
REVOLTEC FAN 80MM DARK BLUE
5*REVOLTEC FAN 120MM DARK BLUE
THERMALRIGHT ULTRA-120 EXTREME HEATSINK

Also i'd like to know if the motherboard i have chosen is a combo DDR2/DDR3 cause the official website isn't very clear about that subject.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: kalimero2
I would like to have an opinion about the new pc i'm buying.
Here are the specs:

THERMALTAKE MOZART TX BLACK (VE1000BWS)
OCZ GAMERXSTREAM 700W
INTEL CORE 2 DUO E6850 (3.0GHZ) SKT 775
XFX 8800GTS 640MB DDR3 PCI-E
ASUS BLITZ EXTREME
KINGSTON HYPERX KIT 2X 1GB DDR2 1066MHZ
SEAGATE 500GB SATA II 16MB
PIONEER DVD±R 18X 212 PRETO BULK (SATA)
LOGITECH TECLADO MEDIA
RAZER DEATHADDER
REVOLTEC FAN 80MM DARK BLUE
5*REVOLTEC FAN 120MM DARK BLUE
THERMALRIGHT ULTRA-120 EXTREME HEATSINK

Also i'd like to know if the motherboard i have chosen is a combo DDR2/DDR3 cause the official website isn't very clear about that subject.

PSU: get a better one. Antec Quattro 850, or even thermaltakes 1000W or 1200W psu's would be a much better choice.

Ram: HyperX blows. Crucial Ballastix or Gskill's using D9 micron's FTW!

Board: Not much i can comment about the Blitz. I hear it has awesome voltage regulators to minimize Vdroop, However i would consider you takign a look at the Gigabyte P35-DQ6. REason is, its still the top board which requires the least Vcore power to hold a stable overclock.

Case: The case is only big, without bling. I would choise a better case, more quieter, but if you really love that case, i cant stop you. Look at TJ-09 or TJ-07. The CM Stacker is also a great case.

Mouse: G5 FTW!!! i absolutely love mine.

Fans: never heard of revolve tech. However for fans, i always recomend yate loons over any fans. There the TOP in price/performance/noise catigory.

Videocard: i <3 EVGA. I love how you dont void warrenty when you replace the stock tops, and there CSR is THE BEST ive delt with so far.

 

[n0nsense]

Originally posted by: bryanW1995

Originally posted by: n0nsense

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: n0nsense

may be (and just may be) you right with quads, not with C2D.
The P35 is no improvement over ICH8.
performance is no better then 680 or 965.
a lot of noise about 1333 fsb, but all 600i (even cheap 650) have it almost for year.
the only new thing is DDR3, and it's completely useless now.
tight timings with DDR2 800 perform much better (not in case you use really big and only big cpu-mem transactions)
as for the price, P5N32-E SLI cost less then P35-DQ6

as for gigabyte, i don't like them ...
they die to fast from my experience.

What planet are you from? there are numerous posts on reputable sites (inluding at and toms) showing a significant overclocking advantage on p35 mobos vs 680 and 965. Do you really think that a p5n32-e sli is comparable to a p35 dq6??? Do your research before coming on our forums and talking out of your anus.

as long as you have /dev/brain=NULL nothing will help you.
i tried one p35 (not dq6) and it was a real shite to WORK on this board.
in my testings, real work done much better on OC 680i up to 500 fsb completely stable.
simple compare in tasks shows that it did more (not much, but still) in less time.
i don't mean to insult some ones opinions, and my conclusions related to my stuff.
I did the test only because no review did compilations tests and this task is performed daily on my computer. the reason that my OC settings now is 1600 fsb with sync mode (mem at 800 4-4-3-5 1T) is because it does not need any voltage or other modifications. without turning off any of useful features like EIST or VT without any significant performance lost. try to see not only cpu freq at the end, but real machine for everyday use. one that you not going to reboot for a long time (3-4-5-6 month). as you may noticed, I don't use insulting to a operating system from MS, but it can serve many other people much better then anything else.
P.S.
I can show you test comparing 965 p35 and 680i where is all task performed equally (1% does not mean anything) where this 1% advantage where distributed equally between nvidia and intel. no OC tests where performed there.

 

[Genison]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Board: Not much i can comment about the Blitz. I hear it has awesome voltage regulators to minimize Vdroop, However i would consider you takign a look at the Gigabyte P35-DQ6. REason is, its still the top board which requires the least Vcore power to hold a stable overclock.

/q]

Hey, can you tell me where you got that information? I was almost about to go with an Abit P35 board before I read that. The only thing that's really scaring me away from the Gigabyte board is the heatsinks. I don't know if my Thermaltake V1 will fit.

Thanks

 

[bryanW1995]

yeah, I looked at a dq6. They're clearly better than the ip35 pro, I was just too cheap to spend the extra $40 because I didn't think they were 20+ % better.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Genison

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Board: Not much i can comment about the Blitz. I hear it has awesome voltage regulators to minimize Vdroop, However i would consider you takign a look at the Gigabyte P35-DQ6. REason is, its still the top board which requires the least Vcore power to hold a stable overclock.

/q]

Hey, can you tell me where you got that information? I was almost about to go with an Abit P35 board before I read that. The only thing that's really scaring me away from the Gigabyte board is the heatsinks. I don't know if my Thermaltake V1 will fit.

Thanks

http://www.xtremesystems.org/f...t=150400&highlight=P35

 

[Genison]

I made a decision!!! Man, has this been eating my lunch for the past several days. I decided to go with an E6850. Here's the conclusion I came to:

Look at the benchmarks on Tom's article http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/07/16/cpu_charts_2007/

1. If you take down the score of the E6850 compared to the Q6600 at stock speeds, add it up and you'll see that in everything that isn't heavily dependent on Quad cores, the E6850 is a good 13-20% faster.

2. On those areas where Quad is better, the Q6600 will overtake the E6850 by a small margin. This is an exception in some areas like encoding and what not, but I really don't mind waiting a few more minutes for encoding to finish. Realistically, it's just time.

3. Now, keeping in mind the 600 Mhz difference between the two, overclocking is probably going to be about the same difference. Top speeds of an E6850 seem to be at 4 GHz possibly, 3.8 GHz being very likely. Top speed of a Q6600 on air is probably going to top out at 3.4...maybe 3.6 Ghz? As far as games go, you're talking no more than 10% gain between the two overclocked chips on the games that profess to use Quads effectively.

4. Finally, let's be honest. If I'm mostly interested in games, Crysis is the first I've heard that will use quad cores with a real difference. By that time, if a quad makes that much difference, finding a G0 at $250 is very likely and the difference of selling a used E6850 and buying an "older" G0 Q6600 is probably very negligible. I'm willing to have fun with more speed now and possibly pay another $50-$75 on top for the boost when it will really make a difference.

5. Oh yes...Penryn. Do I really want a faux quad chip or one that's really designed from the ground up as one? In a year or less, prices for a Penryn will reflect what we're seeing today for quads. By then, multi-core games will be much more prevalent.


HA! I broke the code on my own analytical indecision!!

Oh, and I just bought an E6850 from Mwave for $302 after shipping. Poo on you Newegg.

 

[bryanW1995]

not trying to bust your bubble, but with that memory/mobo combo you will probably end up at the same oc using the e6750 and save $100 while you're at it. it's not too late to cancel...you can send me a $50 chili's gift certificate and pocket the extra savings

 

[idiotekniQues]

stupid question, but if upgrading from a core2 e6400 to a quad core Q6600 will it be best to reinstall windows from scratch?

im thinking no, but wanting feedback.