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KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: VIAN
You can buy Episode 1 at retailers. It exists as a standalone, so you don't need HL2 installed to play it. You can also order it from Steam with a credit card.

Well you learn something new everyday...I guess I'll finish HL2, then get Ep1, then play Lost Coast.

Thanks for the info :thumbsup:
 

VIAN

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Lost Coast is a really short, maybe 5 min, tech demo. It doesn't contain or continue any story. I don't know if you're saving it for later because of story or something. Plus, I don't think you'll be impressed with it after playing Episode 2.

In January, Episode 2 will be released. Hopefully in that same year, Episode 3 will also be released.
 

KeithTalent

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Lost Coast is a really short, maybe 5 min, tech demo. It doesn't contain or continue any story. I don't know if you're saving it for later because of story or something. Plus, I don't think you'll be impressed with it after playing Episode 2.

In January, Episode 2 will be released. Hopefully in that same year, Episode 3 will also be released.

Yeah I just assumed LC was a continuation of HL2 so I was saving it.

Oh well, at least I have this Ep1 to look forward to now.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: VIAN
Originally posted by: Mem
I personally think it's very underrated.


I found it boring,gameplay is the key to any game not graphics,with Quake 4 I found it more enjoyable and fun,I felt part of a team,in Doom 3 it was hmm dark and boring,I could get that watching paint dry in the dark ; .

Gameplay is defined as how much fun the game is to play, which includes the feel the all the elements in the game put together. Basically the only real score that matters when reviews rate graphics, sound, etc. It is not, how you play the game, as it is commonly known. This is always a little too simple and is very repetetive. The only thing different from Doom3 and Quake4 in that area is that instead of shooting 1 person per room, you shoot more than 1 person per room, respectively. Everything else is not considered how to play the game. I would say that fact that you have a team, belongs to the graphics category. The point here is that Doom3 is not all about graphics, it's about atmosphere and how it contributes to gameplay.

Anyway, Doom3 stands out for me because of the story, atmosphere, and environments/enemies. Doom3 had plenty to keep me focused on. I took each step carefully and never knew what to expect on the otherside of the next door. And I really enjoyed the PDAs. I started to get a bit fatigued from the game during the last few hours, but it was nothing compared to Quake4.

Quake4 had much more action and may have been more fun to play since it was more fast paced, but the story started to lose it's drive after about halfway through the game. Then with nothing else covering the fact that you just kept entering rooms and killing a bunch of people, the game became repetitive and boring. And I spent a while longing for it to end. Hence, why I consider Doom3 a better game.

that's EXACTLY how i felt about D3 . . . you just kept entering rooms and killing a bunch of monsters, the game became repetitive and boring.

at least Q4 had teamplay and team goals . . . . all you had in D3 was endless monster spawning BEHIND you in completely dark rooms . . . with no light AND gun combination without a cheat . . . ridiculous

and that AWFUL pda just had the ability to 'jar' you out of immersion with another ridiculous message . . . an awful ripoff of SS2.

Not to mention the ridiculously UNbalanced Soul Cube that just needed 6 souls for endless ammo to EASILY destroy the strongest Boss.

and how the hell can you say D3 has a better "story"? . . . Monsters from Hell spawn on Mars . . . kill them
:thumbsdown:


i really liked HL2 but Ep1 was disappointing . . . glad i got it for $8.99 - not $20
 

JEDIYoda

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Originally posted by: Tequila
Quake4 -> dull
Doom3 -> dull
UT2004 -> dull

These games are the same old thing rehashed every generation with the same retarded weapons with better graphics. I simply cannot stand the idiotic weapons in these games and it's the reason why BF and BF2 rule over them.

Then you have your everyday one in a crowd person.

Probably playing Donkey Kong still huh??
 

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Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Tequila
Quake4 -> dull
Doom3 -> dull
UT2004 -> dull

These games are the same old thing rehashed every generation with the same retarded weapons with better graphics. I simply cannot stand the idiotic weapons in these games and it's the reason why BF and BF2 rule over them.

Then you have your everyday one in a crowd person.

Probably playing Donkey Kong still huh??

I'm guessing he doesn't like those games because they favor weapons that are futuristic/arcade rather than realistic. Some people are really serious about this stuff and lean towards BF2/Tom Clancy/counter strike "sim" like behavior from their FPSes.

After all nothing is more realistic that being able to die from brushing against a moving Humvee then magically respawn back to life (like Jesus did!) and jump into a helicopter that has four controls instead of 300 and is able to fly with no regard to the laws of aerodynamics.

Of course the realistic tactics used by the fellow members of your military like spawn camping a 30 million dollar jet aircraft that magically appears out of thin air once every few minutes can't be disregarded either.

I don't know about you but I can truly run at a full sprint endlessly without rest carrying a complete arsenal of weapons magically (again) stuffed into my backpack and never get out of breath or have to stop. I want my games to simulate this realism as well.


You guys that play "games" are just dumb and don't get it.
 

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Originally posted by: Smilin
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: Tequila
Quake4 -> dull
Doom3 -> dull
UT2004 -> dull

These games are the same old thing rehashed every generation with the same retarded weapons with better graphics. I simply cannot stand the idiotic weapons in these games and it's the reason why BF and BF2 rule over them.

Then you have your everyday one in a crowd person.

Probably playing Donkey Kong still huh??

I'm guessing he doesn't like those games because they favor weapons that are futuristic/arcade rather than realistic. Some people are really serious about this stuff and lean towards BF2/Tom Clancy/counter strike "sim" like behavior from their FPSes.

After all nothing is more realistic that being able to die from brushing against a moving Humvee then magically respawn back to life (like Jesus did!) and jump into a helicopter that has four controls instead of 300 and is able to fly with no regard to the laws of aerodynamics.

Of course the realistic tactics used by the fellow members of your military like spawn camping a 30 million dollar jet aircraft that magically appears out of thin air once every few minutes can't be disregarded either.

I don't know about you but I can truly run at a full sprint endlessly without rest carrying a complete arsenal of weapons magically (again) stuffed into my backpack and never get out of breath or have to stop. I want my games to simulate this realism as well.


You guys that play "games" are just dumb and don't get it.


Haha, great post :thumbsup:
 

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Sorry for bumping, but I just recenlty got this game as well and love it!

Boy can it bog a system down though if everything is turned on!!

If I've got the equivalent to an FX-62, would I see any major increases when gaming at "High Quality" with 16xHQAF/4xAA/24-bit Z buffer/Triple Buffering+Vsync @ 1680x1050 by moving to Conroe? Just how badly does the CPU effect this game's multi-threading?
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: josh6079
Sorry for bumping, but I just recenlty got this game as well and love it!

Boy can it bog a system down though if everything is turned on!!

If I've got the equivalent to an FX-62, would I see any major increases when gaming at "High Quality" with 16xHQAF/4xAA/24-bit Z buffer/Triple Buffering+Vsync @ 1680x1050 by moving to Conroe? Just how badly does the CPU effect this game's multi-threading?

i doubt that you will see 'much' . . . i believe Hi/Ultra quality depends on your videocard.
 

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Originally posted by: Tequila
Quake4 -> dull
Doom3 -> dull
UT2004 -> dull

These games are the same old thing rehashed every generation with the same retarded weapons with better graphics. I simply cannot stand the idiotic weapons in these games and it's the reason why BF and BF2 rule over them.

What?!?! Now BF2 is a direct rehash of every other WWII shooter, it's just a little more modern.

At least with UT'04 there are some very nice modes that make it different then the others.

 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: josh6079
Sorry for bumping, but I just recenlty got this game as well and love it!

Boy can it bog a system down though if everything is turned on!!

If I've got the equivalent to an FX-62, would I see any major increases when gaming at "High Quality" with 16xHQAF/4xAA/24-bit Z buffer/Triple Buffering+Vsync @ 1680x1050 by moving to Conroe? Just how badly does the CPU effect this game's multi-threading?

I had some major issues when enabling SMP support in Q4. Had to leave it off. Single CPU core only for me ... not that it makes a difference. I'm 16x12 with maxed (as you described) and I stay pegged at the rev limiter (60fps) even on only one core.

To get an idea of how a faster CPU would help you, do this... keep full settings on but set your res to 640x480. Whatever framerate you pull there is indicative of what your CPU is capable of. As you increase your resolution the framerate drop you see will be due to your graphics card feeling the load.
 

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I'm enjoying PREY more than both of these right now. I'm only 3 hours in and supposedly the gameplay gets a little stale but there's enough innovations to keep it new and a generally solid game.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: marmasatt

I'm enjoying PREY more than both of these right now. I'm only 3 hours in and supposedly the gameplay gets a little stale but there's enough innovations to keep it new and a generally solid game.

i have been waiting for a decent price drop on Prey . .. until then, i am finishing up Gun and may explore Darwinia again before Gothic3 arrives . . .
 

Smilin

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: marmasatt

I'm enjoying PREY more than both of these right now. I'm only 3 hours in and supposedly the gameplay gets a little stale but there's enough innovations to keep it new and a generally solid game.

i have been waiting for a decent price drop on Prey . .. until then, i am finishing up Gun and may explore Darwinia again before Gothic3 arrives . . .

Darwinia rocks.

The demo is fun too - although completely unlike any level in the actual game ...goofy way to demo something I think. I can't wait until introversion releases defcon !!
 

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I'd play Counter-Strike over any of those games. But as to the topic, Quake 4 bored me but not nearly as much as doom. Prey I had hopes for, but I was disappointed when I realized there weren't going to be any other supernatural abilities(once they make you think there would be). Half-Life has a much better story, and I like the Urban Warfare feel of it.
 

BrokenVisage

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: marmasatt

I'm enjoying PREY more than both of these right now. I'm only 3 hours in and supposedly the gameplay gets a little stale but there's enough innovations to keep it new and a generally solid game.

i have been waiting for a decent price drop on Prey . .. until then, i am finishing up Gun and may explore Darwinia again before Gothic3 arrives . . .

apoppin... GET PREY NOW! I started playing it in the middle of my second run at beating Q4 and couldn't take my eyes away from it. It really is one of those jaw-dropping games that deserves a little more attention then it got when it came out. Graphics, story, weapons, protagonist, environment, and music are all spectacular in my opinion, the only gribe I had was with some of the enemies and their AI, but it wasn't as bad as time went on (especially on Cherokee mode).

I'm a huge Quake fan and have devoted 1000+ hours of gameplay total between all 4 games, but Prey takes the cake over them all.. especially over Doom 3. Also, Prey seems to run smoother AND look better then Q4 at the same time with settings maxed @ 1680x1050.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: marmasatt

I'm enjoying PREY more than both of these right now. I'm only 3 hours in and supposedly the gameplay gets a little stale but there's enough innovations to keep it new and a generally solid game.

i have been waiting for a decent price drop on Prey . .. until then, i am finishing up Gun and may explore Darwinia again before Gothic3 arrives . . .

apoppin... GET PREY NOW! I started playing it in the middle of my second run at beating Q4 and couldn't take my eyes away from it. It really is one of those jaw-dropping games that deserves a little more attention then it got when it came out. Graphics, story, weapons, protagonist, environment, and music are all spectacular in my opinion, the only gribe I had was with some of the enemies and their AI, but it wasn't as bad as time went on (especially on Cherokee mode).

I'm a huge Quake fan and have devoted 1000+ hours of gameplay total between all 4 games, but Prey takes the cake over them all.. especially over Doom 3. Also, Prey seems to run smoother AND look better then Q4 at the same time with settings maxed @ 1680x1050.

as soon as that sucker hits bargain bin, i am all over it
. . . it seems it has been out a long time and still isn't generally discounted

Right now, i am playing Gun . . . kinda silly and somewhat boring . . . i am 'playing' it but am not "drawn in" . . . that'll probably hold me till Gothic3 and then Prey should hopefully be bargain bin.

kinda wish there was an expansion pack for Q4 . . .
 

gorcorps

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Much, much better than doom3. Pretty fun, fast, challenging in some parts. A little boring, but they give you new toys at the right moments . Plus my x850pro makes it really smooth compared to my 9800pro.
 
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