Discussion Qualcomm Snapdragon Thread

[FlameTail]

When will X Elite G2 release?

 

[FlameTail]

Linus bas finally done their livestream:

"I'll play any game you ask on Snapdragon X"

 

[FlameTail]

What's the best point of the year, to release a new PC SoC?

Mid year/around Computex?

That way you can leverage the fact that higher sales volume is higher during the 2nd half of an year, which is due to the various stuff such as back-to-school, holiday seasons, black friday etc...

 

[soresu]

They are aggressively ruining Windows regardless if it runs on x64 or ARM.

They have been aggressively ruining it since Vista.

If they just left things alone after Windows 7 and concentrated on optimisation rather than constantly changing the UI simply for the sake of it the whole OS would be slick as a newly waxed floor by now.

They just can't understand when they have a good thing going and leave it be.

 

[igor_kavinski]

They just can't understand when they have a good thing going and leave it be.

They have Linux and MacOS devs in their midst who do Win64 development as their day job at Microsoft and hobbyist development on the other platforms at night and they are contaminating Windows!

 

[soresu]

They have Linux and MacOS devs in their midst who do Win64 development as their day job at Microsoft and hobbyist development on the other platforms at night and they are contaminating Windows!

It would be easy to blame it on devs, but it's the bean counters at the top of the pyramid responsible for these bone headed moves.

For all I love to Apple hate they at least had a stable plan with Mac OSX for years and years, and I imagine that their software partners are in no small way thankful for it (if equally annoyed at the ISA change twice in 20 years).

IMHO MS are victims of their earlier success and absolute dominance - now they can't figure out how to be competitive when Apple, Google (Chrome) and perhaps even Linux are starting to bite at their bottom line.

I don't think that Windows will go under by any means, but they are going to lose their strangehold on the market.

There's too little low hanging fruit left to make an attractive DirectX upgrade to sell any new Windows to gamers - and some features added (like mesh shaders) seem to be taking forever to see use.

MS going exclusive with QC for earlier WoA devices did not help them either.

 

[coercitiv]

concentrated on optimisation rather than constantly changing the UI

Why would I want to change system settings from that ancient Control Panel when I can:

• have a new & slick looking Settings App that looks nice and is easy to use
• be forced to still use Control Panel for the myriad of settings the Settings?! App cannot change even after many years of development

 

[soresu]

Why would I want to change system settings from that ancient Control Panel when I can:

• have a new & slick looking Settings App that looks nice and is easy to use
• be forced to still use Control Panel for the myriad of settings the Settings?! App cannot change even after many years of development

Lol ye, I've got that 'God Mode' control panel folder on my desktop since Windows 10.

As you say It's not just that they keep changing stuff, they don't actually follow through and cover all the bases when they do so.

 

[Gideon]

Lengthy video by Wendell discussing "what when wrong this time for Windows ARM".

Wendell describes the problems pretty well in the long video.

It's the higherups that get their bonuses based on how some metrics go up in a dashboard. That's why we are getting:

• Start menu doing a Bing search every time you open it
• Edge being opened up after an install with chrome synced and all your tabs open (despite even totally uninstalling it previously)
• etc ...

Obviously the other problem is endlessly chasing the "next big thing" to leave those features half-baked in the os and go on to chase the next thing.

For Windows 8 it was the table UI / tiles stuff. For Windows 10 substantial resources were poured into VR stuff that was totally neglected in a while. Now It's AI. just watch this video (go on watch 30 seconds of the timestamped part of this video):

Linus Tech Tips finally dropped a post-launch video on Snapdragon X laptops:

And now back to Wendell's video (timestamped). How MS engineers are burning out to get those AI features out on Snapdragon X only and how useless they are in the near future. And god knows when AMD's and Intel's NPUs will be supported (no plans for now).

 

[Tup3x]

Start menu doing a Bing search every time you open it

It's possible now to disable web content in searches.

 

[soresu]

Too bad Khronos won't get their posteriors in gear and announce a new profile for Vulkan that comprehensively covers all the hardware features in DXR and DX12 Ultimate.

They are massively overdue on this.

 

[The Hardcard]

I do not contend that AI will go away, only that the overhype of it simply to sell more computers with product offerings of dubious value to the consumer is likely to come crashing down at some point.

It is will be an ugly reality that turns hardware into a subscription service. As new algorithms create breakthroughs that tempt people to adopt AI capabilities, they will more frequently confront desiring actions their current recently bought hardware can’t handle. Like Apple Intelligence, which can’t run on that iPhone 14 Pro Max you bought on launch day less than two years ago.

There’s going to be some big breakthrough in AI capabilities in 2025 that be available in 2026. It will excite sections of the population having 2024 AI notebooks without enough TOPS to run it. 50 TOPS won’t be enough. Oh, but you can buy a 2026 notebook with the needed 250 TOPS.

 

[soresu]

Noice....

FEX 2407 Emulator For x86_64 Binaries On ARM Now Handles AVX/AVX2 - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

 

[poke01]

Noice....

FEX 2407 Emulator For x86_64 Binaries On ARM Now Handles AVX/AVX2 - Phoronix

www.phoronix.com

Windows on ARM is the only OS without AVX support. When macOS and Linux added in the last month.

Like Apple Intelligence, which can’t run on that iPhone 14 Pro Max you bought on launch day less than two years ago.

But the M1 device you brought 4 years runs AI. It just requires 8GB RAM to run. Thats what Apple gets for skimping out on RAM, less users using AI.

 

[soresu]

When macOS and Linux added in the last month.

I assume you mean that Rosetta2 also added it.

I'm surprised thye bothered given most significant x86 Mac software is already ported or on the way to being so.

 

[Kepler_L2]

The Snapdragon X Elite’s Adreno iGPU

Qualcomm is no stranger to integrated graphics. Their Adreno GPU line has served through many generations of Snapdragon cell phone SoCs. But Qualcomm was never content to stay within the cell phone…

chipsandcheese.com

 

[poke01]

I assume you mean that Rosetta2 also added it.

I'm surprised thye bothered given most significant x86 Mac software is already ported or on the way to being so.

It’s for their game tool kit. Apple’s been pushing formal and informal ways of playing PC games on Mac.

 

[FlameTail]

There’s going to be some big breakthrough in AI capabilities in 2025 that be available in 2026. It will excite sections of the population having 2024 AI notebooks without enough TOPS to run it. 50 TOPS won’t be enough. Oh, but you can buy a 2026 notebook with the needed 250 TOPS

WHAT.

Isn't the rumoured minimum TOPS requirment for next generation of Copilot PCs ~100 TOPS?

 

[FlameTail]

Windows on ARM is the only OS without AVX support. When macOS and Linux added in the last month.

When will they add it to WoA?

 

[poke01]

When will they add it to WoA?

It’s up to Microsoft, hopefully soon

 

[DavidC1]

Why would I want to change system settings from that ancient Control Panel when I can:

• have a new & slick looking Settings App that looks nice and is easy to use
• be forced to still use Control Panel for the myriad of settings the Settings?! App cannot change even after many years of development

Ugh, as funny as that post is, MS's shenanigans makes me switch back to Ubuntu.

Windows 7 was the last sane OS. Neither 8/8.1/10/11 did much to change it. Either they have an ulterior motive or they just don't get their customer base. Unlike Intel they are bigger than ever in terms of marketshare so why should they care?

 

[The Hardcard]

WHAT.

Isn't the rumoured minimum TOPS requirment for next generation of Copilot PCs ~100 TOPS?

It wasn’t a specific claim, more just figures spit out to make the point.

 

[Det0x]

Dont know if it already have been posted, allegedly aida memory for snapdragon x

 

[Kepler_L2]

Dont know if it already have been posted, allegedly aida memory for snapdragon x
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9ns memory latency? Seems legit.

 

[FlameTail]

Magic LPDDR!