Indeed, this is why Snapdragon X Elite identifies itself as 8P+4E in software such as Geekbench.That's interesting. Gerard Williams of Qualcomm is on stage at Hot Chips and says the Oryon CPU inside the Snapdragon X Elite has three clusters of cores (we knew this) but says one cluster is "operated in an efficient manner" and the other two are "fully performant."
That's true lol. You know Intel has a problem when there "E-cores" pull more than 10W.Qualcomm PR says that Williams "misspoke in the moment."
"As you know, our performance cores are more efficient than many efficiency cores from the competition; as we scale performance on our cores, we optimize greatly for power efficiency as well
There's some new slides here which Qualcomm didn't reveal during their first Snapdragon X architecture disclosure.Chips&Cheese coverage of Hot Chips 2024's Qualcomm Oryon presentation!
Hot Chips 2024: Qualcomm’s Oryon Core
Today, Qualcomm is presenting on their Oryon core.chipsandcheese.com
That's the impressive thing about Qualcomm (and Apple's) cache hierarchy. It also eliminates the need for an L3.I think Qualcomm’s characterization of the L2 cache is accurate. Intel’s E-Cores also share a L2 across a quad core cluster, but use 2 to 4 MB of L2 for the whole cluster. Oryon’s L2 is high capacity in that respect. Crestmont cores in Meteor Lake also have 20 cycle latency to L2, making Oryon’s L2 quite impressive. It has 3-6 times as much capacity, yet maintains the same cycle time latency while being able to clock higher
That's true lol. You know Intel has a problem when there "E-cores" pull more than 10W.
It is for Lunarlake. They just used it to try to beat the competition at all costs, that's why it runs at an inefficient range.The "efficiency" Intel is seeking with their E cores isn't the power efficiency Apple seeks for its E cores. Intel is seeking area efficiency to drive MT throughput with theirs. Different goals, different power profile.
What are standard prefetchers and proprietary prefetchers?Prefetching plays a major role in any remotely modern core. Oryon especially emphasizes prefetching, with a variety of both standard and proprietary prefetchers
Intel used to be absolute leaders in memory hierarchy with the densest, lowest latency caches and fast memory controllers supporting the latest standards.That's the impressive thing about Qualcomm (and Apple's) cache hierarchy. It also eliminates the need for an L3.
It's literally the old pre-Nehalem Intel stuff (the defining part of IDC designs was that fat shared L2! Dothan had like 1M of L2 which for the time was hueg).That's the impressive thing about Qualcomm (and Apple's) cache hierarchy
Finally is a bit harsh given it's a pretty sizable suite of software to port.Davinci Resolve finally arrives to Windows On ARM
I think Qualcomm needs a better iGPU if want this platform to used by pros.Finally is a bit harsh given it's a pretty sizable suite of software to port.
It's a video editor, a color grader, a sound editor, a compositor and can handle plenty of animation style stuff.
Essentially it's equivalent to multiple different Adobe suites in one.
Unfortunately the technical debt owed to combining all that functionality together and adding more and more features does mean it's typically been pretty unstable.
Interesting how PC World couches the release:
Windows on Arm's strongest selling point finally ships
Blackmagic has begun shipping DaVinci Resolve 19, which includes support for Windows on Arm for the first time.www.pcworld.com
I wonder if it going native first will eat a chunk of Adobe's business.
And in that respect, I think Nvidia will eat Qualcomm's lunch.I think Qualcomm needs a better iGPU if want this platform to used by pros.
Resolve uses the GPU a lot.
Nvidia ARM SoC will be much more desirable than Snapdragon SoCs for gamers and professionals alike, thanks to:
Nvidia GPU Architecture + Nvidia GPU Drivers
Definitely, Nvidia will be big threat to Qualcomm if they launch next year.And in that respect, I think Nvidia will eat Qualcomm's lunch.
And Qualcomm will have nothing to fight back with, because Snapdragon X2 isn't coming until 2026H1!Definitely, Nvidia will be big threat to Qualcomm if they launch next year.
And that's a market that Snapdragon X seems to be great for even now.IMHO the greatest benefit for WoA will be the casual use market for browsing and general office use.
Why wait for Mediatek?Once cheaper SoC SKUs from Mediatek are out on the market it will boost market share a lot.
"As little as $700" is not going to fly for a lot of people.Why wait for Mediatek?
This is just myth though, for years now Qualcomm is producing better and competitive low end soc while Mediatek is recycling old tech, in lowend Mtk still using A75 and A76 while Qualcomm at minimum you get cortex A78 even in sub $100 phones."As little as $700" is not going to fly for a lot of people.
Qualcomm are greedy bugs and always have been.
This was exactly my concern over their attempts to take significant market share.
Even their lower end SoCs are expensive.
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.This is just myth though, for years now Qualcomm is producing better and competitive low end soc while Mediatek is recycling old tech, in lowend Mtk still using A75 and A76 while Qualcomm at minimum you get cortex A78 even in sub $100 phones.
In midrange Qualcomm is using only new cores, 7s gen 3 has A720, 8s gen 3 has both X4 and A720 same to 7+ gen 3. What does mtk have? Nothing to compete at best you get A715 which isn't much better than A78, heck mtk has some soc with just 2 big cores like Dimensity 7200 competing in $300 price point.
Perfect timing for Qualcomm to jump from the Cortex ship to the Oryon ship!I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I'm not.
I think that ARM have gone nuts on licensing costs for post v8-A cores.
Yesn't.Perfect timing for Qualcomm to jump from the Cortex ship to the Oryon ship!
Snapdragon mobiles will finally be able to run Win32 software!Perfect timing for Qualcomm to jump from the Cortex ship to the Oryon ship!