Oryon v3 is their next chance. Got some time to make it count!
Of course then it’s going up against M6/A20.
Oryon v3 is their next chance. Got some time to make it count!ARM standard core is further behind that it may seem at first glance, because, while the performance and efficiency difference is small (in favor of Oryon), there is a decent difference in area, Oryon V2 is quite a bit smaller.
So we have two factors that lead me to believe Qualcomm will be ahead:
-Good difference in area, there is much more potential to be realized by Qualcomm there
-Qualcomm has really good talented Apple engineers with the Nuvia team.
In fact, Apple P core is like 40% larger or so than Oryon V2, depending on which source I've checked. It wouldn't surprise me if Qualcomm catches Apple in single core in not much time.
M5/A19Oryon v3 is their next chance. Got some time to make it count!
Of course then it’s going up against M6/A20.
Maybe. But the leaked Dell chart has it posted in late 2027. So that’s what I’ve used; maybe their (and the other OEMs) cadence is just slower for laptops.M5/A19
You have to understand that Oryon and Snapdragon X roadmaps are different.Maybe. But the leaked Dell chart has it posted in late 2027. So that’s what I’ve used; maybe their (and the other OEMs) cadence is just slower for laptops.
But even if so (or is just in phones), it should be interesting to see how it plays out.
| Oryon CPU | Cores | Products |
| Gen 1 | Phoenix | X Elite |
| Gen 2 | Phoenix-L Phoenix-M | 8 Elite Ride Elite Cockpit Elite |
| Gen 3 | Pegasus-L Pegasus-M | 8 Elite G2 X Elite G2 |
| Snapdragon X Elite G1 | Snapdragon X Elite G2 | |
| CPU | Oryon Gen 1 | Oryon Gen 3 |
| Announcement Date | Snapdragon Summit 2023 (October 2023) | Snapdragon Summit 2025 (October 2025) |
| Release Date | June 2024 | January 2026 (?) |
Well, that's one aspect where Adreno 8 matches Battlemage.Unreal Engine 5 Nanite didn't work on Arc Alchemist iirc.
Does Arc Battlemage fix this?
How do you even define that? FL12_2 support?If so, Adreno 8 must be around Pascal/Turing level
Alchemist can run UE5 just "fine". It's slower than Battlemage because it doesn't natively support execute indirect for example.Well, that's one aspect where Adreno 8 matches Battlemage.
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For the Snapdragon 8 Elite's Adreno 830 GPU, Qualcomm explicitly declares support for Unreal Engine 5 and it's features such as Nanite and Chaos.
Seems like Adreno 8 might be a decent GPU architecture for PCs. The Snapdragon X Elite Gen 2, which will debut next year, will use it.
The Snapdragon X Elite’s Adreno iGPU
Qualcomm is no stranger to integrated graphics.chipsandcheese.com
Adreno 7 was comparable to Nvidia Maxwell.
Maxwell -> Pascal -> Turing -> Ampere -> Ada Lovelace -> Blackwell
If so, Adreno 8 must be around Pascal/Turing level.
No it needs a special UE5 branch because ACM can't into int64 atomics.Alchemist can run UE5 just "fine".
Ah, yeah. That was it indeed. Pretty big oversight.No it needs a special UE5 branch because ACM can't into int64 atomics.
- UE5 needs Execute Indirect.Alchemist can run UE5 just "fine". It's slower than Battlemage because it doesn't natively support execute indirect for example.
Support for certain API extensions is also possible through software rather than µArch.- UE5 needs Execute Indirect.
- Adreno 8 supports UE5
- Therefore, Adreno 8 has Execute Indirect?
I hope for everybody’s sake there is. The clock is ticking!The ARM vs Qualcomm Trial starts on Monday (Jury Selection was today). Will we see a settlement over the weekend? I think the Apple vs Qualcomm had its settlement the morning of the trial.
How long will this trial take? Will it be done in a few days or drag out over years?The ARM vs Qualcomm Trial starts on Monday (Jury Selection was today). Will we see a settlement over the weekend? I think the Apple vs Qualcomm had its settlement the morning of the trial.
It's a five day trial (Monday to Friday). I am not sure if Jury deliberations will be postponed till after the Holiday or not. If they are not, I would expect the Jury deliberations to be very quick.How long will this trial take? Will it be done in a few days or drag out over years?
8750AB's GPU clock speed in retail devices is 1100 MHz, which is 50 MHz lower than the leaked number. So that implies that 8750AC will also be 50 MHz lower, making it 1200 MHz.Rumors for 8 Gen 4 Clock Frequency: Meeco
Not sure if I have seen the GPU Clock yet.
CPU Clock GPU Clock 8650AB (Snapdragon 8 Gen 3) 3.3 GHz 903 MHz 8650AC (Snapdragon 8 Gen 3 FG) 3.4 GHz 1000 MHz 8750AB (Snapdragon 8 Gen 4) 4.37 GHz 1150 MHz 8750AC (Snapdragon 8 Gen 4 FG) 4.47 GHz 1250 MHz
Intel’s new CEO throwing shade at QC over their high Windows laptops return rate.
"I mean, if you look at the return rate for Arm PCs, you go talk to any retailer, their number one concern is 'I get a large percentage of these back,' because you go to set them up and the things that we just expect do not work, right,"
I hope for everybody’s sake there is. The clock is ticking!
LmaoBut if they settle what will I do with this huge bag of popcorn I made?
Put on some movies and eat it all. It’s low carbs. You’ll be fine. Just be sure to drink water to stay hydrated.But if they settle what will I do with this huge bag of popcorn I made?
Feed the cornless.But if they settle what will I do with this huge bag of popcorn I made?
Qualcomm plans to support Mesh Nodes and Work Graphs in a future Adreno architecture.Qualcomm: Future support is planned.