They didn't make a cut down part of the 8 Gen 2. That was a 120 mm² SoC.
Purwa should be somewhere about size.
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They didn't make a cut down part of the 8 Gen 2. That was a 120 mm² SoC.If Purwa is a separate, 4+4 die, I would be very surprised if QCOM achieved perfect yields or didn't had a binned SKU. 6C is still a perfectly valid option for low-end. Specially when competition (Intel) sells 2P + 4E. 6P would be a literal erase on Intel offerings.
Sounds like Google is abusing their YouTube monopoly to give themselves an unfair advantage in the phone market... "Hey look, our midrange phone plays YouTube super smoothly!"A recent news story came out that Google is going to be forcing Youtube AV1 playback on all Android phones, including the ones which don't have hardware accelerated AV1 decoding.
Those phones will have to software decode AV1 using the CPU, which would take a hit to battery life and performance of the device.
Now, a group of people are mad at Qualcomm (rightly so, arguably) due to the fact that Qualcomm is gatekeepers AV1 support for their non-flagship SoCs.
The Snapdragon 8 Gen 2, 8s Gen 3 and 8 Gen are the only chips with AV1 decode. Not even the recently released Snapdragon 7 Gen 3 has AV1 decode. Even egregious- the Snapdragon 7+ Gen 3 (which is cut of the same die as the 7s Gen 3), does not have AV1 decode, which clearly shows Qualcomm is artificially withholding support for AV1.
In contrast, Mediatek's midrange Dimensity 8000 series chips have AV1 decode, and so do all of Google's Tensor chips (which are used in the midrange Pixel A series phones). The Exynos 2100 and Exynos 2200 also had AV1 decode, whereas their Snapdragon counterparts, the 888 and 8 Gen 1 do not, in a rare W for Exynos
It is advantageous for them, becuase by switching to AV1 and ditching other codes, they can cut down on their server network bandwidth.Sounds like Google is abusing their YouTube monopoly to give themselves an unfair advantage in the phone market... "Hey look, our midrange phone plays YouTube super smoothly!"
But then, what on earth is X Pro !??So our headcanon is this:
12 cores = Snapdragon X Elite
10 cores = Snapdragon X Plus
8 cores = Snapdragon X
X Elite and X Plus is from Hamoa die. X is from Purwa die
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Or they want Surface to go places and maybe sell in more substantial numbers?Surface using Snap X Plus, not Elite?
Snap X Elite too expensive for MS😅
Snapdragon SoC's only just started supporting AV1 in its ASIC decoder block as of SD8 Gen3, so support for it is by no means at a critical mass in the hands of the public.It is advantageous for them, becuase by switching to AV1 and ditching other codes, they can cut down on their server network bandwidth.
No, gen 2 also supports it.Snapdragon SoC's only just started supporting AV1 in its ASIC decoder block as of SD8 Gen3, so support for it is by no means at a critical mass in the hands of the public.
Pretty sure we will have both X Plus and X Elite options.Surface using Snap X Plus, not Elite?
Snap X Elite too expensive for MS😅
I reckon the Surface Pro 10 and Surface Laptop 6, will use the Snapdragon X Elite and Snapdragon X Plus.So our headcanon is this:
12 cores = Snapdragon X Elite
10 cores = Snapdragon X Plus
8 cores = Snapdragon X
X Elite and X Plus is from Hamoa die. X is from Purwa die
Snapdragon SoC's only just started supporting AV1 in its ASIC decoder block as of SD8 Gen3, so support for it is by no means at a critical mass in the hands of the public.
This will affect Snapdragon users significantly, because other than the 8 Gen 2/8s Gen3/8 Gen 3, all their SoCs lack hardware accelerated AV1 decode. This means the AV1 will be decoded by the CPU using software decode, which will affect battery life of the phone.Those with phones that lack hardware decoding have voiced battery concerns
Apple users will get worst of this as only the A17 Pro has AV1 decode. At least Qualcomm supported it from late 2022.YouTube moves to AV1 by default to the dismay of some Android users
Google sparks controversy after confirming AV1 will become the new defaultwww.androidpolice.com
This will affect Snapdragon users significantly, because other than the 8 Gen 2/8s Gen3/8 Gen 3, all their SoCs lack hardware accelerated AV1 decode. This means the AV1 will be decoded by the CPU using software decode, which will affect battery life of the phone.
Sounds right, still very recent compared to Mediatek and Samsung though.No, gen 2 also supports it.
AMD likewise had support since Rembrandt in APUs, and RDNA2 in dGPUs.and Intel had AV1 encode for a while now
Probably for some even lower end SKUs.X Plus based on the same Phoenix die. What is Purwa then?
Not bad. Almost exactly the reference 14600K scores:Sorry if this has already been reported but some X1E84100 Geekbench scores have been posted: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/5826402
ST 2935 / MT 15704
It's not a tough fight against AMD/Intel mobile SoCs because they're extremely far behind both Apple and Qualcomm in perf/watt.Not bad. Almost exactly the reference 14600K scores:
Then again the ST result is already a bit behind the M3 Pro:
It will be a much tougher fight against next gen AMD / Intel / Apple processors. The disabled turbo on X Plus chips really hurts its competitiveness IMO.
I'm sure Qualcomm has a lot of low hanging fruit to improve upon though, so it all depends on the execution of the followup cores