45 TOPS is competitive, no?
(I don't think WoA is going to happen but OEMs think otherwise, at least while AI hype rages on until it doesn't)
Because it's a meme.
Not viable performance levels for 2025
That's really really not how one sells a SoC.45 TOPS is competitive, no?
That's really really not how one sells a SoC.
Because it's a meme.
Not viable performance levels for 2025 with nothing (hint: slap a modem innit) to compensate for it.
Some parts are a meme.
Not fun.You can say it like an adult
HPT1/2 are not the 2025 AMD mainstream product.That also applies to you saying it's "netbook-class performance" when it's matching today's Hawk Points
Fun is fun.but this edgy-teenager kind of discussion is grating.
Neoverse V2 is still not GA anywhere. Doesn't exist.in the category of SoC that another user says is composed of "meme chips" - absolutely thump server Zen 4's at single-thread int and do pretty okay across a socket
Hitting the pre-Turin copium? Don't."but muh future server chip that is still only sampling" yeah, whatever.
Not fun.
It ughhh, doesn't.
Neoverse V2 is still not GA anywhere. Doesn't exist.
I can buy Genoas just fine.
Hitting the pre-Turin copium? Don't.
OEMs pretty obviously disagree.
That's a funky mezza with joke DRAM options.Grace has been shipping for a minute.
It's not GA until it hits tier 1 OEM configurators. Pretty simple.I guess it's not "GA" if you can't buy it from Best Buy or in a $5000 entry-level Proliant.
Yeah it's mid.But that "mid" "meme" IP? Neoverse V1 and V2? I've used and benchmarked it.
That's a funky mezza with joke DRAM options.
Please.
It's not GA until it hits tier 1 OEM configurators. Pretty simple.
Yeah it's mid.
Benching V1 versus SMT off Genoa is as trivial as going to AWS.
Yeah it's not a socket I can just deploy.Goalposts go flying
No, it's how everyone operates.Holy crap, that's a good six hundred meters... those goalposts left a crater
That's the thing, Zen4 clocks helluva lot higher iso wattage.If by "mid" you mean "exceeds Zen4 iso clock ST int, often by a not-small margin", then sure.
Yeah it's not a socket I can just deploy.
Pretty simple.
No, it's how everyone operates.
That's the thing, Zen4 clocks helluva lot higher iso wattage.
Simple, ain't it?
Unless I can buy it from tier 1 OEM, it doesn't.since according to you V2 doesn't exist.
Preview isn't GA.(I'd point out here that Grav4 instances have been in preview for six months but you'd dodge that one too.)
We never talked about something being HPC-oriented. Funny goalie shift but I forgive you.For an HPC-oriented part?
Yea.Enough higher to outweigh lower iso clock perf?
Yea.You got evidence for that?
Hard to compare tiled parts with clusters versus flat mesh monodies, unfortunately.How 'bout area?
Unless I can buy it from tier 1 OEM, it doesn't.
Preview isn't GA.
We never talked about something being HPC-oriented. Funny goalie shift but I forgive you.
Yea.
Yea.
Hard to compare tiled parts with clusters versus flat mesh monodies, unfortunately.
HPE is t1 but Cray BU isn't really mainstream.Like HPE and Atos, who have been building them for cluster users?
Yea, that's the rule.Called it
Goalies.You said everyone operates that way. In HPC, that's not even close to true.
Pay me.Cool. Show it.
Pay me.Indulge me. Just core area would be fine. (FWIW, I'm not actually particularly confident on V2 being smaller, because I have only vague intuition for Zen4 core area, so if you have numbers here I'd be 100% interested.)
HPE is t1 but Cray BU isn't really mainstream.
You ain't deploying Shasta on-premises.
Yea, that's the rule.
Goalies.
Pay me.
Pay me.
Yeah."HPC doesn't count because reasons"
Yeah."When I said everyone I meant everyone but HPC"
Someone is upset.Well I have evidence that Neoverse-V3 is 0.08mm2 in an implementation on TSMC N4 capable of achieving 6GHz, does iso-clock performance 35% higher than Zen7, and dissipates 110mW in that configuration! You can only see it if you give me money tho.
Someone is upset.
No, definitely upset.More confused than upset, I think. Very inventive "u mad bro?" though.
No, definitely upset.
"my super special market that can get away with IBM z tier availability is a good GA indicator!!!111" is the funniest thing I've ever seen.
Good entertainment value but deeply unserious discussion otherwise.
?for a core marketed heavily as an IP for HPC SoC's.
My argument style is just me being real.Your argument style reminds me of an ex-boyfriend. He was kind of a dick.
No they do not.
It's a cute marketing point but SOC eval has many more points of contention.I don't think you comprehend how obsessed with AI the entire industry is right now.