Indeed but in the scholar-oriented apps, there's a LOT of iOS/Mac things and those weight quite a lot of sales of those Apple hardware.
Indeed but in the scholar-oriented apps, there's a LOT of iOS/Mac things and those weight quite a lot of sales of those Apple hardware.could say same thing about Windows/Android. We are all trapped into using systems we don’t like. lol
Probably in the US. every where else there will be Windows/Android/Linux alternatives. The markets where Apple pricing is unaffordable and silly.Indeed but in the scholar-oriented apps, there's a LOT of iOS/Mac things and those weight quite a lot of sales of those Apple hardware.
Not really. Most schools ask for iPads even though they are f**** expensive. Support is what it is (and me saying is that is huh, heartbreaking... Hate you Apple).Probably in the US. every where else there will be Windows/Android/Linux alternatives. The markets where Apple pricing is unaffordable and silly.
I find MacOS slow and clunky. I have never liked it. I have a Mac Mini at home that has this amazing hardware crippled by a bad operation system (IMO).
Ipads are anything but expensive. They start out at $249.Not really. Most schools ask for iPads even though they are f**** expensive. Support is what it is (and me saying is that is huh, heartbreaking... Hate you Apple).
Not here in EU, no.Ipads are anything but expensive. They start out at $249.
This isn’t true. Hector Martin (the guy working on Linux on Apple Silicon) says you can get near identical battery life in Linux.If you install Linux on a Macbook, all that "efficiency" goes out the Window. It is unclear how much of that is immature drivers and how much of it is due to Apple's "special sauce" not being present.
Surely there is discount pricing for schools and universities. I know in Australia, Apple has big discounts for edu institutions and teachers/students.Not really. Most schools ask for iPads even though they are f**** expensive. Support is what it is (and me saying is that is huh, heartbreaking... Hate you Apple).
You don't wanna know.Surely there is discount pricing for schools and universities. I know in Australia, Apple has big discounts for edu institutions and teachers/students.
There also a lot of ways to get Apple stuff for a discount if you play it smart. Just wait 2-3 months and it goes on sale and then some stores here do a price match and then beat the discount by 5%, so it ends up even cheaper. You end up with a lot of savings.
But yeah I don’t the market conditions of Europe. The taxes and rates probably play a part.
Those guys chilled it with liquid nitrogen to get those the results though. M4 on ipads is most likely 15 watts maxThe Apple M4 consumes 30W each for the CPU and GPU.
If Apple could put such a chip into a fanless device (iPad), why couldn't Qualcomm put their Snapdragon X Plus into a fanless laptop?
No, that's not how it works.Those guys chilled it with liquid nitrogen to get those the results though. M4 on ipads is most likely 15 watts max
If it's not throttling then it consumes more since it stays at a higher frequency, no?No, that's not how it works.
Liquid nitrogen will only prevent the processor from throttling. It's not going to artificially increase the max power consumption.
Ok, let me rephrase it. They swapped the cooling system of M4 (a small copper plate) with one that's more capable (liquid nitrogen). Small copper plate can't dissipate 20-30WNo, that's not how it works.
Liquid nitrogen will only prevent the processor from throttling. It's not going to artificially increase the max power consumption.
We are talking about Power, not energy.If it's not throttling then it consumes more since it stays at a higher frequency, no?
No swapping. They exposed the back of the iPad to liquid nitrogen. While it helped the cooling, the bigger effect was popping the eyeballs of the viewers.Ok, let me rephrase it. They swapped the cooling system of M4 (a small copper plate) with one that's more capable (liquid nitrogen). Small copper plate can't dissipate 20-30W
Qualcomm could put it in a fanless device. They chose to sell the chip to other manufacturers rather than produce devices directly. It is those manufacturers that so far have chosen fans.View attachment 100089
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The Apple M4 consumes 30W each for the CPU and GPU.
If Apple could put such a chip into a fanless device (iPad), why couldn't Qualcomm put their Snapdragon X Plus into a fanless laptop?
Snapdragon X Plus;
CPU : 30W
GPU : 20W
Every Snapdragon X laptop unveiled so far has a fan.
You mean increased frequency is done at the same voltage?We are talking about Power, not energy.
No, they are just telling that peak power use is not the same as average power use.You mean increased frequency is done at the same voltage?
@Nothingness thoughts?Zen = March 2017
Zen+ = April 2018
Zen2 = July 2019
Zen 3 = November 2020.
Zen4 = September 2022
Zen5 = June 2024
Why am I posting this in the Qualcomm thread? Because I want to make an example of it.
When AMD first debuted Ryzen, they faced an uphill battle against Intel. AMD's market share was in the single digit %. From 2017 to 2020, they released a new architecture every single year, until they established themselves in a stable position with Zen3.
Qualcomm is in a similar position today with Snapdragon X, to what Ryzen was in 2017. They have virtually no marketshare and mindshare in PCs. They are facing an uphill battle against Intel/AMD. Qualcomm will need an aggressive roadmap and execute it perfectly, if they are entrench themselves as the 3rd major player in the PC space.
And this is where the problems lie;
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Dell's leaked roadmap also gives us a glimpse to Qualcomm's future Oryon roadmap.
Oryon V1: 2024Q3
Oryon V2 : 2025H2
Oryon V3 : 2027Q4
Now of course, this information needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. [1] It's a leak [2] it comes from Dell, not directly Qualcomm. [3] It's a roadmap devised last year, so things may have been changed a bit now.
But this roadmap isn't exactly inspiring confidence. The 12-18 month gap between Oryon V1 and Oryon V2 is fine, but the 24-27 month gap between Oryon V2 and Oryon V3 is a bit alarming. I think Qualcomm should put out Oryon V3 sometime in late 2026 or atleast 2027H1.
And it's not only the release timings of the architectures, but also the uplift brought by each architecture also matters. Oryon V2 will have to bring a ST uplift of ~50% to hold it's own against Zen5 and Apple M5.
He may say that, but it has been tested and shown to be false. I have to run out, but I'll try to remember to find the article later.This isn’t true. Hector Martin (the guy working on Linux on Apple Silicon) says you can get near identical battery life in Linux.
I can't even read all the text on the roadmap@Nothingness thoughts?