Nyo.
Just wait the tiniest little bit.
It's an ok part but not a market-breaker, not in any way similar to what M1/A14x was in late 2020.
Nyo.great and could still compete with Strix in MT handily
Just wait the tiniest little bit.Absolute ST tho Kracken and avg Strix parts will beat the common 3.4GHz skus yes.
It's an ok part but not a market-breaker, not in any way similar to what M1/A14x was in late 2020.”garbage” is ridiculous lol — QC have the best CPU architecture in Windows here for the core and the layout/uncore. It’s simple, scales well and they haven’t even thrown in a low-voltage E core cluster (not that they need it as is but it would further improve things likely)
I don’t see this as compelling against what is essentially previous gen. Strix coming next month and Lunar Lake with huge changes coming inside of 4 months. I’m now betting Lunar Lake is going to win on performance (including against native ARM) as well as battery life.More efficient than MTL yes but not that Phoenix, they just match the latter at 35W while the former need 45-50W to match them at 35W.
LNL is 4+4 and CPU perf isn't anything too hot.I’m now betting Lunar Lake is going to win on performance (including against native ARM) as well as battery life.
Samsung has an X1-E84 model. But limited to 16GB of RAM and 16".Granted I didn't do an exhaustive search, but I couldn't find any offerings with the X1E-84 SKU which is why I asked if there were any. It seems like there aren't any of them actually available, at this time at least.
What I find worrying is that a well known site such as Notebookcheck was sent an X1-E78. That doesn't smell good.The X1E-80 should definitely perform better, I just wasn't expecting such a cut down SKU, let alone for it seemingly to be in the majority of designs and I don't think most others were either, that's all. With the higher base and actual boost, it will also be interesting to see how battery life is effected when the X1E-80 is used. It's not what it was hyped up to be, but it is very nice to see that the ARM version of Windows is finally a good experience for at least most users (outside of gaming) and QC provided a solid chip to drive that experience. I do worry that without a killer app or some kind of killer performance characteristic (whether performance or battery life), it still won't be enough to get much market penetration. We'll see though, MS seems to be pretty keen (at least for now) in pushing these to be successful.
Shipping date: 2024 holidaysSamsung has an X1-E84 model. But limited to 16GB of RAM and 16".
Ah his benevolence... it's not paywalled.Is this the "End of the Affair"?
Qualcomm AI/Copilot PCs don’t live up to the hype
Qualcomm’s new AI/Copilot PCs has overwhelming hype but their actions point to a far murkier picture.www.semiaccurate.com
On the UK site it's in stock.Shipping date: 2024 holidays
”garbage” is ridiculous lol
But the CPU — even for that 78 part — great and could still compete with Strix in MT handily, and wouldn’t lose in battery life either (most likely comes out on top still). And in ST perf/W I doubt Strix is ahead either, at worst they’re likely similar. Absolute ST tho Kracken and avg Strix parts will beat the common 3.4GHz skus yes.
Obviously, tradeoffs with emulation is the reason we’re quibbling, which is valid from a market POV — consumers just want what works or a tradeoff that works out. Not saying that’s wrong. But this is still a very competent engineering effort that probably has some tweaks they could make retrospective if Charlie’s PMIC story is accurate.
It will be crushed by the sheer amount of cores, even in its own segment, by a cheap 8 Zen 5 cores that has the capability at 25W to match a 35W Hawk Point, and not counting SMT wich will be a deadly weapon, think that in Cinebench you can cut the power at 0.5x and still get the same score, in applications that have 25% SMT yield it s still 0.6x the power at same throughput.I’m now betting Lunar Lake is going to win on performance (including against native ARM) as well as battery life.
It will require a little more than those numbers manipulations to get a foothold on a busy market, and with Strix Point landing in1-2 months they will be definitly largely outmatched in both perfs and perf/watt.I think Qualcomm will have a piece of the market, but they are going to have to make a business of being a small piece of the laptop market. They won’t be a dominant player.
Granted I didn't do an exhaustive search, but I couldn't find any offerings with the X1E-84 SKU which is why I asked if there were any. It seems like there aren't any of them actually available, at this time at least.
Good as an engineering project, but not good enough to buy.
Gen12 is just good at 3dmark in general.Do they spend far too much time and resources optimising for synthetic benchmarks?
It's not, it's literally the 5th generation of WoA parts.Qualcomm X Elite is a development platform used mostly to polish the software and drivers
HOT DAMN please gimme the 4.3G SKU.
QC needs to stop making leadership claims. The fact they did at Computex is stupid.
Is this the "End of the Affair"?
Qualcomm AI/Copilot PCs don’t live up to the hype
Qualcomm’s new AI/Copilot PCs has overwhelming hype but their actions point to a far murkier picture.www.semiaccurate.com
Or in another words, read it with a mountain of salt..In short, I would suggest reading SA with a similar amount of credularity to, say, the Daily Mail.
QC needs to stop making leadership claims. The fact they did at Computex is stupid.
Or in another words, read it with a mountain of salt..
It's around 10W SOC 1t at measely 3.4.That s the power measured at the main with 4W idle power,
If that's what the 3.4 GHz part is consuming (14.4 Watts), you have to wonder what the 4.0, 4.2, 4.3 GHz parts consume.
QC needs to stop making leadership claims. The fact they did at Computex is stupid.