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I am kinda disappointed with the graphics of X Elite.
M2/M3 level of performance at M2 Pro/M3 Pro levels of power consumption.
I want them to beat the base M chip's graphics performance, while having similar efficiency.
We know Qualcomm can do it. Their Adreno is the leader in mobile GPUs.
The reason the X Elite lags behind M2/M3's GPU efficiency is probably because they did not allocate sufficient transistor budget to it. It explains how they achieved the miniscule ~170 mm² die size.
X Elite's GPU efficiency right now is good enough to beat Meteor Lake and Hawk Point, but I suspect next gen Lunar Lake and Stric Point might probably beat it. But it's certainly nowhere at Apple's level.
The impressive thing about Apple Silicon is every part of it is efficient. Not just the CPU (which is most talked about), but also the GPU, NPU, Media Engine, display engines, thunderbolt ports etc.... Apple is willing to splurge with regards to the transistor budget. A single Apple Thunderbolt controller in an M chip takes up as much area as a CPU P-core!
I wish future Snapdragon X processors would actually splurge on the GPU transistor budget, so we can do some actual power efficient gaming on it, and it would make it fit to put in tablets.
However, looking at the rumour mill, it sounds rather grim. Revegnus (in one of his last leaks), said X Elite Gen 2 will use an overclocked Adreno 830 GPU.
FWIW, Adreno 830 is the GPU powering the upcoming Snapdragon 8 Gen 4. It is 10% faster than M2's GPU, and the same performance as the GPU in the X Elite 80W TDP.
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According to Adroc, that is because the Zephryrus laptop used to obtain that graph is running on single channel RAM.The first graph is totaly fake, look at the alleged AMD s GPU efficency, if that was real then the MSI Claw would eat the ROG Ally for launch, yet we all know that it s the other way around.
That s telling that Qualcomm, as much if not more than Intel, is relying on plain lies to prop up their product image, wich is an indication that it could be not as good as claimed.
According to Adroc, that is because the Zephryrus laptop used to obtain that graph is running on single channel RAM.
a what?Isn't the 8G4 basically a Phoenix for Phones
Yep.with the 2P + 6E Phoenix Cores. While also having the latest updated IPs from QCOM, specially the shiny new Adreno 8 series uArch?
Exactly. 8G4 will basically be an Apple M2.I don't see much reason for X Elite on the Android space due to this.
I meant to say it's bringing the Phoenix cores into the Android mobile space. Hence why Phoenix for phones (Rather than X Elite which is Phoenix for Mobile PC). But you got the idea.a what?
OK OK.I meant to say it's bringing the Phoenix cores into the Android mobile space. Hence why Phoenix for phones (Rather than X Elite which is Phoenix for Mobile PC). But you got the idea.
Yeah Qualcomm's Adreno division has been on high gear since the 8G1. 8G2 -> 8G4 will literally a 2x jump in performance (3DMark WLE) in the span of just two years.I'm really excited for the 8G4. It will be a substantial bump in performance. And I'm really keen on the new Adreno 8 series, specially as QCOM has been doing some amazing jumps in GFX performance since the 8G1.
Summary
• Qualcomm is testing two Snapdragon X Plus variants
• Variants are called X1P44100 and X1P46100
• Details on clock speeds and core numbers are still unknown
• 16GB LPDDR5X RAM and 256GB UFS 4.0 storage
• Snapdragon X65 5G modem for mobile internet
• New chip could have ten computing cores
I really, really doubt QCOM is putting their shiny new premium cores in the basic 7 Gen series (Not the 7+) next year. I would be pleasantly surprised if we see a 8x Phoenix M or even a 2P + 2E + a cutdown version of the shiny Adreno 800 series (820 maybe?). But it's really unlikely.what CPU the 7G4 will have. Oryon or ARM Cortex?
Good! QCOM will need cheaper SKUs if they truly want WoA to take off. The 7C series for cheaper WoA laptops was downright laughable.Qualcomm is testing Snapdragon X Plus.
Snapdragon X Plus: Qualcomm testet weitere ARM-CPU für Windows-PCs
Nachdem vor einigen Wochen bereits konkrete Hinweise auf mindestens vier Varianten des Snapdragon X Plus aufgetaucht waren, konnten wir jetzt herausfinden, dass Qualcomm intern mindestens zwei Versionen bereits seit einigen Monaten testet.winfuture.de
Now, that's pretty sus.I learned more than I expected during this post-meeting, hour-long hands-on experience. Including, go figure, that there are at least two different “versions” of the X Elite chipset, running at different base clock speeds. It’s not clear how or if Qualcomm will market these, indeed they were reluctant to discuss it, noting only that it would not imitate a “certain company” by confusing the market with multiple SKUs (product editions). Knowing the PC market as well as I do, I suspect there was some call for some variety, however. So we’ll see how that turns out.
It really is impressive that Google did that. Google and Microsoft aren't exactly the best of friends. I am inclined to believe that Google obliged to do it for Qualcomm's sake and not Microsoft's.There will be. And you’ve already seen what is arguably the most important single app cross the Arm finish line: Google announced the stable release of an Arm-native version of its dominant Chrome web browser two weeks ago, a stunning level of support from a company that has done absolutely nothing to help Windows, ever, in supporting a platform that today has a user base of roughly zero. Google, inexplicably, has formally acknowledged Windows on Arm as a viable, important platfor
WoA Gaming!On the emulation front, Qualcomm let us play three x64 games—all desktop apps acquired from the Epic Games Store—on their references PCs using an Xbox wireless controller: Baldur’s Gate, Control, and Redout. I stuck largely to the latter, a racing game, and experienced smooth, glitch-free performance with a consistent 35 to 40 FPS at 1080p. I hear you, gamers are looking for 60 FPS. But this isn’t a gaming rig, it’s a reference laptop using a chipset that’s aimed at Ultrabooks, running games in emulation. That’s impressive. And I watched others play Baldur’s Gate and Control with similar glitch-free performance, and was similarly impressed.
Please don't be naive, gosh! Google did it for THEMSELVES!It really is impressive that Google did that.
You won't believe the complaints people will come up with when they get hands on actual hardware.WoA Gaming!
I doubt that gamers would be first in line waiting to buy this. However, this could be popular among web devs.You won't believe the complaints people will come up with when they get hands on actual hardware.
"Game X or Y or Z has this and this and that issue!"
"$1500-$2000 went down the drain!"
"I expected better gaming for this much money!"
"Looks like this "insert name of game" will never be supported due to serious hardware limitation!"
One way QC could try to make their platform more popular is by releasing a micro or mini ITX mobo with at least 32GB LPDDR so enthusiasts have something nice to play with. Then QC needs to support them in whatever they want to do with it and fix at least 90% of the bugs identified by those users. That level of support will give people the confidence they need to trust a whole new platform for gaming.
It's obvious QCOM will release others parts. The PC OEMs will demand it to cover a wide range of products. They're just putting off discussing them for now because these SKUs won't be available at launch.So nobody is going to address the sus part?
Something like that Project Volterra box?One way QC could try to make their platform more popular is by releasing a micro or mini ITX mobo with at least 32GB LPDDR so enthusiasts have something nice to play with. Then QC needs to support them in whatever they want to do with it and fix at least 90% of the bugs identified by those users. That level of support will give people the confidence they need to trust a whole new platform for gaming
So it’s using newer oryon cores?
No idea. Aren't the cores called Phoenix? For both.So it’s using newer oryon cores?
I ask because X Eilte is ARMv8
I'm probably mistaken, can't find it anywhere.Source?