X Elite has Phoenix.
8G4 has Phoenix-L and Phoenix-M.
Revegnus made no mention of the ARM version.
X Elite has Phoenix.No idea. Aren't the cores called Phoenix? For both.
Faster than Rosetta2? 0_oMicrosoft claims, in internal documents seen by The Verge, that these new Windows AI PCs will have “faster app emulation than Rosetta 2” — the application compatibility layer that Apple uses on its Apple Silicon Macs to translate apps compiled for 64-bit Intel processors to Apple’s own processors
Assuming this emulation is on base M3. Not M3 Pro or M3 Max.Faster than Rosetta2? 0_o
From:
Microsoft is confident Windows on Arm could finally beat Apple
Microsoft is gearing up for next-gen AI PCs.www.theverge.com
Emulation speed scales up with core count? I thought it was ST bound.Assuming this emulation is on base M3. Not M3 Pro or M3 Max.
We need to see prices of the top end SKU
You can dedicate some cores to optimize on the fly the generated code.Emulation speed scales up with core count? I thought it was ST bound.
No(at least not now), to be honest, I am not that familiar with the android stuff.
(2) When do you guys think Qualcomm will adopt chiplets? Intel and AMD are aggressively pursuing it. Apple does too (in a limited sense) for their gargantuan M Ultra chips.(1) Do you guys think Qualcomm will pursue big SoCs (with big iGPUs and wider memory buses- ala Apple M Pro and M Max) ?
Maybe a M3 Pro equal but M3 Max is clear no. M3 Max is entirely different class of SoC that only Apple can do because its sells a product not the chip.Do you guys think Qualcomm will pursue big SoCs (with big iGPUs and wider memory buses- ala Apple M Pro and M Max) ?
Let's not go there 😂. It's cool to be excited for new tech but let's not invent REDACTED reasons to shill it.
One more reason why people should consider moving to power efficient ARM platforms.
It's better for the planet.
How much energy is consumed producing your new laptop, then shipping it halfway around the world? All the plastics, microprocessors, metals that went into it all needed energy to produce. A lot of the time the most environmentally friendly option is to keep using your old system for as long as you can.
One more reason why people should consider moving to power efficient ARM platforms.
It's better for the planet.
(2) When do you guys think Qualcomm will adopt chiplets? Intel and AMD are aggressively pursuing it. Apple does too (in a limited sense) for their gargantuan M Ultra chips.
Exactly what I want to say about upcoming X-Elite G2, Qualcomm most likely employ 128-bit LPDDR6 for next gen monolithics SoC. With 200GB/s BW, it provides 50% more bandwidth which is enough for extra CPU and GPU cores manufactured by N3P...Qualcomm will not adopt chiplets for PCs anytime soon. Chiplets are still the future in some sense, and we’ll probably see variants become more suitable for very low power operation for sure, e.g. some GPU+IO tile and a CPU tile or whatever on a very low power interposer might happen eventually.
Apple only does chiplets for their desktop Ultra chips. The M3 Pro/Max do not use chiplets even if in theory they’d benefit cost wise due to their size — probably in part because they don’t think there’s anything suitable yet for the hit to power and they can afford the die size costs and sell directly to customers.
Another thing at that, RE: die size, is that Qualcomm is selling a mainstream premium part designed for power and energy efficiency. They aren’t selling an M3 Pro/Max with a huge GPU because they wouldn’t have the bus width for it (much less the use currently what with games on Windows or compute for Adreno, honestly what would you do with it?) and that market segment is too limited for Qualcomm/AMD/Intel right now save for games, whereas Apple can grab that from creators etc.
With LPDDR6 they (AMD/Intel/QC) could throw a bigger GPU onboard without using a bigger bus, but by that point they’ll have another logic shrink and speed boost with N3E/P if not N2 (smaller shrink there though) so it sort of levels out.
If NV is using Intel 3 process only, I don't think IF is capable of MFG 128-bit LPDDR6 SoC...Another thing: on a 256-bit bus for QC
Lmao no. Why? LPDDR6 will give them 50-100% more bandwidth and that’ll be that for games and such. But relatively speaking it has to be an entirely different class of application and user to justify that and they need more volume and more niche software (or just gaming) support before that even comes close.
Nvidia later on will be the first Arm vendor to do a fat bus, if they do.
Yeah precisely my thought too. The 12c I thought were pushing the bandwidth but even today at 136GB/S they definitely have room for a few more — and with LPDDR6 and N3P/E that becomes likely along with a bigger GPU.Exactly what I want to say about upcoming X-Elite G2, Qualcomm most likely employ 128-bit LPDDR6 for next gen monolithics SoC. With 200GB/s BW, it provides 50% more bandwidth which is enough for extra CPU and GPU cores manufactured by N3P...
One more reason why people should consider moving to power efficient ARM platforms.
It's better for the planet.
I am not fully convinced X Elite G2 will have LPDDR6.Exactly what I want to say about upcoming X-Elite G2, Qualcomm most likely employ 128-bit LPDDR6 for next gen monolithics SoC. With 200GB/s BW, it provides 50% more bandwidth which is enough for extra CPU and GPU cores manufactured by N3P...
That's the whole point of a 256 bit bus. It's an entirely different class of SoC.Another thing: on a 256-bit bus for QC
Lmao no. Why? LPDDR6 will give them 50-100% more bandwidth and that’ll be that for games and such. But relatively speaking it has to be an entirely different class of application and user to justify that and they need more volume and more niche software (or just gaming) support before that even comes close.