Quantum physics all wrong?

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: kogase
Didn't read the article. It's a waste of time until the validity of his research and prototype have been verified.

Then you missed the part where it said he had 50 independent validation reports...

I have a hundred independent validation reports that says he doesn't.

Let's see MIT or a similar institution perform a rigorous and published trial. If it bears out, then I'll get excited.

100 you say? Please give some links.

Why does MIT or a similar institution have to do it? MIT and other major institutions are politically affiliated and influenced. Personally, I trust independant scientists more than major ones.

I would like to see that guy in the article provide links as well. Can you provide them for me or can you contact him and have them fowarded to this site and post them ? Untill I see a working model that can be prodded, poked, broken down and rebuilt I'll have to pass on believing that guy's claims.


Some people are so naive it's not even funny.

Look at the title of my post. IT ENDS WITH A QUESTION MARK! I'm not drawing conclusions. Other people in this thread are just like the majority of Americans and Scientists in the world. Closed minded and ignore evidence that contradicts what might make them look bad. It's all politics.

What is the evidence? Where is it published? Materials? Methods? Statistical analysis? What IS the evidence. Let's see it! No?

That's the problem. I have no way to know the truth of the matter.

 

[The Linuxator]

Originally posted by: XZeroII
http://www.guardian.co.uk/renewable/Story/0,2763,1627425,00.html

Really cool. I can't wait to see this kind of technology get massive attention so that we can move forward on it.

It also could show that even modern science is not 100% accurate. Many people think that if a majority of scientists in the world believe it, then it must be true. Well...

WOHOO now lets withdraw our troops in the middle-east and stop supporting Israel as we have no more intrest in both

 

[cruiser1338]

That's why I said you need to take it with a pinch of salt, but not completely disregard it. We just need to wait for proof. Hopefully this article and others will get enough people interested to do an actual report on this. Get a credible confirmation of this evidence.

Maybe this guy is a revolutionary, maybe he's a crank. All I'm saying is that we need to be open to new ideas, and not outrighly dismiss them. Quantum Physics may be a correct theory, and maybe this guy's theory is as well. Or maybe we need a new theory that includes both of them. Let's just wait, and be open.

 

[bauerbrazil]

Originally posted by: cruiser1338
You guys are forgetting, this is probably how most people felt about quantum physics. It's just a theory. Just because it is widely accepted, doesn't make it true. Just because Christianity is the most popular form of religion in the US at least, doesn't make it correct. I agree, take it with a pinch of salt, but don't just dismiss it.

Heheeh, don't ever mix science with fvcking stupit religion, science is based in facts.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Wow, very interesting stuff. Wouldn't it be great if this is true and this comes to fruition?

Oh come on, you and the rest don't believe in science on here especially when it comes to anything hydrogen related.

Why hop on the band wagon now???

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: ntdz
Wow, very interesting stuff. Wouldn't it be great if this is true and this comes to fruition?

Oh come on, you and the rest don't believe in science on here especially when it comes to anything hydrogen related.

Why hop on the band wagon now???

...What? Provide a quote backing up what you just said, even just a little bit.

And as far as hydrogen goes, in it's current form, it's not a form of energy, it just holds it. However, that doesn't mean I'm against hydrogen cars and such. In fact, I'm all for them getting put on the market.

 

[XZeroII]

Originally posted by: cruiser1338
That's why I said you need to take it with a pinch of salt, but not completely disregard it. We just need to wait for proof. Hopefully this article and others will get enough people interested to do an actual report on this. Get a credible confirmation of this evidence.

Maybe this guy is a revolutionary, maybe he's a crank. All I'm saying is that we need to be open to new ideas, and not outrighly dismiss them. Quantum Physics may be a correct theory, and maybe this guy's theory is as well. Or maybe we need a new theory that includes both of them. Let's just wait, and be open.

This is EXACTLY what I mean. Well said.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: kogase
Didn't read the article. It's a waste of time until the validity of his research and prototype have been verified.

Then you missed the part where it said he had 50 independent validation reports...

I'm sorry but their are so many unexplained inconsistencies in this theory that I believe it must be the result of "intelligent design"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which actually brings up a very interesting point:

This is a perfect example of how science works. We have an existing theory, extremely well supported by scientific evidence, and overwhelmingly believed by the scientific community.

And now an "interloper" enters and presents evidence that seems to completely contradict the predictions of the existing theory.

Note that the scientific community doesn't just dismiss the new evidence out of hand. Yes, strong, widespread skepticism exists. The entrenched mass of scientists, vested in the existing theory, is going to be a hard sell. But it's clear that the new evidence will be investigated, the experiment repeated again and again. And to the extent that the experimental outcome is not quickly found defective, it will be investigated more and more deeply. If the new results continue to be confirmed (and I think all of us would LOVE that outcome), the existing theory will be greatly modified, or replaced by a new one, to accomodate the new evidence.

This is how science ALWAYS works. An existing theory is never "proven to be true", regardless of how strong all the evidence in support of the theory is to that point in time. All theories remain falsifiable forever.

Now compare the above scenario with the response of the scientific community to "Intelligent Design". Those who support ID offer NOTHING in the way of new evidence. And they predict nothing. There is no ID "experiment" whose outcome is contrary to what the theory of evolution predicts. Thus, scientists (who, we have seen, have no difficulty at all checking out new evidence that may cause an overwhlelmingly supported existing theory to be discarded) have no reason whatever to give credence to ID.

This contrast in the response of the scientific community to ID on the one hand and to this new, anti-quantum-mechanics evidence on the other hand is stark. Those who want to push ID into science classrooms would do well to think about why this difference exists.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: shira

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: ntdz

Originally posted by: kogase
Didn't read the article. It's a waste of time until the validity of his research and prototype have been verified.

Then you missed the part where it said he had 50 independent validation reports...

I'm sorry but their are so many unexplained inconsistencies in this theory that I believe it must be the result of "intelligent design"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which actually brings up a very interesting point:

This is a perfect example of how science works. We have an existing theory, extremely well supported by scientific evidence, and overwhelmingly believed by the scientific community.

And now an "interloper" enters and presents evidence that seems to completely contradict the predictions of the existing theory.

Note that the scientific community doesn't just dismiss the new evidence out of hand. Yes, strong, widespread skepticism exists. The entrenched mass of scientists, vested in the existing theory, is going to be a hard sell. But it's clear that the new evidence will be investigated, the experiment repeated again and again. And to the extent that the experimental outcome is not quickly found defective, it will be investigated more and more deeply. If the new results continue to be confirmed (and I think all of us would LOVE that outcome), the existing theory will be greatly modified, or replaced by a new one, to accomodate the new evidence.

This is how science ALWAYS works. An existing theory is never "proven to be true", regardless of how strong all the evidence in support of the theory is to that point in time. All theories remain falsifiable forever.

Now compare the above scenario with the response of the scientific community to "Intelligent Design". Those who support ID offer NOTHING in the way of new evidence. And they predict nothing. There is no ID "experiment" whose outcome is contrary to what the theory of evolution predicts. Thus, scientists (who, we have seen, have no difficulty at all checking out new evidence that may cause an overwhlelmingly supported existing theory to be discarded) have no reason whatever to give credence to ID.

This contrast in the response of the scientific community to ID on the one hand and to this new, anti-quantum-mechanics evidence on the other hand is stark. Those who want to push ID into science classrooms would do well to think about why this difference exists.

Yup, though sometimes the scientific community dismisses certain things out of hand at the time it's first brought up. There was a show on PBS recently(IIRC it was PBS I was watching) where a Dr (early 20th centuryish) figured some diseases were caused not by Bacteria/Viruses, but by Nutrtional factors. He even performed some experiments that in retrospect certainly proved his ideas, but the resistance was so great they were dismissed at the time. It wasn't until after his death that his ideas were finally accepted and the diseases and specific lack of Nutrients that caused them were accepted/identified.

When a new radical idea comes it isn't necessarily wrong, but if it's correct it often takes time for it to be taken seriously. Although it will never be taken seriously if the person(s) making the claim refuse to Experiment or reveal details that support their claim.

That said, there are more Radical claims that are straight out Con Jobs than there are those that have legitimacy.