Question about airports

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: kinev
So, I've done some googling, but I couldn't come up with an answer to this question. We have all been there standing in line at the airport with our shoes, belts, jackets, etc in hand waiting to go through the TSA security checkpoint. Yes, it's frustrating and possibly pointless, but I understand that it's for safety.

Anyway, after standing there for 30 minutes and you're almost next in line some moron walks up to the front of the line, flashes an airport ID, and cuts in front of you. Can they do that? I had it happen where the guy doing it was probably just a bag handler or something (judging by the work jump-suit he was wearing). I'm sort of okay with letting the pilots go ahead of me because, obviously, the planes aren't going anywhere without him/her. But some random airport worker? I have a problem with that.

They always seem so entitled to cut in line just because they work at the airport. Yes, it would suck if they had to wait in line just to go to work, but we as citizens have to wait in line to fly. There are certain sacrifices that people make for supposed safety.

Is this an FAA, TSA, or airport policy? I've confronted these people a couple of times and all they do is flash an airport ID at me. I'm not about to get into a "thing" right in front of a security checkpoint, but it really frustrates me.

Cliffs
1. Airport staff cut to the front of the line at security checkpoints
2. Can they? If so is it a Federal thing or is it up to the individual airports?
3. Am I being overly-sensitive when I think that this is unfair?

So you don't mind if it's a higher "class" person cutting in front of you, but you get angry when it's someone you feel is beneath your station in life. That about it?

I know just how you feel, it annoys me when common people aren't properly subservient.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
I don't understand why the OP has a problem with this.

I suppose it just seems "unfair" to me.

With all of the new security screenings we're told that we should put up with the inconvenience for the sake of security. OK. I get that. Airports have to be secure and as passengers, we ALL should sacrifice some convenience for the sake of said security.

Well, why is the cashier at an airport Starbucks exempt from sacrificing what every other passenger is forced to sacrifice? And, yes, I have seen airport concession stand employees cut in line as well. And it's not just that. It's the attitudes of these workers that they are entitled to forgo what everybody else has to sit through.

Some might argue that it's these workers that make the airlines function. To a point, yes. But, it's the passenger's dollars (and Federal funding, but that's a whole other can of worms) that really make the airlines function. I'm not saying that because I pay for a ticket that I should not have to wait in line. I'm just saying that everybody should have to whether you're a bag handler, cashier, stewardess, or passenger.

I see that I'm alone in thinking this, but it makes sense in my mind.

 

[Number1]

Normaly, airport workers with the appropriate clearance level use different 'staff" entrance doors to get to work.

However, some people not familiar with a specific airport like a pilot may occasionaly use the pasenger screening entrance door. Other airport workers with lower clearance level have to be searched before accessing the air side and have to use the passenger entrances. There are many more reasons why staff use the passengers entrances. Learn to live with it and stop wyning.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: kinev
So, I've done some googling, but I couldn't come up with an answer to this question. We have all been there standing in line at the airport with our shoes, belts, jackets, etc in hand waiting to go through the TSA security checkpoint. Yes, it's frustrating and possibly pointless, but I understand that it's for safety.

Anyway, after standing there for 30 minutes and you're almost next in line some moron walks up to the front of the line, flashes an airport ID, and cuts in front of you. Can they do that? I had it happen where the guy doing it was probably just a bag handler or something (judging by the work jump-suit he was wearing). I'm sort of okay with letting the pilots go ahead of me because, obviously, the planes aren't going anywhere without him/her. But some random airport worker? I have a problem with that.

They always seem so entitled to cut in line just because they work at the airport. Yes, it would suck if they had to wait in line just to go to work, but we as citizens have to wait in line to fly. There are certain sacrifices that people make for supposed safety.

Is this an FAA, TSA, or airport policy? I've confronted these people a couple of times and all they do is flash an airport ID at me. I'm not about to get into a "thing" right in front of a security checkpoint, but it really frustrates me.

Cliffs
1. Airport staff cut to the front of the line at security checkpoints
2. Can they? If so is it a Federal thing or is it up to the individual airports?
3. Am I being overly-sensitive when I think that this is unfair?

So you don't mind if it's a higher "class" person cutting in front of you, but you get angry when it's someone you feel is beneath your station in life. That about it?

I know just how you feel, it annoys me when common people aren't properly subservient.

Not quite. Like I said, if the pilots aren't there, then nobody's going anywhere. So, I can see how allowing them to go first saves everybody time. It's an investment in time for everybody in that line.

However, if a shop cashier is held up a little longer at security, well, one person might not get their coffee and newspaper as quickly, but it won't cause any serious delay.

Good try with the class warfare, though.

 

[grohl]

OP - get to the airport earlier and STFU

 

[bapace]

It is a huge security risk to continue operating they way they have been, made even more apparent by the incident at Orlando. There is NO reason to trust these people any more than others.

 

[sandorski]

Since they did it, I'll say, "Yes, they can do that"

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: kinev
So, I've done some googling, but I couldn't come up with an answer to this question. We have all been there standing in line at the airport with our shoes, belts, jackets, etc in hand waiting to go through the TSA security checkpoint. Yes, it's frustrating and possibly pointless, but I understand that it's for safety.

Anyway, after standing there for 30 minutes and you're almost next in line some moron walks up to the front of the line, flashes an airport ID, and cuts in front of you. Can they do that? I had it happen where the guy doing it was probably just a bag handler or something (judging by the work jump-suit he was wearing). I'm sort of okay with letting the pilots go ahead of me because, obviously, the planes aren't going anywhere without him/her. But some random airport worker? I have a problem with that.

They always seem so entitled to cut in line just because they work at the airport. Yes, it would suck if they had to wait in line just to go to work, but we as citizens have to wait in line to fly. There are certain sacrifices that people make for supposed safety.

Is this an FAA, TSA, or airport policy? I've confronted these people a couple of times and all they do is flash an airport ID at me. I'm not about to get into a "thing" right in front of a security checkpoint, but it really frustrates me.

Cliffs
1. Airport staff cut to the front of the line at security checkpoints
2. Can they? If so is it a Federal thing or is it up to the individual airports?
3. Am I being overly-sensitive when I think that this is unfair?

So you don't mind if it's a higher "class" person cutting in front of you, but you get angry when it's someone you feel is beneath your station in life. That about it?

I know just how you feel, it annoys me when common people aren't properly subservient.

Not quite. Like I said, if the pilots aren't there, then nobody's going anywhere. So, I can see how allowing them to go first saves everybody time. It's an investment in time for everybody in that line.

However, if a shop cashier is held up a little longer at security, well, one person might not get their coffee and newspaper as quickly, but it won't cause any serious delay.

Good try with the class warfare, though.

and how far do you think you would go without the guys loading the plane? or filling the tanks? or makeing sure the damn thing is safe?

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: kinev
So, I've done some googling, but I couldn't come up with an answer to this question. We have all been there standing in line at the airport with our shoes, belts, jackets, etc in hand waiting to go through the TSA security checkpoint. Yes, it's frustrating and possibly pointless, but I understand that it's for safety.

Anyway, after standing there for 30 minutes and you're almost next in line some moron walks up to the front of the line, flashes an airport ID, and cuts in front of you. Can they do that? I had it happen where the guy doing it was probably just a bag handler or something (judging by the work jump-suit he was wearing). I'm sort of okay with letting the pilots go ahead of me because, obviously, the planes aren't going anywhere without him/her. But some random airport worker? I have a problem with that.

They always seem so entitled to cut in line just because they work at the airport. Yes, it would suck if they had to wait in line just to go to work, but we as citizens have to wait in line to fly. There are certain sacrifices that people make for supposed safety.

Is this an FAA, TSA, or airport policy? I've confronted these people a couple of times and all they do is flash an airport ID at me. I'm not about to get into a "thing" right in front of a security checkpoint, but it really frustrates me.

Cliffs
1. Airport staff cut to the front of the line at security checkpoints
2. Can they? If so is it a Federal thing or is it up to the individual airports?
3. Am I being overly-sensitive when I think that this is unfair?

So you don't mind if it's a higher "class" person cutting in front of you, but you get angry when it's someone you feel is beneath your station in life. That about it?

I know just how you feel, it annoys me when common people aren't properly subservient.

Not quite. Like I said, if the pilots aren't there, then nobody's going anywhere. So, I can see how allowing them to go first saves everybody time. It's an investment in time for everybody in that line.

However, if a shop cashier is held up a little longer at security, well, one person might not get their coffee and newspaper as quickly, but it won't cause any serious delay.

Good try with the class warfare, though.

you don't seem to understand how an airport works. it's not all pilots. they need people running all aspects of the airport as well, or nothing gets done.

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: sandorski
Since they did it, I'll say, "Yes, they can do that"

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: bapace
It is a huge security risk to continue operating they way they have been, made even more apparent by the incident at Orlando. There is NO reason to trust these people any more than others.

Are you refering to the flight attendant who brought a gun to the air side?

Normaly, in Canada, flight attendants are not searched before accessing the air side because they have the proper security clearances. I would suspect the US has the same security rules.

 

[bapace]

No, I'm referring to the baggage handlers that smuggled guns onto planes, including into the passenger compartment. The people that work at the airport are usually FAR from model citizens, and I highly doubt they possess real security clearances (ie, gov't background checks)

 

[kinev]

Originally posted by: Pepsi90919

Originally posted by: kinev

Originally posted by: Greenman

Originally posted by: kinev
So, I've done some googling, but I couldn't come up with an answer to this question. We have all been there standing in line at the airport with our shoes, belts, jackets, etc in hand waiting to go through the TSA security checkpoint. Yes, it's frustrating and possibly pointless, but I understand that it's for safety.

Anyway, after standing there for 30 minutes and you're almost next in line some moron walks up to the front of the line, flashes an airport ID, and cuts in front of you. Can they do that? I had it happen where the guy doing it was probably just a bag handler or something (judging by the work jump-suit he was wearing). I'm sort of okay with letting the pilots go ahead of me because, obviously, the planes aren't going anywhere without him/her. But some random airport worker? I have a problem with that.

They always seem so entitled to cut in line just because they work at the airport. Yes, it would suck if they had to wait in line just to go to work, but we as citizens have to wait in line to fly. There are certain sacrifices that people make for supposed safety.

Is this an FAA, TSA, or airport policy? I've confronted these people a couple of times and all they do is flash an airport ID at me. I'm not about to get into a "thing" right in front of a security checkpoint, but it really frustrates me.

Cliffs
1. Airport staff cut to the front of the line at security checkpoints
2. Can they? If so is it a Federal thing or is it up to the individual airports?
3. Am I being overly-sensitive when I think that this is unfair?

So you don't mind if it's a higher "class" person cutting in front of you, but you get angry when it's someone you feel is beneath your station in life. That about it?

I know just how you feel, it annoys me when common people aren't properly subservient.

Not quite. Like I said, if the pilots aren't there, then nobody's going anywhere. So, I can see how allowing them to go first saves everybody time. It's an investment in time for everybody in that line.

However, if a shop cashier is held up a little longer at security, well, one person might not get their coffee and newspaper as quickly, but it won't cause any serious delay.

Good try with the class warfare, though.

you don't seem to understand how an airport works. it's not all pilots. they need people running all aspects of the airport as well, or nothing gets done.

Oh I know. Pilots are a minority of skilled labor. I imagine that there are a lot more airport crew than pilots. But, as has been pointed out, I'm no airport expert. If Harry the baggage handler is late and feels the need to cut in line to get to his job on time, in my mind, there should be a number of other handlers who can cover for him. No loss of time to anybody.

If Tom the pilot is late and feels the need to cut, he's a highly skilled worker and I don't think that there's anybody to cover for him. Plane doesn't take off, so all those people and the people waiting where the plane is going lose a lot of time.

I still wouldn't be happy about letting a pilot cut, but I understand.

To those of you saying I should just get to the airport sooner, well, so should airport employees and wait in line like everybody else.

Like I said, I guess I'm the only one who feels this way. Oh well.

 

[Number1]

Originally posted by: bapace
No, I'm referring to the baggage handlers that smuggled guns onto planes, including into the passenger compartment. The people that work at the airport are usually FAR from model citizens, and I highly doubt they possess real security clearances (ie, gov't background checks)

Anybody working the air side in canada is either in possesion of gov't issued clearance card that must be visible at all time or is escorted by a person witht the required clearance. Of course the system is not perfect so the occasional crook may sneek in.

 

[Xyclone]

Originally posted by: mugs
Sorry man, this is a really, really stupid question.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: kinev

Oh I know. Pilots are a minority of skilled labor. I imagine that there are a lot more airport crew than pilots. But, as has been pointed out, I'm no airport expert. If Harry the baggage handler is late and feels the need to cut in line to get to his job on time, in my mind, there should be a number of other handlers who can cover for him. No loss of time to anybody.

If Tom the pilot is late and feels the need to cut, he's a highly skilled worker and I don't think that there's anybody to cover for him. Plane doesn't take off, so all those people and the people waiting where the plane is going lose a lot of time.

I still wouldn't be happy about letting a pilot cut, but I understand.

To those of you saying I should just get to the airport sooner, well, so should airport employees and wait in line like everybody else.

Like I said, I guess I'm the only one who feels this way. Oh well.

They're not like everyone else. They're employees of the airport. They have to go through security EVERY DAY. It serves no purpose for the airport to make them wait in line. They'd end up with a lot of very disgruntled employees.

 

[Mellman]

I suppose you don't like the people with premium security passes either? heh...I love going through lines at dulles walking in front of a few hundred people quite nice.

 

[Bryophyte]

If all the employees had to wait in line for a half hour each working day, then it would cost you more to fly and buy anything at the airport. Labor costs would skyrocket rise due to the wasted, unproductive time spent standing in line and would get passed onto customers by way of higher fees tacked onto your tickets and higher cost of goods at airport stores and restaurants. Do you really want to pay a significant amount extra just so you can feel like you're 'equal' to the employees? Does it similarly bother you that they have keys that give them access to places they don't allow you to go? Does it bother you that they get to park in employee parking lots and you have to go use the pay lot? Does it bother you that they have places to hang out and have lunch and perhaps even use the toilet that are off limits to you? You know that they're just laughing behind your back, saying "We're more special than kinev, let that arse stand in line a bit longer so we can cut in front of him."

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
If all the employees had to wait in line for a half hour each working day, then it would cost you more to fly and buy anything at the airport. Labor costs would skyrocket rise due to the wasted, unproductive time spent standing in line and would get passed onto customers by way of higher fees tacked onto your tickets and higher cost of goods at airport stores and restaurants. Do you really want to pay a significant amount extra just so you can feel like you're 'equal' to the employees? Does it similarly bother you that they have keys that give them access to places they don't allow you to go? Does it bother you that they get to park in employee parking lots and you have to go use the pay lot? Does it bother you that they have places to hang out and have lunch and perhaps even use the toilet that are off limits to you? You know that they're just laughing behind your back, saying "We're more special than kinev, let that arse stand in line a bit longer so we can cut in front of him."

If I'm understanding him correctly, he wants them to wait in line off the clock (before their shift starts). :laugh: All airport employees must arrive 1-2 hours early, because you never know how long the line is.

 

[Bryophyte]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: Bryophyte
If all the employees had to wait in line for a half hour each working day, then it would cost you more to fly and buy anything at the airport. Labor costs would skyrocket rise due to the wasted, unproductive time spent standing in line and would get passed onto customers by way of higher fees tacked onto your tickets and higher cost of goods at airport stores and restaurants. Do you really want to pay a significant amount extra just so you can feel like you're 'equal' to the employees? Does it similarly bother you that they have keys that give them access to places they don't allow you to go? Does it bother you that they get to park in employee parking lots and you have to go use the pay lot? Does it bother you that they have places to hang out and have lunch and perhaps even use the toilet that are off limits to you? You know that they're just laughing behind your back, saying "We're more special than kinev, let that arse stand in line a bit longer so we can cut in front of him."

If I'm understanding him correctly, he wants them to wait in line off the clock (before their shift starts). :laugh: All airport employees must arrive 1-2 hours early, because you never know how long the line is.

IIRC, many airport/airline employees are in unions. Wonder how long they'd get away without paying them for time spent waiting in lines? :laugh: