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Skel

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Oh, no.... not at all.... Even with the problems of the Alien 3 storyline, at least it attempted to keep in line with the atmosphere of Alien and Aliens - A:R was simply goofy all around.....

\I use the A:R blu-ray disc as a drink coaster...

3 had a lot of problems with it story wise, as has been pointed out. I agree it tried to hold onto the first alien movie where there was one, and you didn’t have a clue where it’ll pop up next. 4 on the other hand was only good for pointing out that not everything Joss Whedon does is good, in fact some of the things he does just plain suck. And before his legions start up, I’ve heard him agree that it sucked from the start, and it wasn’t all the directors and everyone else’s fault.
 

Arkaign

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Alien 8/10 : Classic.
Aliens 9.5/10 : A nearly perfect Sci-Fi Action Thriller
Alien 3 3.5/10 : Total garbage
Alien Resurrection : 5/10 Somewhat watchable, but still unworthy of the first two
AVP : -Infinity/10 : The fuck is this shit? Horrible. Makes Alien3 look like the fucking Godfather part II.
 

Ichinisan

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Alien 8/10 : Classic.
Aliens 9.5/10 : A nearly perfect Sci-Fi Action Thriller
Alien 3 3.5/10 : Total garbage
Alien Resurrection : 5/10 Somewhat watchable, but still unworthy of the first two
AVP : -Infinity/10 : The fuck is this shit? Horrible. Makes Alien3 look like the fucking Godfather part II.
AVP2 : ?/10
Predators : ?/10
Need a couple more ratings for the ones I haven't seen.
 

Via

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Predators is ok, nothing earth shatteringly good but worth the time. I would give it a 7/10. Seeing a buff Adrian Brody trying with all of his might to come across as an action hero is chuckle-worthy, but it only distracted me for a bit, and then I forgot about it and just tried to enjoy the movie.

The movie does have one really good twist that I didn't see coming in a million years. I gave it a pat on the back for blindsiding me like that.
 

jman19

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Jim Cameron bought in the Alien Queen even if went against the life cycle laid down by Ridley Scott's film...

It doesn't go directly against Ridley's groundwork (assuming you're talking about the theatrical cut ()).
 

FallenHero

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Predators is ok, nothing earth shatteringly good but worth the time. I would give it a 7/10. Seeing a buff Adrian Brody trying with all of his might to come across as an action hero is chuckle-worthy, but it only distracted me for a bit, and then I forgot about it and just tried to enjoy the movie.

The movie does have one really good twist that I didn't see coming in a million years. I gave it a pat on the back for blindsiding me like that.

Yeah it is a good mindless action flick.

I still do not for the life of me understand why they have yet to make an AvP or another Aliens with THE FUCKING COLONIAL MARINES! God damnit people! I want a squad of 20 marines kicking ass and dying in glorious battle, not some soccer mom or a bunch of criminal idiots being slaughtered and crying.
 

Gibsons

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkaign View Post
Alien 8/10 : Classic.
Aliens 9.5/10 : A nearly perfect Sci-Fi Action Thriller
Alien 3 3.5/10 : Total garbage
Alien Resurrection : 5/10 Somewhat watchable, but still unworthy of the first two
AVP : -Infinity/10 : The fuck is this shit? Horrible. Makes Alien3 look like the fucking Godfather part II.
AVP2 : ?/10
Predators : ?/10

Need a couple more ratings for the ones I haven't seen.

I'd rate Predators a 7.5 maybe even an 8. It was fun, but nothing special. But I'd have to bump Alien up to at least 8.5, because it was better than Predators.

I disliked AVP, so never saw avp2 (requiem?).
 

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Alien Resurrection sucked!

It's an Alien trilogy to me.

The reason the alien in Alien 3 eats people is because it's different, it was born from a dog or cow (directors cut).
 

preslove

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3 had a lot of problems with it story wise, as has been pointed out. I agree it tried to hold onto the first alien movie where there was one, and you didn’t have a clue where it’ll pop up next. 4 on the other hand was only good for pointing out that not everything Joss Whedon does is good, in fact some of the things he does just plain suck. And before his legions start up, I’ve heard him agree that it sucked from the start, and it wasn’t all the directors and everyone else’s fault.

Uh... writers have very little say in the final product of a movie. From wikipedia:

Impressed with his work as a screenwriter, 20th Century Fox hired Joss Whedon to write the film's script. Whedon's initial screenplay had a third act on Earth, with a final battle for Earth itself.[4] Whedon wrote five versions of the final act, none of which ended up in the film.[4]

The studio initially imagined that the film would center around a clone of the character Newt from Aliens, as the Ellen Ripley character had died at the end of Alien 3. Whedon composed a thirty-page treatment surrounding this idea before being informed that the studio, though impressed with his script, now intended to base the story on a clone of Ripley who they saw as the anchor of the series.[5] Whedon had to rewrite the script in a way that would bring back the Ripley character, a task he found difficult. The idea of cloning was suggested by producers David Giler and Walter Hill, who opposed the production of Alien Resurrection as they thought it would ruin the franchise

The movie's torturous development doomed it from the start.
 

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Whenever I feel geeky, I can come to a thread like this and totally recalibrate my perception.
 

JimKiler

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Uh... writers have very little say in the final product of a movie. From wikipedia:

Impressed with his work as a screenwriter, 20th Century Fox hired Joss Whedon to write the film's script. Whedon's initial screenplay had a third act on Earth, with a final battle for Earth itself.[4] Whedon wrote five versions of the final act, none of which ended up in the film.[4]

The studio initially imagined that the film would center around a clone of the character Newt from Aliens, as the Ellen Ripley character had died at the end of Alien 3. Whedon composed a thirty-page treatment surrounding this idea before being informed that the studio, though impressed with his script, now intended to base the story on a clone of Ripley who they saw as the anchor of the series.[5] Whedon had to rewrite the script in a way that would bring back the Ripley character, a task he found difficult. The idea of cloning was suggested by producers David Giler and Walter Hill, who opposed the production of Alien Resurrection as they thought it would ruin the franchise



The movie's torturous development doomed it from the start.

Thanks for sharing. I totally forgot about the hybrid alien/human at the end with the mother baby bond part making me laugh in the theater. At least if David Fincher did not get it write he still has the brooding atmosphere. Not his best work but better than 4 and the two AvP movies.

That was a bad movie and I did not know Joss Whedon wrote it. I only remember liking the director Jean-Pierre Jeunet after seeing Delicatessen and while i did not watch all of City of Lost Children, it was visually stimulating. At least he redeemed himself with Amelie. And Joss has more than made up for writing Alien 4.
 

zinfamous

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WUT. I liked the Terminator: Salvation quite a bit actually.

it was somewhat decent for a dumb, yet highly forgettable action romp. (it is, at the very least, entertaining).

But it is very much not a Terminator film. The terminator story works on one simple, yet universal and powerful trope: we do not yet know what the future brings. What can we do, to shape it?

the newest film does not take place in present day. There is, no longer, that ever-looming spectre of a future that we do not yet know. This is why that movie is not a terminator film--it fundamentally rejects the most engaging aspect of the myth. It, like Aliens (compared to Alien), is no longer sci-fi--it is simply dumb (and mostly pointless), action.

The last good Terminator stuff was The Sarah Conner Chronicles which, mercifully, takes place between T2 and T3.
 

Skel

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it was somewhat decent for a dumb, yet highly forgettable action romp. (it is, at the very least, entertaining).

But it is very much not a Terminator film. The terminator story works on one simple, yet universal and powerful trope: we do not yet know what the future brings. What can we do, to shape it?

the newest film does not take place in present day. There is, no longer, that ever-looming spectre of a future that we do not yet know. This is why that movie is not a terminator film--it fundamentally rejects the most engaging aspect of the myth. It, like Aliens (compared to Alien), is no longer sci-fi--it is simply dumb (and mostly pointless), action.

The last good Terminator stuff was The Sarah Conner Chronicles which, mercifully, takes place between T2 and T3.

So because they decided to explore a different area of the Terminator universe, one that’s not a rehash of the first one, it’s not a Terminator movie?
 

zinfamous

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So because they decided to explore a different area of the Terminator universe, one that’s not a rehash of the first one, it’s not a Terminator movie?

2 and 3 are not rehashes of the first one. They are action/sci-fi. The first is a classic horror film, with solid sci-fi elements.

Salvation explores an element of the terminator world that is, essentially, needlessly explored. Simply: the concept works because we don't know what will happen. That's what I'm saying. This is how a story ceases to be sci fi (it is not asking questions), and devolves into dumb action schlock.
 

Via

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Aliens is on right now, so I'm sort of half watching it.

I have another question: after the marines wake up from cryosleep (or whatever they call it) they eat a meal and have some conversation.

One of the topics they banter about is some sort of androgenous alien that they've all slept with ("it doesn't matter if it's male or female").

Isn't that kind of weird? In no other Alien movie (or the rest of this one) is there any reference to alien species that interact with humans in any normal sort of way.

I think that whole thing was probably from an earlier, much rougher draft of the screenplay and the writers and editors just sort of kept letting it slip through because they thought it was funny.

(In my best Tosh voice) ..... and isn't a little racist that the only black grunt is the one who talks about boning aliens the second he wakes up form hypersleep?
 

Ichinisan

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Aliens is on right now, so I'm sort of half watching it.

I have another question: after the marines wake up from cryosleep (or whatever they call it) they eat a meal and have some conversation.

One of the topics they banter about is some sort of androgenous alien that they've all slept with ("it doesn't matter if it's male or female").

Isn't that kind of weird? In no other Alien movie (or the rest of this one) is there any reference to alien species that interact with humans in any normal sort of way.

I think that whole thing was probably from an earlier, much rougher draft of the screenplay and the writers and editors just sort of kept letting it slip through because they thought it was funny.

(In my best Tosh voice) ..... and isn't a little racist that the only black grunt is the one who talks about boning aliens the second he wakes up form hypersleep?
I assumed they're referring to a group of engineered humans or androids.
 

Dari

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Wasn't Aliens 3 the one movie that was one and off for years? And, yes, it did suck.
 

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I got my Alien Anthology Blu-Ray set in a few weeks ago and finally had a chance to watch Alien last night. Not really Alien related...but there is a THX demo at the end of the credits that almost destroyed my house. The LFE on that thing is redonk. It's not the normal THX thing...this has an animated cartoon of flower things popping and playing like horn instruments.

If you want to turn your subwoofers into quivering piles of goo, pumel your foundation into rubble, and find your cat adhered to the ceiling skip to the end of this movie and blast that demo.

Holy balls.
 

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Loved Alien Resurrection. Johner is classic.

I liked it too. Fun movie.

Alien is a 10/10 movie even all these years later. Simply amazing. Can't wait for Prometheus with Scott.

KT
 

zinfamous

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I got my Alien Anthology Blu-Ray set in a few weeks ago and finally had a chance to watch Alien last night. Not really Alien related...but there is a THX demo at the end of the credits that almost destroyed my house. The LFE on that thing is redonk. It's not the normal THX thing...this has an animated cartoon of flower things popping and playing like horn instruments.

If you want to turn your subwoofers into quivering piles of goo, pumel your foundation into rubble, and find your cat adhered to the ceiling skip to the end of this movie and blast that demo.

Holy balls.

sound-mixing these days is horribly bad. I've no idea why the industry thinks that LFE is the only channel that matters.
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