question about ATi crossfire technology

[biostud]

Originally posted by: ericlala
What is Crossfire?

ATi's version of SLI

 

[flatblastard]

Originally posted by: Bar81
You obviously have no clue about promoting a product. The only thing incredibly stupid would be your brilliant idea to have ATI help sell nvidia products. I guess by your genius logic then nvidia should enable its SLI technology to work in Intel boards. Oh wait, they haven't done that have they? What a bunch of idiots? You better email them and tell them how to properly manage their product </sarcasm>

Dude, you ever heard of nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition? Someone who is so "aware" surely would have heard of these motherboards.

 

[stevty2889]

Video card price ~$500, chipest price ~$50. Now where do you think ATI makes it real money from? Why would they not want to sell more video cards by allowing them to work with Nvidia chipsets, when they make far more money with the video card, than they do the chipset, half of which(their south bridge) is buggy and has problems. Yeah, look at Intel, boy look at all the money they aren't making, by allowing ATI, Nvidia, Uli, VIA, and SIS to make chipsets compatible with their CPU's...

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Matthias99

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Matthias99

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You have NO CLUE about marketing and you're wrong on everything. The fact that you aren't "aware" of all these commonly known facts about SLI and Xfire should cause you to think maybe you shouldn't be commenting on things you're not "aware" of.

Certainly a compelling argument there. :roll:

a good portion of the market is nvidia based sli motherboards, no reason to lose out on possible revenue, motherboard chipsets are not that profitable when compared to the high end graphics cards.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: flatblastard

Originally posted by: Bar81
You obviously have no clue about promoting a product. The only thing incredibly stupid would be your brilliant idea to have ATI help sell nvidia products. I guess by your genius logic then nvidia should enable its SLI technology to work in Intel boards. Oh wait, they haven't done that have they? What a bunch of idiots? You better email them and tell them how to properly manage their product </sarcasm>

Dude, you ever heard of nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition? Someone who is so "aware" surely would have heard of these motherboards.

Yeah genius, but apparently you STILL haven't heard that those nvidia "Intel" SLI boards are powered by nvidia chipsets.

 

[Bar81]

Originally posted by: stevty2889
Video card price ~$500, chipest price ~$50. Now where do you think ATI makes it real money from? Why would they not want to sell more video cards by allowing them to work with Nvidia chipsets, when they make far more money with the video card, than they do the chipset, half of which(their south bridge) is buggy and has problems. Yeah, look at Intel, boy look at all the money they aren't making, by allowing ATI, Nvidia, Uli, VIA, and SIS to make chipsets compatible with their CPU's...

First off, since no final silicon exists of the ATI Xfire mobos we don't know if they're buggy or not. Irrespective of that issue, mobo partners are free to use the stable and excellent performing ULi southbridge on the boards.

And, genius #2, Intel allows all the other chipset vendors to offer chipsets for their CPUs because, and read carefully here, THEY MAKE MONEY ON EVERY CHIPSET SOLD DUE TO LICENSING FEES, which means, that THEY MAKE MONEY ON EVERY CHIPSET SOLD WHETHER IT IS PRODUCED BY INTEL OR OTHERWISE. ATI on the other hand would not make any money from enabling Xfire on nvidia chipsets as nvidia won't pay ATI a dime for the feature.

And on a general note, you guys really need to stop commenting on things you don't understand. Marketing and product promotion seem to be concepts well beyond the majority of posters in this thread. You may understand the basic technology but you sure as hell don't have a clue on how to push it in the market with a complimentary product while also damaging your main competitor.

 

[Rock Hydra]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: Matthias99

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You have NO CLUE about marketing and you're wrong on everything. The fact that you aren't "aware" of all these commonly known facts about SLI and Xfire should cause you to think maybe you shouldn't be commenting on things you're not "aware" of.

I think it would be quite advantageous to include any chipset. nVIDIA gets a measly income, while ATI gains a large profit due to the fact that somone will likely purchase 2 ATI cards to run their rig off of. An yes, nVIDIA is going to support SLI on Intel P4 chipsets fully in and upcoming driver release.

 

[Matthias99]

Originally posted by: Bar81
How is it my fault that you don't know how to use google or read. Here's an article from TODAY as ONE of many examples on the topic at hand:

http://www.hexus.net/content/reviews/review.php?dXJsX3Jldmlld19JRD0xMjI1

Maybe you should polish up those reading skills yourself:

...confirmed to us today that they have NVIDIA's SLI up and running on their own core logic, and that they've submitted the beast to NVIDIA for full SLI certification, in anticipation of a public driver download that'll let it work.

The articles I had read earlier implied NVIDIA was only stopping SLI from working on modded NF4s. What they actually did was to stop it from working on anything that's not "SLI Certified". However, other companies can still get their products certified, as VIA is doing, and Intel will certainly do once there are dual-PEG 955X chipsets available. So NVIDIA *is* allowing SLI to be used on other companies' chipsets, just not until they've OKed it.

And I did Google this. I couldn't find anything that said NVIDIA was flat-out not allowing SLI to be used on competitive chipsets, probably because it's not true.

And on a general note, you guys really need to stop commenting on things you don't understand. Marketing and product promotion seem to be concepts well beyond the majority of posters in this thread. You may understand the basic technology but you sure as hell don't have a clue on how to push it in the market with a complimentary product while also damaging your main competitor.

You can't effectively push something with a complimentary product when the complimentary product has very little market share right now. You'll cripple your sales of the product you're trying to push. What little damage they might do to NVIDIA -- who can already offer an alternative that works on their hardware -- would not make up for the lost sales.

If CrossFire was twice as fast as NVIDIA SLI, or ATI chipsets had 50+% of the market, I could see letting them only work with each other as a marketing strategy (I still think they'd make more money by having CrossFire work on any platform, but that's more debatable). But since there does not appear to be a dominating technical advantage over SLI, and NVIDIA has most of the enthusiast chipset market at the moment, there would be little incentive for NVIDIA customers to switch away, especially if they already own an (expensive) NVIDIA SLI motherboard. They'd do nothing but needlessly cut into their video card sales.

 

[flatblastard]

Originally posted by: Bar81

Originally posted by: flatblastard

Originally posted by: Bar81
You obviously have no clue about promoting a product. The only thing incredibly stupid would be your brilliant idea to have ATI help sell nvidia products. I guess by your genius logic then nvidia should enable its SLI technology to work in Intel boards. Oh wait, they haven't done that have they? What a bunch of idiots? You better email them and tell them how to properly manage their product </sarcasm>

Dude, you ever heard of nForce 4 SLI Intel Edition? Someone who is so "aware" surely would have heard of these motherboards.

Yeah genius, but apparently you STILL haven't heard that those nvidia "Intel" SLI boards are powered by nvidia chipsets.

Glad to see you were actually paying attention, however, the fact remains that they are Intel boards with SLI, regardless of the chipset.

Edited text in bold

 

[Googer]

Originally posted by: kingpinGTI
from what it looks like and what i understand the board only needs 2 PCI-Ex16 slots to run crossfire... correct me if i'm wrong but shouldn't the DFI NF4 ultraD be "crossfire ready", or is ATI going to make it proprietary technology in their R200 crossfire motherboards?

Originally posted by: ericlala
What is Crossfire?

http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20050602/index.html