Question about cars at altitude

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I took my car up the mountian today and right about at the 9000' level it started choking and grumbling... Then it died.

I got it running again, barely... it wasn't happy... and turned around. By the 8000' level things were fine again. I made one more run up the mountain and at the same spot, same thing.

Ever heard of this?

Oh... '02 Mercedes, C-230 Kompressor.

 

Heisenberg

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Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust. Normally aspirated engines lose power the higher you go.
 
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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.

 

Heisenberg

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.
 
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I think its also possible that something started to bubble, and your car might have gotten a mechanical version of the bends. This is just thinking off the top of my head of course.

The main problem is probably with the lack of oxygen. And Cars all have different compressors, which leads to different performance at different altitudes.
 
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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.
Yeah... might be time to put that warranty to work...
 

SVT Cobra

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.

Let?s start by noting air is the working medium of internal combustion engines, and the more air (mass of air) processed by the engine, the more power it will make. We also all know air density decreases with elevation, so engines lose power the higher they operate.
Let?s also note supercharged and turbocharged engines are naturally aspirated upstream of the supercharger or turbo. In other words, we?re still relying on something (atmospheric pressure) to drive the air into the blower or turbo. So, the higher we go, the less power the engine makes unless something changes to process more air through the engine. As you noted, the naturally aspirated engine loses power because it can?t process any more air?the engine can?t magically grow displacement or increase rpm. Likewise, a mechanically driven supercharged engine doesn?t get any larger, doesn?t rev any higher nor does the supercharger turn any faster. Therefore, the mechanically supercharged engine doesn?t process any more air and begins losing power as it rises above sea level just as a naturally aspirated engine does. This effect is typically masked in automobiles because the supercharged engines have so much power at sea level that it?s easy to use full throttle earlier and longer while driving in the mountains and not notice the difference. The same is true of turbocharged engines, except for one thing. Turbocharged auto­motive engines are often fitted with relatively large turbos with excess capacity at sea level, plus a wastegate to limit turbo boost. Take such a car into the hills and the wastegate simply stays closed earlier and longer, and voilà, a sea-level air mass is forced into the engine. Well, it is until the engine?s critical elevation is reached; that?s where the turbo system runs out of capacity due to its sizing, or insufficient atmospheric pressure to feed it, and then only sea level or less power is possible. The important point is a forced-induction system has to increase speed or have reserve capacity to maintain sea-level horsepower at altitude. This can be done with a mechanically driven supercharger if fitted with a transmission (once common on aircraft), or as we saw, more easily with a turbo. Likewise, some turbo systems are carefully sized to limit sea-level boost to a predetermined level and have no wastegate. Such engines cannot spin the turbo faster or earlier, and they lose power with elevation starting immediately. But again, they likely have so much power to start with, you can use more throttle earlier and not notice any drop for the first 2000 to 3000 feet of elevation.
 
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Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.

Let?s start by noting air is the working medium of internal combustion engines, and the more air (mass of air) processed by the engine, the more power it will make. We also all know air density decreases with elevation, so engines lose power the higher they operate.
Let?s also note supercharged and turbocharged engines are naturally aspirated upstream of the supercharger or turbo. In other words, we?re still relying on something (atmospheric pressure) to drive the air into the blower or turbo. So, the higher we go, the less power the engine makes unless something changes to process more air through the engine. As you noted, the naturally aspirated engine loses power because it can?t process any more air?the engine can?t magically grow displacement or increase rpm. Likewise, a mechanically driven supercharged engine doesn?t get any larger, doesn?t rev any higher nor does the supercharger turn any faster. Therefore, the mechanically supercharged engine doesn?t process any more air and begins losing power as it rises above sea level just as a naturally aspirated engine does. This effect is typically masked in automobiles because the supercharged engines have so much power at sea level that it?s easy to use full throttle earlier and longer while driving in the mountains and not notice the difference. The same is true of turbocharged engines, except for one thing. Turbocharged auto­motive engines are often fitted with relatively large turbos with excess capacity at sea level, plus a wastegate to limit turbo boost. Take such a car into the hills and the wastegate simply stays closed earlier and longer, and voilà, a sea-level air mass is forced into the engine. Well, it is until the engine?s critical elevation is reached; that?s where the turbo system runs out of capacity due to its sizing, or insufficient atmospheric pressure to feed it, and then only sea level or less power is possible. The important point is a forced-induction system has to increase speed or have reserve capacity to maintain sea-level horsepower at altitude. This can be done with a mechanically driven supercharger if fitted with a transmission (once common on aircraft), or as we saw, more easily with a turbo. Likewise, some turbo systems are carefully sized to limit sea-level boost to a predetermined level and have no wastegate. Such engines cannot spin the turbo faster or earlier, and they lose power with elevation starting immediately. But again, they likely have so much power to start with, you can use more throttle earlier and not notice any drop for the first 2000 to 3000 feet of elevation.
:laugh: Wow.

I think I understand now. My car's supercharger was able to mask the normal power loss one would experience in the mountains. But at a certain point it couldn't compress enough air and that's when I encountered the failure. (???)

So my question is, how can all these Jeeps, PT Cruisers and other rental cars make it up this mountain every day with no difficulty? (I've done it in a rental and had no problem whatsoever)

Is the effect that keeps my car zooming at 2000' the same one that caused it to crap out at 9000'? Once it gets so high the SC becomes completely ineffective and starts delivering less air to my engine than an non-SC engine?
 

SVT Cobra

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.

Let?s start by noting air is the working medium of internal combustion engines, and the more air (mass of air) processed by the engine, the more power it will make. We also all know air density decreases with elevation, so engines lose power the higher they operate.
Let?s also note supercharged and turbocharged engines are naturally aspirated upstream of the supercharger or turbo. In other words, we?re still relying on something (atmospheric pressure) to drive the air into the blower or turbo. So, the higher we go, the less power the engine makes unless something changes to process more air through the engine. As you noted, the naturally aspirated engine loses power because it can?t process any more air?the engine can?t magically grow displacement or increase rpm. Likewise, a mechanically driven supercharged engine doesn?t get any larger, doesn?t rev any higher nor does the supercharger turn any faster. Therefore, the mechanically supercharged engine doesn?t process any more air and begins losing power as it rises above sea level just as a naturally aspirated engine does. This effect is typically masked in automobiles because the supercharged engines have so much power at sea level that it?s easy to use full throttle earlier and longer while driving in the mountains and not notice the difference. The same is true of turbocharged engines, except for one thing. Turbocharged auto­motive engines are often fitted with relatively large turbos with excess capacity at sea level, plus a wastegate to limit turbo boost. Take such a car into the hills and the wastegate simply stays closed earlier and longer, and voilà, a sea-level air mass is forced into the engine. Well, it is until the engine?s critical elevation is reached; that?s where the turbo system runs out of capacity due to its sizing, or insufficient atmospheric pressure to feed it, and then only sea level or less power is possible. The important point is a forced-induction system has to increase speed or have reserve capacity to maintain sea-level horsepower at altitude. This can be done with a mechanically driven supercharger if fitted with a transmission (once common on aircraft), or as we saw, more easily with a turbo. Likewise, some turbo systems are carefully sized to limit sea-level boost to a predetermined level and have no wastegate. Such engines cannot spin the turbo faster or earlier, and they lose power with elevation starting immediately. But again, they likely have so much power to start with, you can use more throttle earlier and not notice any drop for the first 2000 to 3000 feet of elevation.
:laugh: Wow.

I think I understand now. My car's supercharger was able to mask the normal power loss one would experience in the mountains. But at a certain point it couldn't compress enough air and that's when I encountered the failure. (???)

So my question is, how can all these Jeeps, PT Cruisers and other rental cars make it up this mountain every day with no difficulty? (I've done it in a rental and had no problem whatsoever)

Is the effect that keeps my car zooming at 2000' the same one that caused it to crap out at 9000'? Once it gets so high the SC becomes completely ineffective and starts delivering less air to my engine than an non-SC engine?

It is because of your mass airflow sensor. First, it could probably use a good cleaning. Take off the couplet that contains the sensor and spray it down with some electronic cleaner. Your car stalled because your MAS is set for optimal o2 mixture to give the supercharger the best amount of boost at sea level at full throttle. The super charger was running because your call was under full load but was not delivering the right amount of air, so you stalled. Your car stalled because of the sensor, not any mechanical problems. I have to have my car retuned and have the mass air flow or oxygen sensors changed to different levels everytime I mod my car with a different cold air intake/exhuast/throttle body/etc or else it stalls out between 2nd and 3rd gear.
 

Rogodin2

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The microchips that control your air/fuel ratio should be able to compensate for such a gain in vertical.

Something is screwed up.

Rogo
 

SVT Cobra

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Originally posted by: Rogodin2
The microchips that control your air/fuel ratio should be able to compensate for such a gain in vertical.

Something is screwed up.

Rogo

Not necessarily in a belt driven supercharged engine. I am not familiar with his car, but I know my car and other super charged cars I have worked on have had this problem, and have no such sensor for high altitudes.
 

Rogodin2

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Not necessarily in a belt driven supercharged engine. I am not familiar with his car, but I know my car and other super charged cars I have worked on have had this problem, and have no such sensor for high altitudes.

The crank is what drives the SCP and it is monitored.

I'm dead sure that Mercedes has an alt sensor built upon the crank and the sc pulley da.

Rogo

 

BoomerD

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Somethings definitely not right if your car couldn't make it to the top of Hale'akala...freakin tour busses, and all sorts of junker cars make that drive daily. Time to put it in the shop and get things running right...
Turbocharged or not, 10K' isn't so much that the car SHOULDN'T be able to easily make the drive. YES, the air is thinner, so it MAY not have as much power, but it SHOULD still run more than well enough to make that drive.
IMO, time for a drive to Kahalui, unless there's a reputable independent in your area.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Somethings definitely not right if your car couldn't make it to the top of Hale'akala...freakin tour busses, and all sorts of junker cars make that drive daily. Time to put it in the shop and get things running right...
Turbocharged or not, 10K' isn't so much that the car SHOULDN'T be able to easily make the drive. YES, the air is thinner, so it MAY not have as much power, but it SHOULD still run more than well enough to make that drive.
IMO, time for a drive to Kahalui, unless there's a reputable independent in your area.

Hah, good point... My father-in-law's minivan can make it to 10k feet with no problem.
 
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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Somethings definitely not right if your car couldn't make it to the top of Hale'akala...freakin tour busses, and all sorts of junker cars make that drive daily. Time to put it in the shop and get things running right...
Turbocharged or not, 10K' isn't so much that the car SHOULDN'T be able to easily make the drive. YES, the air is thinner, so it MAY not have as much power, but it SHOULD still run more than well enough to make that drive.
IMO, time for a drive to Kahalui, unless there's a reputable independent in your area.
(Notice I was nice enough to leave that part out. )

That's what I thought too. I'd bet that SVT Cobra nailed it. Considering the environment the car is in there's no telling the condition of that sensor. It's due for a service in another 1000 or so miles. I'll have them check it then.



It was funny. I had my dog with me. The higher we got, the harder he was breathing. Poor guy. Other than the plane ride over here I don't think he's been over 1000' in his life.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.
Wrong. A supercharger does not compensate for altitude loss. It provides a constant amount of boost above atmospheric. At sea level it provides X PSI above sea level pressure. At 9000 feet it provides X PSI above 9000 foot pressure. A supercharged car loses power at the same rate as a naturally-aspirated vehicle since the supercharger cannot spin faster to compensate.

A turbocharger with a wastegate can compensate to a point (at some point boost will fall off here too when the wastegate's leeway is used up).

ZV
 

piasabird

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I am guessing this is a diesel.

Modern diesel cars often are more complicated to meet the EPA Standards. This might be some kind of Computer Glitch. Often there are recalls just to reprogram a computer problem. You might want to ask a dealer about this. It is not like there are no mountains in Europe.

Sometimes some cars have programs in the computer/s that try to correct for driving conditions and habits. So if you never drive in the mountains or higher elevations maybe the car is not use to it. I have heard that sometimes if you disconnect the battery for about half an hour that you can force the cars computer to reset to factory defaults. This is what the car guys on the radio sometimes suggest. Of course you could also have a sensor that is not working or some loose connections to one of the sensors.
 

Mxylplyx

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.

Let?s start by noting air is the working medium of internal combustion engines, and the more air (mass of air) processed by the engine, the more power it will make. We also all know air density decreases with elevation, so engines lose power the higher they operate.
Let?s also note supercharged and turbocharged engines are naturally aspirated upstream of the supercharger or turbo. In other words, we?re still relying on something (atmospheric pressure) to drive the air into the blower or turbo. So, the higher we go, the less power the engine makes unless something changes to process more air through the engine. As you noted, the naturally aspirated engine loses power because it can?t process any more air?the engine can?t magically grow displacement or increase rpm. Likewise, a mechanically driven supercharged engine doesn?t get any larger, doesn?t rev any higher nor does the supercharger turn any faster. Therefore, the mechanically supercharged engine doesn?t process any more air and begins losing power as it rises above sea level just as a naturally aspirated engine does. This effect is typically masked in automobiles because the supercharged engines have so much power at sea level that it?s easy to use full throttle earlier and longer while driving in the mountains and not notice the difference. The same is true of turbocharged engines, except for one thing. Turbocharged auto­motive engines are often fitted with relatively large turbos with excess capacity at sea level, plus a wastegate to limit turbo boost. Take such a car into the hills and the wastegate simply stays closed earlier and longer, and voilà, a sea-level air mass is forced into the engine. Well, it is until the engine?s critical elevation is reached; that?s where the turbo system runs out of capacity due to its sizing, or insufficient atmospheric pressure to feed it, and then only sea level or less power is possible. The important point is a forced-induction system has to increase speed or have reserve capacity to maintain sea-level horsepower at altitude. This can be done with a mechanically driven supercharger if fitted with a transmission (once common on aircraft), or as we saw, more easily with a turbo. Likewise, some turbo systems are carefully sized to limit sea-level boost to a predetermined level and have no wastegate. Such engines cannot spin the turbo faster or earlier, and they lose power with elevation starting immediately. But again, they likely have so much power to start with, you can use more throttle earlier and not notice any drop for the first 2000 to 3000 feet of elevation.
:laugh: Wow.

I think I understand now. My car's supercharger was able to mask the normal power loss one would experience in the mountains. But at a certain point it couldn't compress enough air and that's when I encountered the failure. (???)

So my question is, how can all these Jeeps, PT Cruisers and other rental cars make it up this mountain every day with no difficulty? (I've done it in a rental and had no problem whatsoever)

Is the effect that keeps my car zooming at 2000' the same one that caused it to crap out at 9000'? Once it gets so high the SC becomes completely ineffective and starts delivering less air to my engine than an non-SC engine?

They also have lower octane gas in these areas that helps with the higher altitides. I think its as low as 83. I was climbing a mountain near Denver in a 92' Sentra with 87 octane, and i was getting smoked by everyone.

 

91TTZ

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I think there is something wrong with your car.


Of course your engine is going to lose power as you go up in altitude, you're not going to get around that. But it should be able to run right and not stall. Modern cars depend on the ECU programming to accommodate for different conditions. Once the sensors indicate a condition that's out of the programmed range, it won't run right.

For instance, my car's stock boost is around 11 psi. The ECU knows what to do with this much airflow, and can even handle a bit more. But once you increase your boost, it gets out of range. The fuel/air map in the ECU doesn't extend that far, so it doesn't know how much fuel to inject with that volume of air. Its built-in failsafe is to hold the injectors open at full duty cycle and go completely rich. Obviously the car isn't going to run right like this, but it's better than leaning out.

With that said, most cars should be able to go up to 9000 feet without a problem. Plenty of cars go up Pike's Peak, and that's 14110 feet. If it was a programming issue and couldn't handle 9000 feet of altitude, you'd see a bunch of dead Mercedes on the road up to Pike's peak at the 9000 foot level.
 

FilmCamera

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Originally posted by: Mxylplyx
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: SVT Cobra
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.

Let?s start by noting air is the working medium of internal combustion engines, and the more air (mass of air) processed by the engine, the more power it will make. We also all know air density decreases with elevation, so engines lose power the higher they operate.
Let?s also note supercharged and turbocharged engines are naturally aspirated upstream of the supercharger or turbo. In other words, we?re still relying on something (atmospheric pressure) to drive the air into the blower or turbo. So, the higher we go, the less power the engine makes unless something changes to process more air through the engine. As you noted, the naturally aspirated engine loses power because it can?t process any more air?the engine can?t magically grow displacement or increase rpm. Likewise, a mechanically driven supercharged engine doesn?t get any larger, doesn?t rev any higher nor does the supercharger turn any faster. Therefore, the mechanically supercharged engine doesn?t process any more air and begins losing power as it rises above sea level just as a naturally aspirated engine does. This effect is typically masked in automobiles because the supercharged engines have so much power at sea level that it?s easy to use full throttle earlier and longer while driving in the mountains and not notice the difference. The same is true of turbocharged engines, except for one thing. Turbocharged auto­motive engines are often fitted with relatively large turbos with excess capacity at sea level, plus a wastegate to limit turbo boost. Take such a car into the hills and the wastegate simply stays closed earlier and longer, and voilà, a sea-level air mass is forced into the engine. Well, it is until the engine?s critical elevation is reached; that?s where the turbo system runs out of capacity due to its sizing, or insufficient atmospheric pressure to feed it, and then only sea level or less power is possible. The important point is a forced-induction system has to increase speed or have reserve capacity to maintain sea-level horsepower at altitude. This can be done with a mechanically driven supercharger if fitted with a transmission (once common on aircraft), or as we saw, more easily with a turbo. Likewise, some turbo systems are carefully sized to limit sea-level boost to a predetermined level and have no wastegate. Such engines cannot spin the turbo faster or earlier, and they lose power with elevation starting immediately. But again, they likely have so much power to start with, you can use more throttle earlier and not notice any drop for the first 2000 to 3000 feet of elevation.
:laugh: Wow.

I think I understand now. My car's supercharger was able to mask the normal power loss one would experience in the mountains. But at a certain point it couldn't compress enough air and that's when I encountered the failure. (???)

So my question is, how can all these Jeeps, PT Cruisers and other rental cars make it up this mountain every day with no difficulty? (I've done it in a rental and had no problem whatsoever)

Is the effect that keeps my car zooming at 2000' the same one that caused it to crap out at 9000'? Once it gets so high the SC becomes completely ineffective and starts delivering less air to my engine than an non-SC engine?

They also have lower octane gas in these areas that helps with the higher altitides. I think its as low as 83. I was climbing a mountain near Denver in a 92' Sentra with 87 octane, and i was getting smoked by everyone.

I have a 97 Maxima and it will go over the rockies here just fine and I put in premium 91 octane.
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt


A turbocharger with a wastegate can compensate to a point (at some point boost will fall off here too when the wastegate's leeway is used up).

ZV

This is why you need to be wary of dynos of turbo cars performed in Denver or Albuquerque. Almost all the ones I've seen still apply the standard NA altitude correction to the turbocharged car, resulting in falsely high numbers.

There are many people in the Z scene that posted their charts taken at high altitude, and the numbers are unattainable elsewhere. In reality they should have lower numbers than everyone else since they lose power with altitude. But with the correction factor applied, they're ridiculously high.
 

mercanucaribe

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Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Heisenberg
Higher altitude = lower pressure = less oxygen per unit volume to combust.

That's what I figured but pleanty of other cars seem to make it up to the top. (10,023') Wasn't sure why mine would crap out.
I dunno. You could have a slight problem in something like an O2 sensor that's not an issue at lower elevations, but keeps the PCM from getting the air/fuel mixture right as you go higher.

Edit: Oh the thing is supercharged? That's really odd - a supercharger helps a lot with power loss at altitude.

I don't think a supercharger helps. It just sucks in proportionally less air I'd think, while a turbo would spin faster in thinner air.
 
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