Question about CPU

[NirHahs]

A new generation of intel CPU is just around the corner. Im planning to get a new cpu, i5 4670k haswell. Should I get it or wait for the next generation? This setup are going to be my long term rig and im not going to make any upgrade soon.

 

[zir_blazer]

Broadwell is far from around the corner. And Haswell Refresh seems to be just new models of the same Haswell already available (Usually just 100 MHz more for the same price).

 

[witeken]

Depending on how long you can wait and how much you care about power consumption/efficiency and IGP performance, it might be worth waiting for Broadwell.

 

[BrightCandle]

Haswell-E is around the cornerish in the sense of being half a year away. But its not anything more than a lot more cores.

 

[frozentundra123456]

It might be worth waiting for broadwell for a mobile app, but for desktop, the best I can hope for to see a reason to wait is skylake in 2015. Haswell refresh I only a minor speed bump, and I don't think anyone even knows for sure if broadwell will come to desktop at all.

 

[Hulk]

Usually by this time Anand would have done a "deep dive" on the Broadwell architecture. While this type of article doesn't give hard performance data is does provide a good indication of where the improvements in the new design will be and how extensive.

For example, from the Haswell architecture we new there would be modest improvements to the cpu but more significant upgrades to the gpu.

With all that being said I'm thinking Broadwell will bring very modest CPU performances increases. Perhaps even less than the move from Ivy to Haswell because Haswell received a wider back end, which is a pretty significant architecture change. And even so the performance increase for legacy code was very minimal.

Anand said Broadwell would bring big improvements to the GPU. And from Intel's own demos they are saying 30% decrease in power consumption vs Ivy.

So if I were building a desktop right now I wouldn't hesitate to go with Haswell. For a laptop on the other hand, if I could hold out I'd wait for Broadwell. Which is what I'm doing by the way. I've been hanging in there with a 2006 Dell laptop I upgraded to SSD so I can wait another year.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

A new generation of intel CPU is just around the corner. Im planning to get a new cpu, i5 4670k haswell. Should I get it or wait for the next generation? This setup are going to be my long term rig and im not going to make any upgrade soon.

I think some of us have made a sort of economic argument on this issue based on what type of system you currently have. If you're running a Sandy Bridge or Ivy Bridge system, you might at least wait for Broadwell or Skylake. If you are using an older system, I'd argue that you're perfectly fine building a Haswell system. And I'd throw in some arguments already provided by other posters here.

Ultimately those choices depend on an assessment of what you "need" in your current computing activities, but they also depend on what you "want" and how much you have to spend. As for having a well-padded bank account and shedding computer systems like throwing out last year's business suit to buy a new one, there is still a matter of common sense versus frivolity.

And when it comes to your own money, I might point fingers and criticize, but you have a perfect right to be frivolous with . . . your own money.

 

[escrow4]

Get a 4770 or 4770K and you'll be set till Skylake at least. Thing is, even with Haswell E I doubt games will really take advantage of a hexa core on PC until they become mainstream, not $500 parts. Plus a lot of (casual) gamers are still on dual's, and even those who upgrade a lot, I wouldn't be surprised if they are running quads or hyperthreaded i7's. Its one thing to get heavily multithreaded games, but another to develop for CPUs a lot don't have, at least not yet. And of course, next gen consoles only have 6 1.6GHz or so (tablet) cores at their disposal so a 4770 should be more than sufficient for a long while yet.

Now aside from gaming, if you need the cores then yes I'd wait for Haswell-E. Of course I could be completely wrong and Watch Dogs might run best on a 4960X or Haswell E equivalent and a poor old quad would be barely sufficient. The joys of tech!

 

[craige4u]

I am in the same boat as the OP - I am a gamer and into latest heavy shooters and am ready with 2200$ for an upgrade. But I think if I go with 6 core haswell-e it will be better as I only change my PC every 5years + I want to have DDR4 Ram... Still what u all think does an 4770/90 enough... ?

Also, when can I expect mobos with DDR4 support, its 9 series chipset, isn't it ?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

I am in the same boat as the OP - I am a gamer and into latest heavy shooters and am ready with 2200$ for an upgrade. But I think if I go with 6 core haswell-e it will be better as I only change my PC every 5years + I want to have DDR4 Ram... Still what u all think does an 4770/90 enough... ?

Also, when can I expect mobos with DDR4 support, its 9 series chipset, isn't it ?

I could say on DDR4 -- "Your guess is as good as mine," but we'd seen this phenomenon before as we jumped from DDR to DDR2 to DDR3.

I am only guessing that the DDR4 boards will get their roll-out with Haswell E, but then -- maybe not. That's three-way coordination required in a marketplace. The memory makers have to be "ready to go," the board makers have to be "ready to go."

There is also a prospect of board releases made for DDR3, and possibly even "AC-DC" boards that can swing either way. But the printed wisdom says that DDR4 is going to be "more expensive." "MOre expensive" always occurs with a new memory-standard roll-out.

I'm loosely planning to build a Haswell-E. I had originally planned to build an IB-E system with a "mature" X79 motherboard release. It's a catch-22: the X79 chipset is old -- originally designed for Sandy Bridge E; I have G.SKILL modules ready-to-go for quad-channel X-79; we'd expect Haswell-E to offer some advantages over IB-E. So what do you do?

It's like the end of "Dirty Harry" where Clint taunts the psycho. You're either going to skin that smokewagon now, or bide your time. Frankly -- I'm always uncomfortable when they roll out a new memory spec, but it's happened four or five times in my enthusiast experience, so . . . nothing new.

PS I thought the new chipset for Haswell-E would be named "X99." You can check that, but it's what I recall off top of my head.

 

[NirHahs]

Im currently have i7 2600k running on p8z68 mobo. Is it worth to upgrade?

 

[craige4u]

I thought the new chipset for Haswell-E would be named "X99." You can check that, but it's what I recall off top of my head.

Yup, its X99 and 9 series chipset seems bringing host of technological advancement but not support for DDR4.

Guess its again my start of never ending wait for release of the product as X99 is supposed to be releasing Q3.

BTW, whts the difference between Native support for USB 3.0 (X99 chipset) vs non-native (all current mobos) ?

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Yup, its X99 and 9 series chipset seems bringing host of technological advancement but not support for DDR4.

Guess its again my start of never ending wait for release of the product as X99 is supposed to be releasing Q3.

BTW, whts the difference between Native support for USB 3.0 (X99 chipset) vs non-native (all current mobos) ?

Actually -- that news is good news for me. I've got four good sticks of G.SKILL GBRL "gerbils" DDR3-1600, and I had hoped to use them in an IB-E X79 build this year until I came to my senses about spending money on a system with an archaic chipset. The modules were verified compatible or usable for quad-channel memory. And those modules were reasonably over-clockable.

I thought that "non-native" required the mobo-maker to add the feature through other-than-intel chips -- for instance Asmedia USB 3.0. But maybe I misconstrued something.

Im currently have i7 2600k running on p8z68 mobo. Is it worth to upgrade?

There are enough threads in addition to this one which discuss that issue, and I'm inclined to tell you "No -- it's not worth it unless you just have an itch to build another computer." Others should agree: you've got a few years left for that 2600K, and then some -- depending on how you want to use it in it's final years. And "final years" depends on whether or not you think it can be used for something and less on its natural lifespan.

 

[netxzero64]

A new generation of intel CPU is just around the corner. Im planning to get a new cpu, i5 4670k haswell. Should I get it or wait for the next generation? This setup are going to be my long term rig and im not going to make any upgrade soon.

what is your current setup now? if you're mostly on gaming, first generation i series still kicks ass..

Check this out.
http://www.techbuyersguru.com/i5CPUshootout.php

 

[WTSherman]

Yeah what are are coming from? Today I finally upgraded from a Q9550 I've had since whenever they first came out to a 3570k, the difference is impressive especially since this is my first system with ddr3. That Haswell should be like mine only 5-10% better clock for clock.

 

[tential]

Usually by this time Anand would have done a "deep dive" on the Broadwell architecture. While this type of article doesn't give hard performance data is does provide a good indication of where the improvements in the new design will be and how extensive.

For example, from the Haswell architecture we new there would be modest improvements to the cpu but more significant upgrades to the gpu.

With all that being said I'm thinking Broadwell will bring very modest CPU performances increases. Perhaps even less than the move from Ivy to Haswell because Haswell received a wider back end, which is a pretty significant architecture change. And even so the performance increase for legacy code was very minimal.

Anand said Broadwell would bring big improvements to the GPU. And from Intel's own demos they are saying 30% decrease in power consumption vs Ivy.

So if I were building a desktop right now I wouldn't hesitate to go with Haswell. For a laptop on the other hand, if I could hold out I'd wait for Broadwell. Which is what I'm doing by the way. I've been hanging in there with a 2006 Dell laptop I upgraded to SSD so I can wait another year.

I was going to upgrade my gaming laptop but I decided to wait after I heard Broadwell was so soon after Haswell.
It seems like the holy grail is coming together for Broadwell. Lower power consumption, AGAIN, Nvidia's focus on Performance per Watt so we get a low power consuming graphics card as well? I might be able to replace my gaming laptop with an 8 hour gaming laptop with the release of Broadwell (extremely optimistic), but even now my brother's laptop is "gaming" and lasts 4-6 hours and is very decent.

In fact, if I was Nvidia, I'd work on pushing their new mobile graphics as "Same performance as a PS4/Xbone" for the back to school season coming up and see if they can't push some back to school laptops on kids coming to college or something who can't afford to get a Xbox or PS but who are getting a laptop.

 

[wabbitslayer]

buying a new CPU now is the worst thing you can do, Intel will be releasing a better chip not too far off in the future. Don't buy anything right now.





Over the next few years, come back and re-read this post every six months or so, you will save a TON of money.

 

[harobikes333]

buying a new CPU now is the worst thing you can do, Intel will be releasing a better chip not too far off in the future. Don't buy anything right now.





Over the next few years, come back and re-read this post every six months or so, you will save a TON of money.

THIS
... you can wait & wait & wait &... you get the idea..

 

[mcginnis]

I upgrade about every 2 years and usually don't go for the newest and best. My suggestion is to look at benchmarks to get an idea of the difference in the older chips to the newer. I have an i7 4770k and would've gone with a 3770k but got one for a good deal.

 

[BonzaiDuck]

Im currently have i7 2600k running on p8z68 mobo. Is it worth to upgrade?

Not yet, unless you just want to spend money. Same mobo as mine; same processor. I'm actually spending a little money and more effort to make it "better."

It still rocks.