Question about shifting

bdude

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Feb 9, 2004
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For example, when going from 2nd to 3rd gear

I press the clutch down, move the stick to third

My question is:

As I slowly release the clutch (but not too slowly), is it ok to press the gas? Or do I wait after the clutch has fully engaged?
 

Demo24

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Aug 5, 2004
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no need to burn the clutch in that shift. In most cars I only slip the clutch to get started, after that I try to get off it reasonably quickly. If your letting the revs fall to the point where you need to slip the clutch some to avoid a jerk, then you are shifting too slowly.
 

alimoalem

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Sep 22, 2005
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you could try shifting faster, but not so fast that you're going to start grinding when you shift. from what you're saying, you're asking if rev-matching is okay, which it is. do you know ~how long it takes for you to release the clutch (so after you've put the lever in 3rd, how much later is the clutch fully released?)
 

DivideBYZero

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It's a combination. I'm going to assume you're new to stick. You need to get used to applying enough throttle so that the engine speed matches as you bring the clutch in. This really only comes with practice and to begin with you will probably apply a little too much, but don't worry about it unless you are slipping the clutch for too long each change.

Let me put it another way. I've been driving manual transmission cars almost exclusively for ~18 years. I still apply a few too many revs from time to time. This is partly due to my car having two throttle settings (E46 M3 sport button) and therefore the amount of throttle input changes between modes and partly because I'm human, not a machine.
 

Billb2

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Mar 25, 2005
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When letting out the clutch, having the throttle somewhere in between full on and full off is the correct procedure.
You, sir, are erring at one extreme of the throttle continuum. I wouldn't advise experimenting with the other end as it can be rather violent.

What you're seeking is the least violence, smoothest, least jerkey alternative.

Stick with it, you'll be a pro in no time. Then you can graduate to shifting without even using the clutch.
 

Howard

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I use a little bit of gas every time I re-engage the clutch after a shift. Seems to make it a bit smoother.
 

Eos

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I've got nearly a million miles of multi speed manual experience, yet it's been 3 years since I've driven stick. I keep telling myself I won't have forgotten how to clutchless shift a semi if the need arises.

One thing about lower gear shifting, there is going to be more engine related slowdown in 2nd than 4th. If you let off the throttle to shift to 2rd and don't have some amount of throttle, you'll get that bucking movement. This is less of a concern going into 4th.

Hang out in a parking lot for a while trying to smooth out the shifts.
 

thomsbrain

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Leaving a small amount of gas on when you push the clutch down to prepare for the shift can help smooth that transition as well. If you let off completely, you'll get one jerk from the throttle cut-off, another jerk from the clutch engagement, a third jerk when you let off the cltuch with the new gear, and a fourth jerk when you get back on the gas. That's a whole lotta jerking.

You'll prolong clutch life if you do your best to keep the engine torque fairly neutral to the car movement (neither slowing nor accelerating). So a little gas helps smooth the process because it helps the engine want to stay at the proper revs by itself, so the clutch doesn't have to do the work of spinning it up or slowing it down. After you are fully off the clutch, then you can start to feed in more throttle and let the car accelerate. But you shouldn't be doing any hard acceleration while slipping the clutch except for the first few feet of first gear.

The only exception is when you want maximum speed at all costs. Then you leave the throttle pinned to the floor the entire time, dumping the clutch on each shift and letting the clutch yank the revs down each time, which is brutal on the entire drivetrain but gives you an extra oomph on each shift. Mazda encouraged car mags to shift this way in the Mazdaspeed 3 during testing to avoid losing turbo boost between shifts and make their stats look really good. But you would never want to do this to your own car.
 
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